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Indiana University Athletics Thread 2017-2018

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  • Sollozzo
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    That game was our season in a nutshell. Disappointing game. Disappointing season.


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  • hoosierguy
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    Bye bye NCAA tournament. Make that a three year absence. Itís sickening how far this program has fallen. A joke.

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  • Bball
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    The Indystar has an article about Romeo's falling draft stock. I had the link called up but accidentally closed it before I copied it.
    The gist of it is, he's fallen out of the preseason top 5 NBA pick area into the teens on some mocks.

    Blame went to both player and coach, with issues being Romeo's poor shooting from outside and lack of being a Type A personality and not leading/communicating more (defense was mentioned here as well).
    I didn't see or don't recall anything specific about how coaching is hurting him other than just the claim it was.

    Some are now legitimately saying he could use an extra year to shore up and improve his draft stock.

    The recent IU tailspin has hurt. The remaining games could help it said... but that should be obvious.

    So basically, it's saying his stock has fallen to a point it's no longer a foregone conclusion he won't return next year. Not that it's likely he'll return, just that he's on a trajectory that he could get some advice that he'd be better off working on his game and trying to restore his draft stock if things don't change these last few games. A former UofL player that stayed for 2 years and fixed his outside shot was given as an example.

    But IMO.... Another way to look at it is if he's played his stock down from top 5 to top 15, even though that is a few million dollars in difference, is it worth the gamble he won't drop from 15 to 29th with another year?
    The more you play... the more the scouting book is written on you.

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  • Bball
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    Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
    Did anyone else get some JBJ getting hurt vibes wtih the way the team played, paced and spaced once MOrgan went out? I know Romeo has taken much of the criticism since being a one and done he is an easy target for that, but man...
    One thing I've wondered about is Archie rewarding players that stayed and worked hard after Crean's firing. Obviously, Morgan has worked hard and Archie has built a lot around him.

    But dovetailed with that, somewhere in this thread (I think it was here) I asked if Miller had a clean slate, all his own players, everything by his plans, would Morgan even be a player he'd pick for the team in the first place?
    I'm not knocking Morgan when I say that, I'm just wondering if Miller is morphing what he'd prefer to do with what having Morgan requires him to do?

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  • Trader Joe
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    Originally posted by clownskull View Post

    Well, i think we'll get a better idea when iowa comrs to town. Morgan is one of the few guys who can bring us anything on the interior. Now davis did pick it up in his absence but, i don't know if he & the rest of the guys can do it full time.
    Post play in college basketball is overrated and often bogs down your play. You just need to be able to rebound well and defend dribble penetration.

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  • clownskull
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    Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
    Did anyone else get some JBJ getting hurt vibes wtih the way the team played, paced and spaced once MOrgan went out? I know Romeo has taken much of the criticism since being a one and done he is an easy target for that, but man...
    Well, i think we'll get a better idea when iowa comrs to town. Morgan is one of the few guys who can bring us anything on the interior. Now davis did pick it up in his absence but, i don't know if he & the rest of the guys can do it full time.

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  • Trader Joe
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    Did anyone else get some JBJ getting hurt vibes wtih the way the team played, paced and spaced once MOrgan went out? I know Romeo has taken much of the criticism since being a one and done he is an easy target for that, but man...

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  • Bball
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    It's amazing how much better the offense looks when they can hit a few threes.

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  • hoosierguy
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    That was one of the most unexpected outcomes I have ever seen in sports. That is why they play games I suppose. Huge win. I hope Keion Brooks was watching.

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  • Shade
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    Even when we have a really good team, we never win at Michigan State. So now we win there when they're #6 and we're coming off of a 7-game losing streak?

    Sports, man.

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  • Sollozzo
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    Wow.

    You never know until the game is played.

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  • Bball
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    Ok... I'm definitely thinking that piece is onto something. Why would IU go to Langford down the stretch like that. He's not a 'give him the ball and let him go to work' player.
    It worked out the play before in regulation, barely, and it was an abysmal failure on the final possession.

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  • Bball
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    The above piece makes a lot of sense from the outside looking in. Thinking back, I remember being surprised the final play in the Butler game was drawn up for Romeo since he'd really done nothing special in the game.

    This team is not playing like an Archie Miller team. Maybe this piece is onto something, or part of it anyway?

    I don't think it can be discounted how the depleted bench has to hurt not only games, but practices. Maybe even a reason why Romeo's development has been rather disappointing from the standpoint of expectations of a one and doner who could've turned pro out of HS if the rules allowed it.

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  • Bball
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    Indiana Basketball: Is There a Locker Room Chasm on This Hoosier Team?

    February 1, 2019 Mike Schumann IUBB 1
    April 30, 2018.

    At the time it felt like a day that significantly changed the direction of the Indiana University basketball program. When Romeo Langford pump faked towards the Vanderbilt hat and then chose the cream and crimson IU trident, it is beyond debate that change occurred.

    Sitting here nine months later, it is the nature of what changed on that day that is still being examined ó and may be for years to come.
    ďIf you have one one-and-done your team is done.Ē
    Thatís what former Virginia Tech head coach and ESPN college basketball analyst Seth Greenberg said on his ďCourtsideĒ podcast yesterday with co-host Dan Dakich.

    From the outside looking in, it is clear that something is wrong with this team. Every conceivable angle has been examined to this point. Dakich summarized the issues as ďdisinterested, disorganized, unathletic, canít shoot and doesnít like each other.Ē

    Thatís a lot to digest, but itís that last point that hasnít been discussed enough with this team. Is there a chemistry issue in the locker room? Greenberg certainly thinks so.
    ďIt goes back to the Ben Simmons philosophy. Youíve got a guy that is a one-and-done, and his team is almost playing against him because they are tired of hearing about it.Ē
    You shouldnít read this incorrectly. This isnít a diva situation.

