The Rules of Pacers Digest

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Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.

Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

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If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

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If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:
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Anyone been to Rib Fest - Indianapolis, Labor Day weekend

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  • Anyone been to Rib Fest - Indianapolis, Labor Day weekend

    I have never been, but might be going this weekend. Concerned about price though. Mainly want to go to sample the ribs.

    I know if you get there before 1 admission is free. But otherwise how expensive is it. They have 10 different makers of ribs. I would like to try all of them or at least 7 or 8. But don't want to spend $30 to do it.

    Anyone ever been in the past 4 or 5 years

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    Re: Anyone been to Rib Fest - Indianapolis, Labor Day weekend

    I've been every year since back when it was held in the Murat parking lot.

    A few things.

    1. It is expensive. There is just no other way around it however what they will tell you is that you are paying for the entire event with admission. Remember they have musical acts all weekend long and while you probably could care less about the music it does draw a huge crowd when they have bigger name acts.

    2. Pig Foot, Sgt. Oink & Joey's Texas thunder BBQ are always good to eat but the best, at least in my opinion is our very own local Squealers.

    3. If it's your first time I would probably just by the three bone sampler from each place. It is more expensive this way but if you want to try them all or at least a majority of them then this is the way to start.

    4. If your there for the ribs or BBQ don't fall into the trap of buying other treats they have there. Beleive me fried oreo's and the fire roasted corn on the cob are out of this world but if you want to sampe the ribs go this route.

    5. Go early if you can, yes you will save on the entrance fee that way. But you are not going to be able to eat each place for under $30.00

    6. Wear lose fitting cloths.

    Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13


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      Re: Anyone been to Rib Fest - Indianapolis, Labor Day weekend

      Originally posted by Peck View Post
      6. Wear lose fitting cloths.

      The weather is supposed to be very nice Saturday and Sunday, a little warmer on Monday


      • #4
        Re: Anyone been to Rib Fest - Indianapolis, Labor Day weekend

        I love it, but it's rediculously expensive.


        • #5
          Re: Anyone been to Rib Fest - Indianapolis, Labor Day weekend

          Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post

          The weather is supposed to be very nice Saturday and Sunday, a little warmer on Monday
          To make room for all the food you are going to eat DUH!

          I have not found a good bbq palce in ages (granted I was spoiled with NC BBQ and some good ol GA bbq when I lived in Jacksonville). My favorite had to be this palce in Murfreesboro Tennessee, such big portions and AMAZING food


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            Re: Anyone been to Rib Fest - Indianapolis, Labor Day weekend

            oops, yeah i see, loose clothes so I can eat a lot


            • #7
              Re: Anyone been to Rib Fest - Indianapolis, Labor Day weekend

              Peck, I've been going since the Murat parking lot days, too. I finally quit going a few years ago. I would regularly embarrass myself. I'm a beast when it comes to BBQ. UB, I echo everything Peck said, including the comment about Squealers. Just my opinion, although I'm a "wet" ribs kinda guy, try to get the dry rub at different places when you can to get a better sense of how good the ribs are. You can always get a side of sauce.

              On a side note, I gotta say I'm REALLY disappointed in the musical lineup this year. Not even close to the diversity of years past. Where's Morris Day and the Time? The Motown Revue? There seems to be a real good, old boy musical flavor to the Ribfest this year.
              Last edited by Skaut_Ech; 09-01-2010, 05:58 PM.
              Hey! What're you kicking me for? You want me to ask? All right, I'll ask! Ma'am, where do the high school girls hang out in this town?


              • #8
                Re: Anyone been to Rib Fest - Indianapolis, Labor Day weekend

                I see one of the bands is Collective Soul this year. Take your earplugs. I like Collective Soul but, unless they've changed FOH engineers this summer, this guy is HORRIBLE. He brutalizes the band's sound and nobody in the big chair could think that it sounds good unless he has real problems with his ears. I rarely comment about the art of mixing and something that can be a subjective critique... But this guy has no business mixing live sound. He's that bad...

                I have no idea how he can possibly keep that job...
                Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.


                "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                -John Wooden


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                  Re: Anyone been to Rib Fest - Indianapolis, Labor Day weekend

                  Sgt. Oinks was a HUGE dissapointment this year. Ribs were burnt, little meat and stringy.

                  BTW, the cost of everything has gone up again this year except admission. 3 tickets for corn on the cob which was horrid btw. Day 1 was not as good this year as normal.

                  I hope to make it over a couple more times before the weekend is over.

                  Texas Thunder's ribs on the other hand were out of this world good. The line for squealers was so long that I could not find the end of it so I have to hit them up another day.

                  BTW, the older I get the older everybody my age gets the more pathetic it is for me to see them dressed as though it were 1987 again. Ugh, Bret Michaels was on stage and the 40+ year old females that were dressed as though he were going to choose them to hit the road with was emberassing or depressing I can't make up my mind which. Actually it was both.

                  Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13


                  • #10
                    Re: Anyone been to Rib Fest - Indianapolis, Labor Day weekend

                    My favorite BBQ place in Indy is Pa and Ma's, at 27th and Rader. I like it because it reminds me of a police standoff that happened near there while I was a cop-beat reporter circa 1983.

                    A guy comes into the neighborhood candy&cig shop demanding money, but the clerk hits the button and the cops respond before the robber gets out the door. So he's inside and within a few minutes the place is surrounded by police and reporters and people and it becomes a real Dog Day Afternoon situation though it was October.

                    The first officers who approach the door get fired at, so they back off. But then the guy inside won't answer any calls and the situation stays tense for several hours. Until long about 10:00pm the police storm the place to find nobody, and they figure out that the bad guy had escaped out the back in the first minutes of the siege, and that the shots had been the bullets from the gun going off in the stove where the bad guy had thrown it in order not to be caught committing armed robbery.

                    We ate Pa and Ma's that night waiting for something to happen, and ever after that was MY rib place even thought it wasn't exceptional in any other way.

                    The RibFest is kind of a funny event, isn't it? The food isn't the best, because, as Peck has pointed out, you can go to Squealers any day of the year. And the music isn't the best, unless there is an act that you really want to see under any conditions. I guess the best thing you can say for Indy RibFest is that it is the best rib fest in Indy.
                    And I won't be here to see the day
                    It all dries up and blows away
                    I'd hang around just to see
                    But they never had much use for me
                    In Levelland. (James McMurtry)


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                      Re: Anyone been to Rib Fest - Indianapolis, Labor Day weekend

                      I agree with the notion that Squealer's is excellent. good, so tasty.


                      • #12
                        Re: Anyone been to Rib Fest - Indianapolis, Labor Day weekend

                        I ended up not going. Choose not to spend the money at this time.

                        Maybe will just a full rack of ribs from Squealers instead.


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                          Re: Anyone been to Rib Fest - Indianapolis, Labor Day weekend

                          I ended up not going back. Combination of work and time.

                          However I will say this year I walk away dissapointed. The price has increased for the food to the point that is really almost to much even with the free entertainment.

                          Going to Squalers is a better idea anyway.

                          Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13


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                            Re: Anyone been to Rib Fest - Indianapolis, Labor Day weekend

                            Any of you BBQ fans dig GT Souths?


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                              Re: Anyone been to Rib Fest - Indianapolis, Labor Day weekend

                              Originally posted by travmil View Post
                              Any of you BBQ fans dig GT Souths?
                              Not as much as Squealers. Try the BBQ nachos. Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm .................