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Indiana University Athletics Thread 2017-2018

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  • Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2017-2018

    Really we need to get the trenches sorted out, I'll give us a pass on offensive line with our RT out and OSU's D-Line supposedly being absurdly good... But our defensive line can't get gashed so easily.

    Really like our WR's though.

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    • Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2017-2018

      Originally posted by Heisenberg View Post
      the success started with Phil Knight wanting to make his school a billboard and pouring money into it. Oregon football wasn't some sorta organic get an undercover great coach and build on that and the donors will come. it'd be like Cuban saying **** it let's make IU football great or, I don't know, the Redenbacher family or NASA or something going all in on Purdue.
      Cuban hates the NCAA so he will never pour tens of millions into IU athletics. We were lucky he donated $5 million to build the sports media and technology center in Assembly Hall. Facilities aren't even an issue anymore at IU. It is personnel.

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      • Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2017-2018

        Looks like we might have hired the wrong coach. We hired a coordinator with Wilson and that didn't really work out so we went with another neophyte coordinator. What is the definition of insanity?

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        • Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2017-2018

          Originally posted by hoosierguy View Post
          Looks like we might have hired the wrong coach. We hired a coordinator with Wilson and that didn't really work out so we went with another neophyte coordinator. What is the definition of insanity?
          Disagree here.

          1. There ain't no Urban Meyer walking through that door.

          2. Tom Allen did more with the IU defense in 1 season than any HC/DC has since I've watched the program. He can coach.

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          • Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2017-2018

            Guys, it's been one game vs the #2 ranked team in the nation when we were 20 point underdogs, and we're already talking about hiring the wrong coach.

            Give the guy at least a ****ing season first. I mean damn....

            It wasn't like we just got outplayed the entire game. We were dead even with OSU for 3 quarters, then they dominated in the fourth. Yeah it looked promising and you hate to see it turn south so fast, but OSU has and will do things like that to teams a lot better than IU. If Allen can rip off 7-8 wins this year, then no one will care what happened vs OSU.

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            • Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2017-2018

              Originally posted by hoosierguy View Post
              Looks like we might have hired the wrong coach. We hired a coordinator with Wilson and that didn't really work out so we went with another neophyte coordinator. What is the definition of insanity?
              You're overreacting to two things:

              1) Our performance against the best team we'll face all year, that has multiple NFL players on its d-line and could win the national title.


              2) Purdue's performance against a team that looked woefully unprepared and undisciplined.


              Hiring Allen made perfect sense. The improvement in our defense last year was astounding. SEC schools were reportedly interested in pursuing him as their DC. Glass made a very proactive move in locking him up and moving on from a coach who had likely plateaued here. His recruiting ties to Indiana and defensive background are what we needed with 4 of our last 5 coaches being offensive coordinators.


              Maybe he'll be successful here, maybe not. As far as Brohm? I'd like to see how good his team looks when the opponent doesn't commit nine false starts and fumble on the goal line twice.

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              • Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2017-2018

                Originally posted by BlueCollarColts View Post
                Guys, it's been one game vs the #2 ranked team in the nation when we were 20 point underdogs, and we're already talking about hiring the wrong coach.

                Give the guy at least a ****ing season first. I mean damn....

                It wasn't like we just got outplayed the entire game. We were dead even with OSU for 3 quarters, then they dominated in the fourth. Yeah it looked promising and you hate to see it turn south so fast, but OSU has and will do things like that to teams a lot better than IU. If Allen can rip off 7-8 wins this year, then no one will care what happened vs OSU.
                Agreed. However, I think another 6-win campaign and lower-echelon bowl is a more realistic goal. If we had an O-line and RB on par with Wilson's best seasons, then I think we'd be talking taking a step forward from that baseline. In their absence we need to work hard to maintain. Don't need to backslide out of the bowl picture.
                I'd rather die standing up than live on my knees.

                -Emiliano Zapata

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                • Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2017-2018

                  Originally posted by LuckSwagger View Post
                  You're overreacting to two things:

                  1) Our performance against the best team we'll face all year, that has multiple NFL players on its d-line and could win the national title.


