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Whether your are a long standing forum member or whether you have just registered today, it's a good idea to read and review the rules below so that you have a very good idea of what to expect when you come to Pacers Digest.

A quick note to new members: Your posts will not immediately show up when you make them. An administrator has to approve at least your first post before the forum software will later upgrade your account to the status of a fully-registered member. This usually happens within a couple of hours or so after your post(s) is/are approved, so you may need to be a little patient at first.

Why do we do this? So that it's more difficult for spammers (be they human or robot) to post, and so users who are banned cannot immediately re-register and start dousing people with verbal flames.

Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.

Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

Rule #2

If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

An example:

If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:

http://www.linktothearticlegoeshere.com/article
Title of the Article
Author's Name
Indianapolis Star

Rule #6

We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.

The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.

Rule #7

Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

Rule #8

We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

Rule #9

Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.

Rule #10

We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.

Rule #11

Do not advertise anything without talking about it with the administrators first. This includes advertising with your signature, with your avatar, through private messaging, and/or by making a thread or post.
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  • One of Trump's personal valets has tested positive for coronavirus

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/07/polit...-19/index.html

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    • Originally posted by PacerDude View Post

      So, now with 330 million+ ……………….
      It does not sound as bad with 330 million but still do not like people dying

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      • Indy 500 could run as late as Oct.

        BY400 "we're going to do the Brickyard, we believe, one way or another. The two ways are essentially without fans or with. We believe that that July 4 weekend, unless we get bad news, a set of negative developments with Perspecta, the COVID analysis from a health perspective, we ought to be able to figure out how to make the Brickyard work with fans."
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        I think the Governor threw IMS a bone with removing crowd restrictions July 4th, but the other part of that "Social Distancing Guidelines" is going to make the logistics of that a bear to manage with those fans.
        And the Indy 500, I don't think that possibility even exists. It only exists for the BY400 because it's so poorly attended these days. But that still doesn't answer vendor lines, bathroom lines, policing seating distancing in the stands... etc. even for that.

        Oct buys more time for a medical miracle. But if the race can't be run with fans in Aug, conventional wisdom seems to be we're smack dab in the second wave of Covid-19 by Oct, and flu season as well (which just complicated the situation of not overwhelming the medical system while still trying to flatten the curve and run an economy).
        If they at all want to consider the option of running it without fans, that almost needs to be the Aug date. In Oct you risk stressing a potentially already stressed and worsening medical system with a Covid-19 second wave by adding injured drivers.
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        https://www.autoweek.com/racing/indy...te-as-october/
        Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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        "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

        -John Wooden

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        • Originally posted by Bball View Post

          So while Trump was telling us it was a democratic hoax, or that it would soon disappear, he should've been ramping up testing, nationwide and particularly at international hubs looking for cases?

          I agree, major failure on his part to ramp up the federal response as well as warn and mentally prepare all states and their citizens that this was fast approaching will a real concern of not being able to contain it.

          Glad you've brought this to our attention.
          That is where the CDCs decision to create a test that tested for multiple things and its failure really backfired. We would have been ramping up testing if that had succeeded, but the failure put us behind the ball on testing.

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          • Originally posted by Motion Offense View Post

            It does not sound as bad with 330 million but still do not like people dying
            Well, no - neither do I, but the way it was first stated - it was kind of misleading.

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            • Tomorrow is Day #14 for Georgia. I believe in another week we might be able to call it. At most two weeks. By that that time any extra cases acquired during the first couple weeks of opening up will have been reported.

              I am targeting May 20th for the date I draw a conclusion for Georgia and effectively a conclusion on whether broadly opening up should be done.

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              • By the way, if states prove to be successful opening up, Trump's poll numbers should rise. I bet the left is hoping for more deaths.

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                • Originally posted by Motion Offense View Post
                  Looks like we are on track to surpass the total deaths from 1918 flu in America sometime in either November or December
                  Curious how you figured that. Not saying you are wrong. The 1918 flu killed 675,000 Americans and while we do have 76,000 deaths we have a long way to go and Fauci said you are immune once you’ve had it. I suspect by now at least 1/3 of the nation (a much larger nation in 2020) has been exposed to it. Some may never have even tested positive after being exposed.

