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Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

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We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

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Indiana University Athletics Thread 2017-2018

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  • And from 31-9 to a tie game. Maybe the Hoosiers do care afterall.

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    • And just when they get you believing they might win, they remind you it's still iu football.

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      • you guys gotta go crazy with the next football hire. get a guy that just straight up doesn't believe in running the ball and never plays less than 6 DBs or something.

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        • Not even hyperbole - IU football has to be the worst overall program in college sports, right? You take into account size of the flagship school, great campus life, athletic budget, IUís success in other sports, good football conference, a state filled with plenty of talent, etc etc....yet still an eternal humiliation
          Last edited by Sollozzo; 10-27-2018, 09:57 AM.

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          • IU football has more seasons of 2 or less wins than they do over .500 seasons. good thing the Big Ten's the Big Ten and not the Big East cuz if UConn couldn't find a Power 5 home...

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            • At least with Wilson we made two straight bowl games. Taking IU to consecutive bowl games would be like making consecutive playoff games at an average football school.

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              • I quit watching after the Iowa game. It's completely pointless.


                This thread went over a month without any posts...that says all you need to know about our football "program."

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                • Wish we still had Wilson, eve if he was a dick. Allen does not look like HC material to me. They lost some guys on D, but there's too much regression even given that. The ineptitude is unparalleled. Look at the last two weeks - one against a team clearly superior and one against a fellow cellar dweller.

                  In each case, the opponent, due to their own crappy play, basically served us a win on a silver platter. But, per the script, we are so pitiful we can't make one play when we need it to take the charity. One timely play in each game and we'd have six wins. And, yes, we'd be the worst 6 win team in college football. But we can't even get lucky or make a winning play. I think it's mostly on Allen. They may play hard, but they're sloppy and make dumb mistakes. Ditching DeBord wouldn't hurt either.

                  Looks a heck of a lot like a return to Bill Lynch ball.
                  I'd rather die standing up than live on my knees.

                  -Emiliano Zapata

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                  • Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
                    Not even hyperbole - IU football has to be the worst overall program in college sports, right? You take into account size of the flagship school, great campus life, athletic budget, IUís success in other sports, good football conference, a state filled with plenty of talent, etc etc....yet still an eternal humiliation
                    is it a chicken and egg thing? obviously IU basketball players are rock stars to the nth degree, but the football team's always bad so nobody cares. campus life is definitely high quality, but there's regular student campus life and then there's D1 money sport athlete campus life. been a good long while since I was a student now but IU football's still the same and when I'd visit IU or just talk to friends that went there just nobody gave a damn about the football players. but when you suck of course nobody's gonna give a damn.

                    all the structural ingredients are there to be like Purdue level generally mediocre at least, I mean Danny Hope was going to (crappy) bowls and Purdue was like alright you got 4 years get the hell outta here. does Glass just not give a **** about football? it's pretty hard to excuse a Power 5 program, especially one with the revenues IU has, paying their football coach less than $2mm a year. I'm not saying Allen deserves more than that, but if you have a coach that doesn't deserve more than that you have the wrong coach.

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                    • Originally posted by Heisenberg View Post

                      does Glass just not give a **** about football? it's pretty hard to excuse a Power 5 program, especially one with the revenues IU has, paying their football coach less than $2mm a year. I'm not saying Allen deserves more than that, but if you have a coach that doesn't deserve more than that you have the wrong coach.
                      I think the answer to all that is a resounding yes. I know there are those who will argue who can you get of any note to come coach a historically bad program in Bloomington. But, you could get someone better than Allen. And you could get some looks from at least some solid up and coming type candidates if you'd offer anything more than chump change.
                      I'd rather die standing up than live on my knees.

                      -Emiliano Zapata

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                      • Originally posted by Heisenberg View Post

                        is it a chicken and egg thing? obviously IU basketball players are rock stars to the nth degree, but the football team's always bad so nobody cares. campus life is definitely high quality, but there's regular student campus life and then there's D1 money sport athlete campus life. been a good long while since I was a student now but IU football's still the same and when I'd visit IU or just talk to friends that went there just nobody gave a damn about the football players. but when you suck of course nobody's gonna give a damn.

                        all the structural ingredients are there to be like Purdue level generally mediocre at least, I mean Danny Hope was going to (crappy) bowls and Purdue was like alright you got 4 years get the hell outta here. does Glass just not give a **** about football? it's pretty hard to excuse a Power 5 program, especially one with the revenues IU has, paying their football coach less than $2mm a year. I'm not saying Allen deserves more than that, but if you have a coach that doesn't deserve more than that you have the wrong coach.

                        Look at Kentucky too. Their football program will never in a million years be as popular as the basketball team, but they've built up a quality program there now. Seems like most of the bigtime flagship schools at least have some reasonable football success every now and then.........except IU. When we finally have a coach who takes us to consecutive bowl games (that's no small feat....taking IU to consecutive bowl games would be like taking Purdue to consecutive national championship games), we fire him just because he's allegedly an a-hole. Of course, a winning program like Ohio State had no trouble scooping Wilson up and making him an offensive coordinator. Then we don't even conduct a real coaching search and instead just promote our DC because he is an "Indiana Guy". Who cares about that corny "Indiana Guy" stuff.....we need a real football coach. I maintain that with the money IU can throw around, there would be plenty of decent candidates willing to give it a shot at a big school in an elite football conference. There would be another Kevin Wilson out there - a coordinator at an elite school who was ready to take the next step.

                        Last edited by Sollozzo; 10-28-2018, 10:03 PM.

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                        • IU beat Loyola in a scrimmage 70-48, apparently.

                          Romeo had 19/10

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                          • Everyone is hyping up Langford, but Phinisee is gonna be really good here.

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                            • Originally posted by BlueCollarColts View Post
                              Everyone is hyping up Langford, but Phinisee is gonna be really good here.
                              IU is going to be really good it appears.

                              They just look like a well-coached team. You can see what they're trying to do, and are doing. They are also balanced and deep. While it's still just Archie's second season, and many of these guy's first year of college ball, so there will be slip ups, I also think this year will be fun to watch.
                              Last edited by Bball; 11-10-2018, 02:04 AM.
                              Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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                              "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, thatís teamwork."

                              -John Wooden

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                              • I'm gonna go out on a limb and say we're pretty good.

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