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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

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"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

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"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

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If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

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If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

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Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

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It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

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Indiana University Athletics Thread 2017-2018

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  • I can't remember seeing an iu squad that has gone from looking like a top 25 squad to looking like total dog%*ų% like this. Just a miserable season. Those wins against Marquette & Louisville are a distant memory.


    • Was anything more predictable than that MI 3 after IU's first real gasp of coming back?
      Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.


      "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, thatís teamwork."

      -John Wooden


      • Originally posted by clownskull View Post
        I feel bad for don fisher. Terrific broadcaster and has to call games for iu. Michigan is gonna start their managers in the 2nd half because that's all they'll need.
        Fisher, some long time media members, the fans, and students are all so loyal to this program. The program consistently gives its fans so little to be happy about, yet people fanatically come back year after year. Itís impressive, because 25 years of mostly disappointment is a long long time. I do feel sorry for the little kids who are getting suckered into a lifetime of disappointment.

        All IU fans really want at this point is some consistent Big 10 success and some nice NCAA tournament runs every once in a while. It really isnít too much to ask for, yet it seems impossible for this program to achieve. No one expects to be Duke at this point.


        • We all knew IU was overmatched, but guys who play pick up games at the HPER probably wouldnít have started 17-0 tonight. Thatís just inexcusable at home. Every freaking game itís a big deficit to start.


          • Normally I can kind of point to something to try and fix it... At least from the outside looking in. I might be wrong, but something I'd like to see the team try.
            But I got nothing. If they can't shoot from outside, at all, their inside offense is going to struggle if a team has any kind of defense and smarts at all.

            Are there shooters on the bench that we're unaware of? Anyone who can shoot the ball and realistically play defense well enough not to be a liability, or that can be hidden on defense a bit?

            Davis is injured and not all the way back and in playing shape anyway. And he's no 3 point threat so he's not going to help that. He might help rotationally though or to take some fouls (or give them actually) and stop some layup drills from happening.

            The one thought I did have was changing Green's role... Try taking the ball out of his hands and planting him at the 3 point line for kick backs or running him off of screens for some timely 3's. But he's gone/suspended. And that was just a spaghetti on the wall idea... not something I'd be confident in at late January.

            I really have nothing.

            I find it hard to believe it's all entirely an on the court problem and not something else behind the scenes too... But still... Not being able to be any kind of consistent threat from outside hurts badly.

            Start Durham... telll Phinnesy to look for his own shot more behind the arc... Maybe....

            I'm just not sure how you turn it around. The mojo is gone and the slow starts are killing them. And they have no outside offense so comebacks are extremely difficult. You can't really trade baskets when you're down 17 points. And if the other team can still manage some 3's in that stretch your comeback will be shortlived, even if your defense is getting a few stops...finally...
            Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.


            "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, thatís teamwork."

            -John Wooden


            • If you guys don't think Romeo is living up to the hype don't look up what Darius Garland wound up doing at Vanderbilt. His career lasted 5 games there.


              • It is comical really how poor IUís leadership has been. You have schools an hour or two away that are far more consistent and donít have the advantages IU has. It takes a special kind of ineptitude to allow one of the great programs to turn into THIS **** show. And there is no accountability. Nobody at the top gets fired. Nothing changes. Coaches are eventually replaced but the culture and ways of doing things remain the same. Until that changes, the program will continue to suck.


                • For the last 25 years, quite a few programs, both in our conference and all over the country, have upped the ante with coaching, recruits, facilities, etc. There are a hell of a lot of competitive basketball programs out there right now.

                  Meanwhile, IU has had far more go wrong than right in those years. So we are where we are.


                  • 13 of 75 from deep in the last four games.


                    • I'm sick of mcroberts starting & playing significant minutes. He might be a good guy etc. But he gives you absolutely nothing on offense and doesn't do enough everything else to justify playing much if at all. He might as well be a cheerleader or a manager.