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                  • Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post

                    Curious how you figured that. Not saying you are wrong. The 1918 flu killed 675,000 Americans and while we do have 76,000 deaths we have a long way to go and Fauci said you are immune once you’ve had it. I suspect by now at least 1/3 of the nation (a much larger nation in 2020) has been exposed to it. Some may never have even tested positive after being exposed.
                    Dr. Fauci said you're immune if you've had it? That is new info to me and I've been following this closely, but been a bit busy this week and haven't watched as much news at night so could've missed it.
                    The last thing I saw he said he assumed there might be some immunity based on other coronaviruses, but couldn't say how long that immunity might last, or even say for certain there is truly immunity with this particular coronavirus. That was one of the unknown variables that only testing and time was going to answer.

                    As for exceeding that 675,000 death number... I'm not sure where that might've came from, but if you figure 300,000,000 US population, and infecting 1/4 of them, and a 1% death rate that would get you 750,000 deaths. So, I suppose there's some support for that type of number based on what we know now, and assume mitigation strategies are rolled back. Especially if you extrapolate that number out over a year or over the entire pandemic.

                    Honestly, it could be worse. But it's also possible that what we know now will be changed greatly with new data. Or new medical advances.

                    But if you want to look at recent history, 60,800,000 million Americans were infected with H1N1 during the 2009 pandemic. We ultimately had a vaccine for it. We had some immunity to it. And the biggie- It wasn't very fatal or even all that terrible as far as hospitalizations. So, unabated, there's no reason to think this coronavirus can't do the same as far as infected individuals (or more). At a 1% death rate, that's 608,000 deaths. Obviously 2% doubles that.
                    So that's another way to assume these huge numbers at least have some plausibility to them.
                    It's also why it's easy to understand the need in mitigation strategies because it's not like we have to stretch things far at all when we have an actual recent pandemic to look for, not just for worst case, but actual case.

                    We don't have to go back to 1918 when the culture, lifestyles, and medicine was so different from today, when we can plug in some current knowledge and presumptions about this coronavirus to a very recent pandemic.
                    Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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                    "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                    -John Wooden

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                    • Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post
                      By the way, if states prove to be successful opening up, Trump's poll numbers should rise. I bet the left is hoping for more deaths.
                      Right as I'm reading this, the morning national fake news is coming on, and the reporter can't hold back the glee in her voice as she reports on the record number of jobs lost.

                      They want more deaths. They want more jobs lost. They want a rapist in the White House (maybe they're nostalgic for Bill Clinton?). They want a war hero framed by the FBI.

                      How in the world can anyone argue the left is anything other than evil? They're no longer even trying to hide it.

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                      • A 1996 court document involving Tara Reade's ex-husband backs up her story. It did not go into detail but mentioned sexual harassment in Joe Biden's office in 1993.

                        In a court filing dated March 25, 1996, Dronen testified that he met Reade in the spring of 1993 while the two worked for separate members of Congress in Washington, D.C.

                        Dronen wrote that Reade told him she “eventually struck a deal with the chief of staff of the Senator’s office and left her position.”

                        It was obvious that this event had a very traumatic effect on (Reade), and that she is still sensitive and effected (sic) by it today,” Dronen wrot
                        e.

                        I said several pages ago it was a he-said, she-said. Now I actually believe the story. Biden may not remember it because of his condition, but he should given the fact there is no reason in 1996 for her ex to have written this without it being true.

                        https://www.sanluisobispo.com/news/p...242527331.html

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                        • Originally posted by Mr. Mass View Post

                          Right as I'm reading this, the morning national fake news is coming on, and the reporter can't hold back the glee in her voice as she reports on the record number of jobs lost.

                          They want more deaths. They want more jobs lost. They want another rapist in the White House (maybe they're nostalgic for Bill Clinton?). They want a war hero framed by the FBI.

                          How in the world can anyone argue the left is anything other than evil? They're no longer even trying to hide it.
                          There you go fixed it for you
                          @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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                          • Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post

                            There you go fixed it for you
                            I already mentioned Bill Clinton, so the "another" becomes redundant.

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                            • Originally posted by Mr. Mass View Post

                              I already mentioned Bill Clinton, so the "another" becomes redundant.
                              Sorry Sr but I'm not going to defend either rapist like some people do so yes Bill, Cheeto, Biden and every person that used to hangout with Epstein are rapists and should go to hell.
                              @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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