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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

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If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

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Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:

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The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.

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It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

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We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

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George Floyd Protests and Riots

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  • Originally posted by D-BONE View Post
    You state you don't like him. So Biden it is then, right? There is a second chance. Hillary was a trash compactor of a candidate but she wouldn't have had people calling for the SSB to be replaced. Same as the allegedly Muslim, Kenyan Obama - surprisingly not widespread unrest.
    I actually think this could open interesting dialogue. We will never know but in a alternate universe where HRC is POTUS does anything change?

    My opinion is we have the same anger, protests, and calls for change with anyone as POTUS. Perhaps the response from POTUS would be different (aka any kind of acknowledgement instead of ignoring the issue and basically staffers having to beg for the issued to be addressed publicly) but a lot of POC have felt the system was broken for quite some time

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    • Originally posted by D-BONE View Post
      It's hard to feel your voice is ignored for an entire month. BIPoC and their causes understand how that feels. They've spent centuries in that position.
      QFT

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      • 3 North Carolina police officers fired over racist rants

        At the 46-minute mark of the video, Piner and Gilmore began talking from their respective cars, at which time Piner criticized the department, saying its only concern was “kneeling down with the black folks.” About 30 minutes later, Piner received a phone call from Moore, according to the investigation, a segment in which Moore referred to a Black female as a “negro.” He also referred to the woman by using a racial slur. He repeated the use of the slur in describing a Black magistrate, and Moore used a gay slur to describe the magistrate as well.

        Later, according to the investigation, Piner told Moore that he feels a civil war is coming and that he is ready. Piner said he was going to buy a new assault rifle, and soon “we are just going to go out and start slaughtering them (expletive)” Blacks. “I can’t wait. God, I can’t wait.”

        https://www.charlotteobserver.com/ne...243779512.html



        Waiting to be told that systemic racism is not a thing



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        • Originally posted by vapacersfan View Post

          I actually think this could open interesting dialogue. We will never know but in a alternate universe where HRC is POTUS does anything change?

          My opinion is we have the same anger, protests, and calls for change with anyone as POTUS. Perhaps the response from POTUS would be different (aka any kind of acknowledgement instead of ignoring the issue and basically staffers having to beg for the issued to be addressed publicly) but a lot of POC have felt the system was broken for quite some time
          It's entirely possible. Perhaps even likely given how the frustration with the system has been building for a long time as you rightly state. However, the ham fisted response is only exacerbating and protracting the intensity. Same with the health situation. Two major crises that would provide massive challenges for any president. Unfortunately, also an opportunity to lead, but we have a total void in that area.
          I'd rather die standing up than live on my knees.

          -Emiliano Zapata

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          • philip lewis@Phil_Lewis_
            In what may be the first known case of its kind, a faulty facial recognition match led to a Black man’s arrest for a crime he did not commit. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/24/technology/facial-recognition-arrest.html …
            Wrongfully Accused by an Algorithm


            In what may be the first known case of its kind, a faulty facial recognition match led to a Michigan man’s arrest for a crime he did not commit.
            nytimes.com
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            3:26 PM - Jun 24, 2020

            On a Thursday afternoon in January, Robert Julian-Borchak Williams was in his office at an automotive supply company when he got a call from the Detroit Police Department telling him to come to the station to be arrested. He thought at first that it was a prank.



            An hour later, when he pulled into his driveway in a quiet subdivision in Farmington Hills, Mich., a police car pulled up behind, blocking him in. Two officers got out and handcuffed Mr. Williams on his front lawn, in front of his wife and two young daughters, who were distraught. The police wouldn’t say why he was being arrested, only showing him a piece of paper with his photo and the words “felony warrant” and “larceny.”


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            • Originally posted by vapacersfan View Post
              3 North Carolina police officers fired over racist rants

              At the 46-minute mark of the video, Piner and Gilmore began talking from their respective cars, at which time Piner criticized the department, saying its only concern was “kneeling down with the black folks.” About 30 minutes later, Piner received a phone call from Moore, according to the investigation, a segment in which Moore referred to a Black female as a “negro.” He also referred to the woman by using a racial slur. He repeated the use of the slur in describing a Black magistrate, and Moore used a gay slur to describe the magistrate as well.

              Later, according to the investigation, Piner told Moore that he feels a civil war is coming and that he is ready. Piner said he was going to buy a new assault rifle, and soon “we are just going to go out and start slaughtering them (expletive)” Blacks. “I can’t wait. God, I can’t wait.”

              https://www.charlotteobserver.com/ne...243779512.html



              Waiting to be told that systemic racism is not a thing


              I can't believe the blowback there was on Bubba Wallace, NASCAR, and the FBI over the no hate crime ruling. To me, the idea that they should have understood that it was just a door pull down and not made anything out of it is absurd. The visuals clearly show it's a noose. Should NASCAR have been more cautious in its initial statement? Of course. But to act as if the object itself was run of the mill and didn't warrant investigation? Nope.
              I'd rather die standing up than live on my knees.

              -Emiliano Zapata

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              • Areas with high poverty have high crime rates. Areas with poorer education have high crime. Areas hit by the crack epidemic are still affected today.

