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Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

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"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

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"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

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"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

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We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

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  • Re: What movie did you last watch?

    Originally posted by Harmonica
    I had to go and look at his oeuvre, which is considerable to say the least, but the ones that stand out for me are The Shootist, True Grit, The Searchers, The Sons of Katie Elder, Red River, Rio Bravo and The Quiet Man. But the one that towers above 'em all for me is The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance. That was probably one of my favorite movies growing up.
    I gotta go with the "Quiet Man" (Not not that Godda** colorized version), with the Shootist a close second, but I do love Liberty.
    Hey! What're you kicking me for? You want me to ask? All right, I'll ask! Ma'am, where do the high school girls hang out in this town?

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    • Re: What movie did you last watch?

      Originally posted by Mourning
      Another scene is one of the latest where Caviezel and two of his mates get chased by a larger then expected Japanese infantry formation. He sacrifices his life. Sounds corny, but it's brought into picture brilliantly. Then when he gets captured after a short time he realizes he's not going to be taking captive, but executed and you look into his eyes and you know what he's thinking/realizing, namely what it is to know/feel that you will breeth (sp?) your last breath and are going to die (a question Caviezel asks himself philosophically at the starting part of the movie). Again with great music coming up from the back.
      Great scene, and you're right, he's thinking about what it's going to be like to take his last breath and the last thing he will see before dying. Malick does this a couple of other times in the film as well. When the baby-faced kid ("I'm dying, Fife") looks up one last time and sees the light streaming through the leaves above. And when Woody Harrelson's character looks into the serenity of Witt's face before his last breath. Amazing stuff.

      Originally posted by Mourning
      By far the best musical score Hans Zimmer has made so far IMO.
      I bought it immediately after watching it this last time. Great, great score.

      Originally posted by Mourning
      Any favorite scenes Harmonica?
      The two men who are sent ahead on the ridge and are gunned down by snipers, giving the others a glimpse of the cold hard reality of war. Their reactions are devastating. I love how the two men disappear into the tall grass and the wind and the light of the sun sweep across the hillside where they fell as if they are being absorbed into the island.

      The almost completely buried, dead Japanese soldier whose face is poking out of the dirt speaking in a voiceover: "Are you righteous? Kind? Does your confidence lie in this? Are you loved by all? Know that I was, too. Do you imagine your suffering will be any less because you loved goodness and truth?"

      Then, of course, just some of the thoughts juxtaposed against the beautiful imagery. And the last line of the film:

      Private Edward P. Train: [narrating] Oh, my soul, let me be in you now. Look out through my eyes, look out at the things you've made. All things shining.

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      • Re: What movie did you last watch?

        Originally posted by Mourning
        "The Thin Red Line" is still one of my favorite warmovies. The view of paradise, the lines, the music ... really superbly combined. Must have seen it atleast 10 times by now, which is too much, offcourse, but in all honesty I think this is the sort of movie you have to see atleast two times to see almost all of the details and small angles.
        Oy!! You guys are going to love this:

        I ******* HATED that movie. I thought it was pretensious, self-indulgent navel gazing and the movie was unfocused to the point of actually enraging me. How do ya like that? LOL!

        I had to be talked out of walking out twice. And I NEVER walk out of movies. (Oddly enough, the only movies I almost walked out on were Drowning Mona and Titanic. I wish I had followed my first instinct on both of those.)

        I've met Ed Johnson-Ott (Reviewer for Nuvo magazine) on several occasions. He even let me write a review or two for Nuvo back in the day. Just out of curiousity, I looked up his review of the movie. Falls exactly in line with my view of it:

        http://www.rottentomatoes.com/click/...e=2&rid=168045

        I cannot express to you how irritatiing I thought this movie was. Started out good, then just turned into oh-so-pretty posturing Pheh!! What's the cliche? "That's three hours of my life I'll never get back?"
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        • Re: What movie did you last watch?

          Originally posted by Skaut_Ech
          Oy!! You guys are going to love this:

          I ******* HATED that movie. I thought it was pretensious, self-indulgent navel gazing and the movie was unfocused to the point of actually enraging me. How do ya like that? LOL!

          I had to be talked out of walking out twice. And I NEVER walk out of movies. (Oddly enough, the only movies I almost walked out on were Drowning Mona and Titanic. I wish I had followed my first instinct on both of those.)