    Langford isnít the type of young man that wants everything to be about him. Nothing that he is outwardly doing is creating a chasm in this locker room ó but that doesnít mean it isnít happening. And it doesnít have to go so far as players not liking each other as Dakich suggested.

    No, this is more about the broader challenges of creating team chemistry in the one-and-done era, and specifically what happens when you have just one such player.

    Every player on this Indiana roster believes that they are an elite basketball talent ó and to varying degrees, they are. The veterans on the team have been waiting for their opportunity to shine. Their friends and family have been pumping them full of hype for years.

    In fact, the father of one player on this Indiana team took to Twitter to express his frustration (in a since deleted Tweet) that in essence, the offense was too focused on the superstars. Meanwhile, the inner-circle of the mega-star starts to grumble that the offense isnít focused enough on the soon-to-be lottery pick. Credit Ė IU Athletics
    We didnít see it coming in April, but now it makes more sense. In comes Mr. Five-Star NBA Draft Lottery stealing the spotlight ó that he doesnít even really want. Does it have an impact on the team? With the benefit of hindsight ó of course it does.

    It would be an incomplete analysis to not mention the other major variable impacting this team right now. The Hoosiers have played the majority of the season with their top five reserves injured. No team in the country could come out of that unscathed. Practices are unproductive, and player development cannot happen when players cannot play.

    The players coming off the bench right now for Indiana were never envisioned to play this season, and you can see why ó they are producing next to nothing during this seven game losing streak.

    But Greenberg has been watching less talented Archie Miller teams going back to his Dayton days. Those teams were known for their togetherness, and giving opponents a 40 minute dog fight. Now?
    ďI never thought that I would see an Archie Miller team this uninspired, this unorganized, this non-competitive, Greenberg said.Ē
    There is more to it than just injuries. And Archie Miller didnít forget how to coach. Something is clearly sucking the passion out of this team. From a harsh critic like Dakich all the way to a biased friend like radio voice Don Fischer, the one consistent criticism is a lack of passion.

    What could be causing a group of 18 to 22 year old elite athletes with an amazing opportunity in front of them to be giving it less than their all?

    Juwan Morgan came back to this team to to build his NBA resume. Now? Heís passing up late game shots to try to get the ball to Langford. Morgan should be the senior leader of this program, but the shadow evidently looms large.

    The challenges extend off the court to the optics of the situation as well. How many times have you seen or heard Archie Miller make an example of Langford? Send him to the bench for poor play?

    Again, this isnít really about Miller or Langford ó itís about the realities of college basketball right now. If Miller goes overboard with Langford, the next one-and-done five-star, and his family, will be taking notes.

    Greenberg put it this way ó
    ďYou donít have everyone on the same page, because the one guy that is the one-and-done has a different set of rules in a lot of ways than everyone else. It happened with Markelle Fultz, it happened with Ben Simmons, and now we are seeing it happen with Romeo Langford.Ē
    Maybe we should have seen it coming. Of course there are the Fultz and Simmons examples, but weíve been down this road at Indiana.

    It got somewhat lost in the chaos of the Kelvin Sampson debacle, but there was a major chasm on the 2007-08 Indiana team that featured IUís last one-and-done megastar Eric Gordon. While much of the team was reportedly losing its way with drugs, Gordon was on an island just trying to steer clear of it all for a few months before the NBA Draft. Collectively, well, there was no collectively.

    While the long term outlook is certainly better than it was in 2008, donít expect some dramatic reversal of fortunes for Indiana here in February. At least not according to Greenberg ó
    ďYou canít fix something like that. When you have guys that donít like each other and donít play for each other, you can have all the team meetings you want. Those team meetings donít resolve anything.Ē
    WIth DeíRon Davis, Zach McRoberts, Devonte Green and Race Thompson all expected to play this month and six of the final nine games at home, Greenbergís theory will be tested.

    But if Greenberg is right, the story of this Indiana team has already been written ó and you just read it.

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  • Sollozzo
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    Originally posted by LuckSwagger View Post
    Another thing I'm getting sick of hearing is that the fanbase is a detriment to this program. The fans aren't the reason Mike Davis was hired, or that Kelvin Sampson broke rules, or that we had Tom Crean well past his expiration date. The fans are fed up with having a basketball program that's been criminally mismanaged for two decades.


    And no, recruits aren't going to think twice about coming here because of what some knucklehead said on Twitter. UK has a coach who's brought them a banner, four Final Fours and never has any trouble landing elite recruits, yet there were fans calling for him to be fired after they lost to Seton Hall. As bad as you may think the IU fanbase is, I guarantee UK is 1,000 times worse when it comes to fan behavior.
    I agree, we have some of the best sports fans on the planet. For 25 years, the program has underdelivered. We last won a title in 1987 and our consistent blue blood results ended in 1993. So you have to be 40 to have any clear memory of IU being an elite program. More like 45 to be old enough to have appreciated it. Iím in my early 30ís and all I know is disappointment. My earliest memories are of Knight being a past-his-prime bully who couldnít win tournament games. Itís all gone mostly downhill from there.

    Yet every year the fans come flocking back for Hoosier Hysteria with their IU merch and their kids. And almost every year the program underdelivers.....yet the fans always keep coming out. Itís amazing . Like Hoosierguy said, Lexington would be burned down if their program sucked for as long as IUís has.

    IU has so many loyal fans across the state who didnít even go to school at IU. The program has meant so much to the state for so many years and is ingrained in the culture here. So itís just really really sad to see whatís come of it.

    You can argue that IUís basketball and football programís combined are the biggest disappointment in the country given IUís status as a flagship state school. Itís embarrassing.
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