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Indiana University Athletics Thread 2017-2018

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  • This is just sad. Not much else to say.

    Iím not a Crean fan, but this is on Archie. Itís not like Archie inherited a program that was nuked in scandal. Hate to say it, but right now Archie is making Crean look like John Wooden. It will take a lot for Archie to simply reach some of the highs Crean reached (Who at least had some successful regular seasons).

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    • Something is broken. I don't know what... but there has to be some behind the scenes issue.
      Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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      "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, thatís teamwork."

      -John Wooden

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      • And of course leave it to IU to allow some no name to look like Steph Curry. Of course.

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        • Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
          And of course leave it to IU to allow some no name to look like Steph Curry. Of course.
          Somewhere between the 2nd and third three you'd think they'd figure out they'll need to guard him and not leave him uncovered. Maybe run him off the 3pt line instead of letting him just get hotter and scorch the nets.
          Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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          "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, thatís teamwork."

          -John Wooden

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          • Originally posted by Bball View Post
            Something is broken. I don't know what... but there has to be some behind the scenes issue.
            Yeah thereís no way this team can be THIS BAD purely because of basketball. There has to be something else. This isnít the same team that beat Marquette, Penn State, Louisville, and Butler. Right now, they donít look like they could even beat that 6-25 team we had in Creanís first year.

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            • Didn't even bother to listen on the radio. Of course while this is no 100% proof of no ncaa tourney, i am convinced they are DONE. They will probably not even make nit AGAIN. And there really isn't a legit reason for it. Michigan is gonna crush them friday.
              i figure they'll open it up with another weak start about 11-2 or so and it'll be up to about 38-14 at half and end it 83-57.
              they aren't gonna beat another ranked team again this season. Purdue will sweep them AGAIN. I wish this season were over already.

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              • Originally posted by Bball View Post
                Something is broken. I don't know what... but there has to be some behind the scenes issue.
                Yep, something is up with them. Don't know if they've quit or what but, they'll be lucky to finish over .500

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                • We had a big turnout at Northwestern. I gotta give it to our fan base for their continued fanatical support of this poor program. Some of the most loyal fans in sports.

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                  • If we forget the idea there's some lockerroom or other internal issue going on with the program, there's still a basketball issue to be concerned with-
                    The lack of outside shooting. Let's not forget, they had this problem last year too. And the poor FT shooting as well.

                    While the poor FT shooting is concerning, it doesn't seem to be impacting everyone. Romeo seems to be consistently OK from the line. Right now, it's not the biggest problem. IMO that is the 3 point shooting that is harming the offense. Or should I say, lack of? Indiana is relatively good inside. Morgan can be great. Smith, when he goes for the normal and not the highlight can be good. Romeo is a driver.
                    But if teams don't have to defend IU at the line with anything more than a token 3 point defense and can focus their energy packing it in on IU, then IU has a hard time overcoming that. Where has their 3 point shooting went? I don't recall thinking it would be a problem during the early games. In fact, I recall thinking they'd fixed that problem from last year.

                    People are passing up open 3's, too scared to take one I guess. I've seen people saying IU just needs to stop shooting 3's and I can understand where they are coming from, but in this modern era you have to at least be able to take and make enough to keep the other team's defense honest because odds are they CAN hit enough threes to be an advantage for them if you're not hitting at all.

                    Plus, with terrible 3 point shooting, passing up 3's, and now teams taking away the inside game, it makes it harder for IU to play defense. They seem constantly on defense after a miss instead of after a make. You need to be able to setup the defense and not constantly in transition.

                    I do half think not having Green available could possibly pay some dividends because it will force IU to try some different lineups and rotations. I'm not sure Green was ever a good fit and I've felt all along Green got his minutes because he was a player that stuck with the program after Crean left and he was getting 'rewarded' for that. Not sure if he'll be back, but his one handed passes and dribbling until he could find a defender won't be missed.
                    Of course, maybe there's not a good option behind Green. Maybe IU is still a year away from that. I really don't know too much about IU's bench in guard depth. With Davis' injuries, he's hurt frontline depth some... Not sure why Moore doesn't get a few 'moore' minutes. He seems to do OK in limited minutes and maybe that kind of spark and bench development is needed. Of course, I don't see him helping with 3 point shooting and this is a huge problem right now.
                    Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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                    "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, thatís teamwork."

                    -John Wooden

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                    • I will add this...
                      I don't think Archie is able to use Romeo like he planned to. Romeo's handles were pretty questionable in the first part of the season, and his outside shot has been lacking severely. I have a feeling Archie expected more with both of those things, and constant improvement for him as well, and particularly his shot simply hasn't arrived.

                      For a likely one and doner, he's not been the player I think most expected he'd quickly develop into. He's really just been a freshman that you think will be really good next year. Take away the HS hype and one and done talk and I don't know that you'd really be talking about him going pro after this season.
                      Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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                      "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, thatís teamwork."

                      -John Wooden

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                      • Originally posted by Bball View Post
                        I will add this...
                        I don't think Archie is able to use Romeo like he planned to. Romeo's handles were pretty questionable in the first part of the season, and his outside shot has been lacking severely. I have a feeling Archie expected more with both of those things, and constant improvement for him as well, and particularly his shot simply hasn't arrived.

                        For a likely one and doner, he's not been the player I think most expected he'd quickly develop into. He's really just been a freshman that you think will be really good next year. Take away the HS hype and one and done talk and I don't know that you'd really be talking about him going pro after this season.
                        Langford is being scouted by great Big 10 scouts and doesnít have a very good team around him. I do think another year would benefit him greatly.

                        Its just sad how all of this has turned out. Archie coming in and seizing Langford was a huge moment for the program. Its rather shocking that this is where weíve ended up. This could be a huge ding in us getting future mega Indiana recruits because itís very possible that the perception will be that Indiana wasted Langford.

                        I think Glass should have been fired yesterday for his abysmal handling of our laughing stock football program, but itís hard to fault him for Archie. It seems like most people felt it was a decent hire at the time given how IU has plummeted in prestige as a program. If we got rid of him, the next coach would probably go down the same sordid road. The program just breeds mediocrity.

                        It is sad to wonder where this program could be if Sampson didnít screw up 11 years ago. That guy could flat out coach. I was a student at IU at the time and there was such a shared feeling that we were headed back to elite status. Back then, we werenít too far removed from the 2002 run, and the glory years werenít quite the ancient history that they are now. But then it all fell apart and the subsequent years have been mostly sadness. After 11 more years of this, the mediocrity and falling short has just become what the program is.

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                        • Far as Romeo maybe not working out as expected and it effecting recruits in the future, not like Swanigan did a whole lot for Purdue. it's not the same, I know, but we got our first Mr. Basketball since Big Dog (serously!) who de-committed from MIchigan State for us, legitimately picked us over Kentucky, that was a BIG get y'know. he had a pretty awesome 2 years, put up great numbers, was the focal point of the offense. went from 400lbs to a svelte 260ish and turned into a 1st round pick.

                          we went right back to mostly really being in the mix for kids in the 50-100 range, missing fairly often, and getting guys in the 120s as a fallback. every kid's different is what I'm saying I guess.

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                          • We are down 17-0 lol

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                            • I feel bad for don fisher. Terrific broadcaster and has to call games for iu. Michigan is gonna start their managers in the 2nd half because that's all they'll need.

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                              • This squad has simply fallen apart. They won't even make nit AGAIN. They will be fortunate to beat Rutgers next game... Seriously.

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