          I've met Ed Johnson-Ott (Reviewer for Nuvo magazine) on several occasions. He even let me write a review or two for Nuvo back in the day. Just out of curiousity, I looked up his review of the movie. Falls exactly in line with my view of it:

          http://www.rottentomatoes.com/click/...e=2&rid=168045

          I cannot express to you how irritatiing I thought this movie was. Started out good, then just turned into oh-so-pretty posturing Pheh!! What's the cliche? "That's three hours of my life I'll never get back?"



          To each his own, right?

          Regards,

          Mourning
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          • Re: What movie did you last watch?

            Originally posted by Harmonica
            I bought it immediately after watching it this last time. Great, great score.
            Me too, had to order it from the UK, because the movie was just out here, while the Soundtrack came out sometime later (overhere).

            Track 2, 3 (March to the Line), 6 and 9, love them.

            Regards,

            Mourning
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            2011 PD ABA Fantasy Keeper League Champion, sports.ws

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            • Re: What movie did you last watch?

              Originally posted by Skaut_Ech
              Oy!! You guys are going to love this:

              I ******* HATED that movie. I thought it was pretensious, self-indulgent navel gazing and the movie was unfocused to the point of actually enraging me. How do ya like that? LOL!

              I had to be talked out of walking out twice. And I NEVER walk out of movies. (Oddly enough, the only movies I almost walked out on were Drowning Mona and Titanic. I wish I had followed my first instinct on both of those.)

              I've met Ed Johnson-Ott (Reviewer for Nuvo magazine) on several occasions. He even let me write a review or two for Nuvo back in the day. Just out of curiousity, I looked up his review of the movie. Falls exactly in line with my view of it:

              http://www.rottentomatoes.com/click/...e=2&rid=168045

              I cannot express to you how irritatiing I thought this movie was. Started out good, then just turned into oh-so-pretty posturing Pheh!! What's the cliche? "That's three hours of my life I'll never get back?"
              I bet you're a Saving Private Ryan man.

              Mick LaSalle from The San Francisco Chronicle chimes in:

              "The Thin Red Line," which opens today, is this year's second great film about World War II, the main event of the 20th century. Inevitably, moviegoers will split into "Saving Private Ryan" and "Thin Red Line" camps. I'd like to get my vote in now for the latter.

              ...

              The film's cumulative impact has little to do with story and everything to do with mood, so that viewers may feel impatient at times -- only to realize hours later that they've seen something extraordinary. In its tone and form, "The Thin Red Line" is unique and courageous. It may be counted as one of the year's few steps forward in cinema.

              http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...25/DD21833.DTL

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              • Re: What movie did you last watch?

                Originally posted by Skaut_Ech
                I ******* HATED that movie. I thought it was pretensious, self-indulgent navel gazing and the movie was unfocused to the point of actually enraging me. How do ya like that? LOL!
                Amen!

                It's the *only* movie I've ever almost walked out on. And I sat through Titantic and Hudson Hawk! I too found myself actually getting angry.

                Glad to see I wasn't alone.
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                • Re: What movie did you last watch?

                  Originally posted by Doug
                  Amen!

                  It's the *only* movie I've ever almost walked out on. And I sat through Titantic and Hudson Hawk! I too found myself actually getting angry.

                  Glad to see I wasn't alone.
                  Ok... I'm going to have to check The Thin Red Line out. It seems to be a polarizing flick.

                  Unlike The Fog of War, I'm pretty sure I don't already have this one in my 'library'.



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                  • Re: What movie did you last watch?

                    Originally posted by Doug
                    Amen!

                    It's the *only* movie I've ever almost walked out on. And I sat through Titantic and Hudson Hawk! I too found myself actually getting angry.

                    Glad to see I wasn't alone.
                    Oh thank god for you two. Worst movie experience I have ever, ever, ever had. I would rather pull off my toenails and cut my wrists with them then ever, ever, ever, ever even think about sitting through that movie ever again.



                    [edit] I actually went and saw this Superbowl Sunday afternoon. I wished afterward that I'd stayed home and watched the 8 hour pregame instead. If that doesn't give you an idea of how bad it is, I don't know what will.
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                    • Re: What movie did you last watch?

                      As for the Private Ryan comparison, I remember seeing that too. I'd never seen a crowded theater empty in complete silence. Me and my two buddies just went and sat in the car for about five minutes before one of them finally said, "Holy ****."
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                      • Re: What movie did you last watch?

                        I saw King Kong tonight. If you are even thinking you might want to go see it then do so. The visuals must be seen in the theater.

                        That being said, you have to remember that you are going to see King Kong. It was a b-movie then and its a b-movie now. It's not Traffic, The King and I, or any other deep movie. It's all about over the top action, emotionalism, and spectacular. There are a thousand little things you will see during the movie that stick out as being completely implausable, but then again you are watching a movie about a 30 foot tall ape that comes from an island also inhabited by dinosaurs. So all of those little things can be pushed aside.

                        Back to the good stuff. Again the visuals are incredible. From the depression era New York to the ship to the island and then back to New York is was amazing. It looked and felt like it was really that era and not a cleaned up version like we see on many t.v. shows.

                        The special effects are probably the best I have ever seen, or the best since Return of the King. Kong looks real and while its still not possible to make human/cgi interaction seamless, this is as close as I've seen it yet. I didn't feel that Kong was to human, but actually behaved like real gorillas do. he showed emotions and behaviors at that level.

                        Again, this is an old time action movie. You have the obvious "keep the stars alive" coincedences and unlikely events. But, in the end, I found the good far outweighed the silly. It was worth the money for the island part itself.

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                        • Re: What movie did you last watch?

                          Originally posted by Kegboy
                          Oh thank god for you two. Worst movie experience I have ever, ever, ever had. I would rather pull off my toenails and cut my wrists with them then ever, ever, ever, ever even think about sitting through that movie ever again.



                          [edit] I actually went and saw this Superbowl Sunday afternoon. I wished afterward that I'd stayed home and watched the 8 hour pregame instead. If that doesn't give you an idea of how bad it is, I don't know what will.
                          In your opinion. You just didn't see it with the right kind of eyes. No one I know would see Saving Private Ryan and go sit in the parking lot for five minutes before finally saying, "Holy ****." No one I know would allow themselves to be so easily manipulated by Speilberg's ham-fisted attempts at evoking emotions. He's like the Wizard of Oz pulling the levers with the curtains pulled back for all to see.

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                          • Re: What movie did you last watch?

                            Airplane!

                            One of my all-time favorites that just got rereleased on a special edition DVD. It was fun to watch it with the trivia option on, because I've seen that movie so many times yet there are still some things I didn't notice...
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                            • Re: What movie did you last watch?

                              Originally posted by Harmonica
                              In your opinion. You just didn't see it with the right kind of eyes. No one I know would see Saving Private Ryan and go sit in the parking lot for five minutes before finally saying, "Holy ****." No one I know would allow themselves to be so easily manipulated by Speilberg's ham-fisted attempts at evoking emotions. He's like the Wizard of Oz pulling the levers with the curtains pulled back for all to see.
                              In your opinion. You just didn't see it with the right kind of eyes. No one I know would see The Thin Red Line and then blabber about on a message board about how it how great a movie it was. No one I know would allow themselves to be so easily manipulated by Malick's ham-fisted attempts at evoking emotions. He's like the Wizard of Oz pulling the levers with the curtains pulled back for all to see.


                              :-)

                              I kid, I kid.

                              But seriously, I thought Malick's manipulations were *at least* as in your face as Spielberg's. Just becuase he's using pretty images and music doesn't make it less so.
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                              All that fiber optic gear / still cannot take away the fear / like an island song

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                              • Re: What movie did you last watch?

                                I had seen The Thin Red Line in the theatre 8 years ago. I remembered liking the movie, but my girlfriend at the time hated it. So I never really had anyone to discuss it with.

                                Anyway, after reading some posts, I bought the DVD last night and re-watched it. I enjoyed it much more the second time, as the first time I saw it I didn't appreciate the scenery and the score near enough. It's certainly a depressing film, or at least I would describe it as "haunting." But some of the scenes are just incredible IMO.

                                That scene on the hill where the sun comes out, lights everything up, and then all hell breaks loose is surreal. I also was chilled by the scene after they take the hill and charge the Japanese camp. The musical score is perfect there.

                                That said, I can still see how the movie falls into the love it or hate it category.....

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