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                • An 18-Year-Old Said She Was Raped While In Police Custody. The Officers Say She Consented.

                  https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...ape-she-had-no

                  In Secretive Court Hearing, NYPD Cops Who Raped Brooklyn Teen in Custody Get No Jail Time

                  https://theintercept.com/2019/08/30/...ape-probation/

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                  • Originally posted by D-BONE View Post

                    I can't believe the blowback there was on Bubba Wallace, NASCAR, and the FBI over the no hate crime ruling. To me, the idea that they should have understood that it was just a door pull down and not made anything out of it is absurd. The visuals clearly show it's a noose. Should NASCAR have been more cautious in its initial statement? Of course. But to act as if the object itself was run of the mill and didn't warrant investigation? Nope.
                    It would be interesting to see who did that and why they did that. It is definitely not your run-of-the-mill knot. It could’ve been someone just being cute not even thinking about race. It could’ve been just someone playing around to see if they could do that. It’s really hard to tell.

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                    • Originally posted by vapacersfan View Post



                      Have you ever served in the Middle East or Afghanistan specifically?
                      couple stints with the 101st Fighting Keyboardists

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                      • Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post

                        It would be interesting to see who did that and why they did that. It is definitely not your run-of-the-mill knot. It could’ve been someone just being cute not even thinking about race. It could’ve been just someone playing around to see if they could do that. It’s really hard to tell.

                        It wouldn't surprise me that it was a mechanic or a group of mechanics that did it.
                        @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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                        • Can we all agree on one thing?

                          Can we all agree that the world would be a better place if we followed the Golden Rule and not the world we live in where he who has the gold makes the rule.

                          "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." That is the Christian and English version, however virtually every religion and language has a very similar saying.


                          Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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                          • Colts LB Darius Leonard -- 'Scary' to be threatened with police call while dining out

                            https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...all-dining-out

                            Indianapolis Colts linebacker Darius Leonard said it was "scary" to hear that police could get involved during a dispute that led to him being kicked out of a Chipotle restaurant this week.

                            "When you think about being a Black male now in America, and to hear that they want to involve the police -- the first thing that went in my mind was I have a wife and a kid," Leonard told ESPN's First Take on Friday. "If the police is involved, you're thinking you're not making it home. For me to have to sit there and think that my life is in jeopardy just because I'm sitting there eating with my family, not causing no problem, is scary."

                            Leonard, who addressed what happened in an Instagram video Thursday, said he was dining with family and friends, all of whom are non-white, at a Florence, South Carolina, Chipotle when a manager ordered them to leave, saying a white customer claimed they were being verbally abusive.

                            That allegation by the customer was a lie, Leonard said.

                            "That's what being Black in America is right now," Leonard said in the video. "Us not even doing anything wrong, going out to eat with your family, just trying to spend a little bit of quality time. You can't even enjoying eating anymore."

                            Leonard said the manager had a "terrible attitude" and made his party leave after threatening to call the police. He told First Take that the manager's demeanor changed after he found out the linebacker's identity, but that was disheartening as well.

                            "It sucks that you have to be someone in the public eye that they look up to to get treated equally," Leonard said. "Besides me playing football or anything, I am a human being. I want to be treated as everyone else."

                            Chipotle CEO and chairman Brian Niccol said in a statement to the Indianapolis Star that the manager has been suspended while the restaurant investigates the incident, adding that the chain has a "zero tolerance policy for discrimination of any kind."

                            "I've personally reached out to Darius and I'm committed to ensuring the appropriate action is taken once the investigation concludes," Niccol said.

                            The Colts also released a statement to show support for Leonard.

                            "Darius's experience demonstrates the struggle so many Black Americans and people of color face every day," the team said. "It also demonstrates why we need serious action from our government leaders, law enforcement, businesses, and everyday Americans to end systemic racism and injustice and to continue this important dialogue on how to inspire positive change in our country."








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                            • Originally posted by vapacersfan View Post
                              Waiting to be told that systemic racism is not a thing
                              If you go look at the actual statistic they show there is no widespread systemic racism by the police in this nation. That does not mean you will not find individual instances of racism by police, or an individual department that is racist. Finding such examples, though, are not evidence of systemic racism. It is just examples of individual racism. For racism to be systemic it has to be pervasive in the system. As of 2020, the statistic do not show any pervasive racism by the police.

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                              • I will even say there are a lot of rough instances with police over the years. Yet I have two things to say about that.

                                First, there are 880,000 police. Expecting a small number of minor issues is like expecting a small number of minor infraction in a city the size of Indianapolis. So when you see the next news story of a "bad apple", consider just how many bad apples are in Indy.

                                Second, their job is ridiculously stressful. They could die at any moment on the job. I cannot imagine how they can restrain themselves dealing with this culture on daily basis.

                                At bottom, I think we can do better. I don't think we can really do that much better, especially in the eyes and minds of people critical of the police. There will always be incidents due to the nature of the job and therefore, there will always be something to point at. And people will do that. And many people's minds will not change.

                                The alternative? CHAZ....er, I mean CHOP in Seattle. Funny they didn't really want responsibility so they changed their name. Didn't take long to find out those shoes are awfully big to fill..

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