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Whether your are a long standing forum member or whether you have just registered today, it's a good idea to read and review the rules below so that you have a very good idea of what to expect when you come to Pacers Digest.

A quick note to new members: Your posts will not immediately show up when you make them. An administrator has to approve at least your first post before the forum software will later upgrade your account to the status of a fully-registered member. This usually happens within a couple of hours or so after your post(s) is/are approved, so you may need to be a little patient at first.

Why do we do this? So that it's more difficult for spammers (be they human or robot) to post, and so users who are banned cannot immediately re-register and start dousing people with verbal flames.

Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.

Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

Rule #2

If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

An example:

If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:

http://www.linktothearticlegoeshere.com/article
Title of the Article
Author's Name
Indianapolis Star

Rule #6

We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.

The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.

Rule #7

Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

Rule #8

We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

Rule #9

Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.

Rule #10

We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.

Rule #11

Do not advertise anything without talking about it with the administrators first. This includes advertising with your signature, with your avatar, through private messaging, and/or by making a thread or post.
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  • Re: What movie did you last watch?

    Originally posted by Hicks
    I'm almost the exact opposite. Especially when I haven't seen it before. I love audience reactions to movies, though. But I like to get a bit of tunnel vision as I soak in a movie for the first time.
    Originally posted by Hicks
    I'm almost the exact opposite. Especially when I haven't seen it before. I love audience reactions to movies, though. But I like to get a bit of tunnel vision as I soak in a movie for the first time.
    I'm with you, Hicks. I forget about everything in the theatre and am locked in on the film. That's also why I hardly go to the theater anymore. It is impossible to watch a movie without someone talking through it, answering a phone, bringing their kids to a movie unappropriate for their age.....I love seeing movies in the theatre, but I hate going to the theatre. When I go, I tend to be by myself. Part of the reason I go by myself is that I really like to talk about a movie after I see it, but most people tend to treat it like their bucket of popcorn: "I'm done. That was good. What next ?" Conversation seems to last about 5 minutes. I like to marinate in a movie after it's done. BTW, I have a request. Instead of just posting what movie you saw, at least say if you liked it or not. Give us a little background on the movie, who you were with...whatever. I can't believe how many people post and all they write is a movie title. Give us a little something. If all you're going to do is write a movie title, why bother? What's the point of 5 posts in row that read like this?: "Rocky and Bullwinkle" "Dick Tracy" "Le Femme Nikita" "Ikiru" "Behind the Green Door" Okay...you saw a movie...and....what? Write something!!
    Hey! What're you kicking me for? You want me to ask? All right, I'll ask! Ma'am, where do the high school girls hang out in this town?

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    • Re: What movie did you last watch?

      Originally posted by Skaut_Ech
      Give us a little something. If all you're going to do is write a movie title, why bother? What's the point of 5 posts in row that read like this?: "Rocky and Bullwinkle" "Dick Tracy" "Le Femme Nikita" "Ikiru" "Behind the Green Door" Okay...you saw a movie...and....what? Write something!![/color]
      Maybe they think if anyone is interested in more that person will ask?

      BTW... back square on topic- Since basketball season is upon us I watched 'Hoosiers' again the other night. It's still one of my favorites. I worry that on one of these viewings Ollie is going to miss those important free throws though!


      -Bball
      Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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      "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, thatís teamwork."

      -John Wooden

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      • Re: What movie did you last watch?

        Originally posted by RWB
        What a sick perverted film. I liked it.
        I enjoyed it very much so.

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        • Re: What movie did you last watch?

          ROTS

          Actually held up on the second viewing, which surprised me a bit. Noticed some stuff I hadn't seen before, like they made it look like Padme was still pregnant at her funeral.
          Come to the Dark Side -- There's cookies!

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          • Re: What movie did you last watch?

            Revenge of the Sith. The good parts are still good, the awful parts are still awful.

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            • Re: What movie did you last watch?

              Went and watched Zoro on Friday (Hey I have a 12 year old daughter and a wife) It was not as bad as I thought it would be.

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              • Re: What movie did you last watch?

                Originally posted by Kegboy
                ROTS

                Noticed some stuff I hadn't seen before, like they made it look like Padme was still pregnant at her funeral.
                Why would they do that? Maybe they were just implying she'd put on some weight during the pregnancy. It's not like they could leave the scene open to interpretation since she HAD to have the babies to keep with the already locked in story.

                I didn't notice that but I still have the DVD... I'll have to look.

                Last night was the first time I watched it. IMHO it was clearly the best of the 3 prequels... altho that wouldn't be hard now would it? But I'd say it was MUCH better (hmmmmm...again... that wouldn't be hard either...)

                Anyway, I get the feeling there was 1 movie, maybe 2, in the prequel story and forcing it to spread out into 3 movies simply meant the leadup was mostly filler. The genesis of the whole thing seemed to revolve around ROTS and there wasn't much to flesh out in what essentially was a couple of chapters of material blown into the first two prequels. The meat of the story, and any real passion, was in ROTS.

                ...IMHO...
                .02

                -Bball
                Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

                ------

                "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, thatís teamwork."

                -John Wooden

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                • Re: What movie did you last watch?

                  Originally posted by Bball
                  Why would they do that?
                  So that everyone who didn't already know the truth would think the babies were dead, so no one would find them.

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                  • Re: What movie did you last watch?

                    Office Space.

                    Pretty funny. Saw it alone. With a comedy, I usually enjoy them more when I have someone else's laughter to feed off of. It did make me laugh though.

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                    • Re: What movie did you last watch?

                      Originally posted by Hicks
                      I usually enjoy them more when I have someone else's laughter to feed off of.
                      See, if you'd only watched it while everyone was reading the Citizen Kane debate, that wouldn't have been a problem.
                      Come to the Dark Side -- There's cookies!

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                      • Re: What movie did you last watch?

                        Predator

                        It was the first time I had seen it. It was okay, since it was was pretty much cookie-cutter straight forward action. I think I enoyed the attack on the camp more than any of the Predator attacks on humans...
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                        • Re: What movie did you last watch?

                          A damn shame you'd only see it now. If you'd seen it BEFORE all the rip-offs, I imagine the appreciation would be higher.

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                          • Re: What movie did you last watch?

                            Do we need to re-watch and talk about all the movies we watched between Nov 5th and now?

                            -Bball
                            Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

                            ------

                            "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, thatís teamwork."

                            -John Wooden

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                            • Re: What movie did you last watch?

                              Over the thanksgiving weekend....

                              I watched Batman Begins....Loved it, can't wait to see the next in the series.
                              And this one was more realistic I guess than the others(the older series). It was very good.

                              I watched Robots. Amazing graphics. It is just so cool what they can do with a computer these days. And the all star cast was very good too.

                              And...I watched Charlie and the choclate Factory. Definitely a Tim Burton twist on a movie. I liked it. Although it was very hard to hear/understand the ummpa lumpas when they sang. they could have done a better job with that. But overall I thought it was a pretty good movie.

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                              • Re: What movie did you last watch?

                                Pickpocket (1959). One of Bresson's masterpieces. This guy is becoming one of my favorite directors and I don't normally like French cinema.

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