                  2) Purdue's performance against a team that looked woefully unprepared and undisciplined.


                  Hiring Allen made perfect sense. The improvement in our defense last year was astounding. SEC schools were reportedly interested in pursuing him as their DC. Glass made a very proactive move in locking him up and moving on from a coach who had likely plateaued here. His recruiting ties to Indiana and defensive background are what we needed with 4 of our last 5 coaches being offensive coordinators.


                  Maybe he'll be successful here, maybe not. As far as Brohm? I'd like to see how good his team looks when the opponent doesn't commit nine false starts and fumble on the goal line twice.
                  You're right. Never post in the heat of the moment. Louisville was incredibly undisciplined and sloppy and still dominated at the end of the game when they needed to. O$U is a far better team.

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                  • Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2017-2018

                    Originally posted by hoosierguy View Post
                    Looks like we might have hired the wrong coach. We hired a coordinator with Wilson and that didn't really work out so we went with another neophyte coordinator. What is the definition of insanity?


                    Didn't Kevin Wilson kind of work out though? Sure the guy is an insufferable prick by all accounts, but he upgraded the talent, sent some guys to the NFL, beat Purdue four straight times, and got us competing for bowls each year. Low bar, sure, but that is the bar at IU football.

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                    • Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2017-2018

                      Originally posted by cdash View Post
                      Didn't Kevin Wilson kind of work out though? Sure the guy is an insufferable prick by all accounts, but he upgraded the talent, sent some guys to the NFL, beat Purdue four straight times, and got us competing for bowls each year. Low bar, sure, but that is the bar at IU football.
                      Kinda... But the only reason it looked like he was going to work out was Tom Allen. Otherwise it was more of the same.

                      Also: you can totally blame Kevin Wilson for this team having no better option than Richard Lagow for two consecutive seasons. It's not like anyone expected him to draw a 5-star QB to IU, but after Lewis/Chappell/Sudfeld/etc. you have the bar set way higher than Lagow.

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                      • Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2017-2018

                        I'd be fine with getting some more Ramsey sprinkled into the offense, I like his mobility a lot. Supposedly he looked pretty good this spring/fall as well.

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                        • Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2017-2018

                          Originally posted by D-BONE View Post
                          Agreed. However, I think another 6-win campaign and lower-echelon bowl is a more realistic goal. If we had an O-line and RB on par with Wilson's best seasons, then I think we'd be talking taking a step forward from that baseline. In their absence we need to work hard to maintain. Don't need to backslide out of the bowl picture.
                          And yeah I agree we need to get a running game sorted out.

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                          • Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2017-2018

                            Originally posted by hoosierguy View Post
                            Looks like we might have hired the wrong coach. We hired a coordinator with Wilson and that didn't really work out so we went with another neophyte coordinator. What is the definition of insanity?
                            My impression after meeting Tom Allen is that he's got a great attitude and mindset to be the IU football HC. He's a guy that the players will respect and want to play hard for. And what he did with that IU defense in one season tells me he's more than just talking a good game when it comes to football.
                            I'm all for giving him more than 1 game to decide he's the wrong guy. He should at least got a couple of weeks!
                            No seriously, regardless of how this season ultimately pans out, he deserves a real chance.
                            Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

                            ------

                            "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, thatís teamwork."

                            -John Wooden

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                            • Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2017-2018

                              Originally posted by cdash View Post
                              Didn't Kevin Wilson kind of work out though? Sure the guy is an insufferable prick by all accounts, but he upgraded the talent, sent some guys to the NFL, beat Purdue four straight times, and got us competing for bowls each year. Low bar, sure, but that is the bar at IU football.
                              His coaching cost us bowl appearances in 2012 and 2013. He did upgrade the roster but we still woefully underachieved. Apparently he intentionally did not bother paying attention to the defensive side of the ball. It wasn't incompetence, it was dereliction of duty. That cost us a lot of games.

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                              • Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2017-2018

                                Let's see what goes down against UVA. Ultimately what killed us against OSU was that we weren't able to keep up with their high athletes once our best defenders got tired. Depth is our biggest issue. I thought Lagow was fine personally, but the o-line and running game are in a down year for sure.


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