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Whether your are a long standing forum member or whether you have just registered today, it's a good idea to read and review the rules below so that you have a very good idea of what to expect when you come to Pacers Digest.

A quick note to new members: Your posts will not immediately show up when you make them. An administrator has to approve at least your first post before the forum software will later upgrade your account to the status of a fully-registered member. This usually happens within a couple of hours or so after your post(s) is/are approved, so you may need to be a little patient at first.

Why do we do this? So that it's more difficult for spammers (be they human or robot) to post, and so users who are banned cannot immediately re-register and start dousing people with verbal flames.

Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.

Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

Rule #2

If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

An example:

If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:

http://www.linktothearticlegoeshere.com/article
Title of the Article
Author's Name
Indianapolis Star

Rule #6

We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.

The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.

Rule #7

Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

Rule #8

We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

Rule #9

Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.

Rule #10

We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.

Rule #11

Do not advertise anything without talking about it with the administrators first. This includes advertising with your signature, with your avatar, through private messaging, and/or by making a thread or post.
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    • Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post

      True. A better point than I am about to post.

      I have heard it many times that wearing masks don't protect you. I've also read some thoughtful views that it provides a small measure of safety. I believe the minority view is correct.

      If you have a mask on your face you are less likely to have your fingers or anything traveling in the air enter your mouth and nose. If someone coughs on you, it will land on the mask rather than in your mouth or breathed in through the nose.

      But I understand why it's discouraged. For one it is only a small amount of protection. It's more important to wash your hands and the other steps because we all ultimately touch things including the mask and touch our faces. But still, I actually believe it's discouraged so we don't run out of them. Healthcare workers need them.
      The real reason masks are not seen as helpful is because your typical surgical mask is not designed to protect you from others, but to protect others from you. They do not have a seal around the edges, so when you breathe in the air rushes in from around the edges and isn't filtered at all. Since this virus spreads through the air, they provide essentially 0 protection. Now, if you had a N95 mask that would mostly protect you, but we want to reserve N95 masks for medical professionals who will be on the front lines of treating patients. It is more important to make sure our doctors and nurses stay healthy, then pretty much anyone else.

      Although, like I said surgical masks are designed to protect others from you. So if you are infected, by wearing these masks you significantly reduce the odds of you spreading it to others. These masks will capture most of the water droplets carrying the virus on their way out. So if everyone wore masks that would drastically reduce the spread of the disease. The problem with this though is having enough masks for everyone, and convincing people to wear the masks. Unlike in China were wearing masks is just a part of life (due to pollution) it is not here, so people will be less willing to do so.

      Also, to be frank, because the virus spreads through the air, while washing your hands does help by eliminating one possible way to spread the virus, it is probably one of the less effective ways to stop the spread. If you are just in the general vicinity of someone infected, they do not even need to cough or sneeze in your direction for you to catch the virus. They just need to breathe to be putting out virus particles that will slowly disseminate throughout the area. Spreading through the air and being transmissible without symptoms are the two biggest reasons it has been so difficult to keep the virus contained.

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      • Originally posted by Mr. Mass View Post
        Give it a full year and that flu virus death will look small. But so far 3000 cases and 61 deaths since February. End of March will probably be around 20000 to 30000 infected and 500-600 deaths

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        • Originally posted by Mr. Mass View Post
          Also worldwide COVID19 has half the deaths and less than 1% of the cases as H1N1 had in the US if we are comparing the 170k cases to the 60 million in the US.. The numbers won’t be comparable if COVID19 infected 60 million. Flu has treatment and a vaccine, COVID19 does not.

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          • Almost 1,000 new cases in less than a day. Double the case numbers in 4 days. Get ready because sometime this week all hell will break loose. Stay safe guys

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            • Originally posted by Eleazar View Post

              The real reason masks are not seen as helpful is because your typical surgical mask is not designed to protect you from others, but to protect others from you. They do not have a seal around the edges, so when you breathe in the air rushes in from around the edges and isn't filtered at all. Since this virus spreads through the air, they provide essentially 0 protection. Now, if you had a N95 mask that would mostly protect you, but we want to reserve N95 masks for medical professionals who will be on the front lines of treating patients. It is more important to make sure our doctors and nurses stay healthy, then pretty much anyone else.

              Although, like I said surgical masks are designed to protect others from you. So if you are infected, by wearing these masks you significantly reduce the odds of you spreading it to others. These masks will capture most of the water droplets carrying the virus on their way out. So if everyone wore masks that would drastically reduce the spread of the disease. The problem with this though is having enough masks for everyone, and convincing people to wear the masks. Unlike in China were wearing masks is just a part of life (due to pollution) it is not here, so people will be less willing to do so.