                      • So glad I stopped watching this fiasco of a team. WTF is Miller doing with these guys? They've gotten consistently worse as the season has progressed. The outside shooting is a massive issue, but they're far from without talent overall. Romeo doesn't even look ready to play in the D League to me. Although if I were him, the NBA draft couldn't come fast enough to get me out of the quagmire that is Bloomington and the b-ball program.
                        I'd rather die standing up than live on my knees.

                        -Emiliano Zapata


                        • Originally posted by D-BONE View Post
                          So glad I stopped watching this fiasco of a team. WTF is Miller doing with these guys? They've gotten consistently worse as the season has progressed. The outside shooting is a massive issue, but they're far from without talent overall. Romeo doesn't even look ready to play in the D League to me. Although if I were him, the NBA draft couldn't come fast enough to get me out of the quagmire that is Bloomington and the b-ball program.
                          I don't know what his stock is like right now but, it can't be too good. It's been a while since he's had a good game. If i were a gm, i definitely wouldnt use a lottery pick on the guy. Where he fits after that... I've got no idea but, I'm not seeing a guy who looks remotely ready.


                          • Originally posted by D-BONE View Post
                            So glad I stopped watching this fiasco of a team. WTF is Miller doing with these guys? They've gotten consistently worse as the season has progressed. The outside shooting is a massive issue, but they're far from without talent overall. Romeo doesn't even look ready to play in the D League to me. Although if I were him, the NBA draft couldn't come fast enough to get me out of the quagmire that is Bloomington and the b-ball program.
                            Yeah normally I would say someone like Langford could benefit greatly from another year.....but not if that another year is at this current IU program. All staying here will do is hurt. At least now he will still get some benefit of the doubt that a bad situation hurt him and thereís still potential. For him itís a combo of 1) not having a good shot, 2) being scouted by Big 10 scouts, 3) bad teammates, and 4) bad coaching apparently.

                            This is one of the lowest points Iíve felt as an IU fan. Nothing can really top the feeling of the Sampson stuff, but this is still pretty bad. When you think of all the hype when we got Romeo and even more importantly, how IU was winning close games which looked like would spill over into Big 10 play.

                            In the Sampson year, we knew what killed the team. This time itís so strange. It has to be more than basketball, it just has to.
                            Last edited by Sollozzo; 01-26-2019, 01:03 PM.


                            • Knee jerk question of the day:

                              Did IU make a mistake by firing Crean just one year after Indiana won the Big 10 outright with a 15-3 conference record? We also beat UK in the tournament that year.

                              Iím far from a Crean apologist and I liked the Archie hire. But right now, Archie is making Crean look like Coach K.


                              • Crean HAD to go. He was a bad ingame coach who had been exposed and his recruiting was headed south. The ONLY way he could win was stack the team so Indiana could out talent the other team. But that at best was just a recipe to lose in the tournament once the talent advantage was neutralized because Crean had little chance in outcoaching anyone of note.

                                Archie is better than Crean. Crean left the program in a pretty bad place. Of course if Crean was better he wouldn't have been fired and there would've been a better and more balanced team here last season. Injuries and still playing thru Crean's players are the problem this season.
                                Season 3 and 4 will be more telling for Archie as a coach.

                                Actually, a big part of the problem is Crean was kept too long once it was obvious he wasn't good enough to hang with upper echelon coaches. Once that happened, the recruiting took a hit. He couldn't coach bigs. He was in love with 3's. Indiana HS coaches were against him. He was inconsistent because he had to stack the team with talent to win. Couldn't do that consistently. And average talent stood no chance with poor coaching.

                                Archie didn't take over a program that was in great shape with players. He didn't take over situation where he was expected to further the existing system as a baseline. He was hired to install a new system and do things consistently. He basically has started from scratch in that regard.
                                Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.


                                "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, thatís teamwork."

                                -John Wooden