              Also, to be frank, because the virus spreads through the air, while washing your hands does help by eliminating one possible way to spread the virus, it is probably one of the less effective ways to stop the spread. If you are just in the general vicinity of someone infected, they do not even need to cough or sneeze in your direction for you to catch the virus. They just need to breathe to be putting out virus particles that will slowly disseminate throughout the area. Spreading through the air and being transmissible without symptoms are the two biggest reasons it has been so difficult to keep the virus contained.
              I don’t believe it is spread through the air but only through droplets. That is, it doesn’t suspend in the air and spread through a room. The biggest risk IMO is that it lands on surfaces and can be picked up for as long as 9 days if not cleaned.

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              • This week will be the most telling, IMO. It's a bad look from Trump admin that the Google site isn't at all what he pledged in his presser and that tests are still hard to come by. I feel for Fauci, tbh.

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                • Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post

                  I don’t believe it is spread through the air but only through droplets. That is, it doesn’t suspend in the air and spread through a room. The biggest risk IMO is that it lands on surfaces and can be picked up for as long as 9 days if not cleaned.
                  Ever thing I read is that is airborne just with breathing and in fact newly infected individuals are very contagious. They have done throat swabs that show 10 times more virus levels than influenza throat swabs.
                  You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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                  • About to hit 4000 cases sometime this morning if the rate continues and is going to be doubling every 3 days.

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                    • Originally posted by Eleazar View Post

                      They might be doing it for the wrong reason, but at least they are doing it. The more people wearing masks the fewer people spreading diseases unknowingly.
                      It actually doesn’t help (unless you have masks, surgical gloves, etc) the way folks think it does

                      https://time.com/5794729/coronavirus-face-masks/
                      Health Experts Are Telling Healthy People Not to Wear Face Masks for Coronavirus. So Why Are So Many Doing It?

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                      • Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post

                        True. A better point than I am about to post.

                        I have heard it many times that wearing masks don't protect you. I've also read some thoughtful views that it provides a small measure of safety. I believe the minority view is correct.

                        If you have a mask on your face you are less likely to have your fingers or anything traveling in the air enter your mouth and nose. If someone coughs on you, it will land on the mask rather than in your mouth or breathed in through the nose.

                        But I understand why it's discouraged. For one it is only a small amount of protection. It's more important to wash your hands and the other steps because we all ultimately touch things including the mask and touch our faces. But still, I actually believe it's discouraged so we don't run out of them. Healthcare workers need them.
                        You are spot on. It is discouraged because the shortage worldwide is hurting the medical communities with a lack of supplies.

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                        • https://www.romania-insider.com/anis...-closed-easter

                          In a press conference held on Monday, March 16, education minister Monica Anisie said classes will be suspended until there is no longer any danger for children, Mediafax reported.

                          The minister said teachers will be supported to deliver their classes online and, acknowledging that not all students have a computer or internet available, pointed to the partnership with the public television TVR for the educational program Telescoala.

                          Initial news: Schools will remain closed throughout the period the state of emergency is in place, education minister Monica Anisie told Hotnews.ro.

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                          • Still not enough tests or resources available...

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                            • Originally posted by vapacersfan View Post

                              It actually doesn’t help (unless you have masks, surgical gloves, etc) the way folks think it does

                              https://time.com/5794729/coronavirus-face-masks/
                              Health Experts Are Telling Healthy People Not to Wear Face Masks for Coronavirus. So Why Are So Many Doing It?
                              I do not know why, but he is lying. If you have the virus, a surgical mask will go a long way in preventing you from spreading the disease. No, it will not be 100% perfect, but it will help a lot. Considering that this virus may be highly contagious when there are no symptoms wearing masks will go a long way to preventing the spread when you are in public. There is a reason why surgical masks are worn in surgery. It is to catch the droplets from your mouth preventing them from falling into the patient. The primary way this thing spreads is through droplets, wearing a surgical mask will catch and contain most of those droplets.

                              It is criminal that a person in such power would suggest wearing a mask does not help to reduce the spread of the disease. There will be many people who die because of that statement.

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                              • Originally posted by Mr. Mass View Post
                                *Insert misleading info-graphic here*

                                0.02% death rate compared to 2.86% death rate (according to that post).

                                That comes out to be 143 times deadlier. Not exactly helping your point. Even with those numbers, the primary H1N1 outbreak in 2009- 2010 was about 5.5 times less deadly than the average seasonal flu.

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