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  • Originally posted by graphic-er View Post

    I actually think Holcomb has done a great job. He is a never Trumper governing a state that is very pro trump. H

    I listened to one statement about it all from the Libertarian candidate and he essentially doesn't have a position. "Let every Hoosier family decide for themselves" good lord. That would be calamity.

    Lets be real, this State can not survive another lock down.
    My fear is, by trying to win back the people that are claiming they are voting Rainwater, Holcomb is setting up a situation that will bring about stricter lockdowns and/or sooner than otherwise necessary. Mitigation is about avoiding the scenarios that call for lockdowns, and mitigate the strictness and duration if they do have to happen, I don't trust deferring to local leadership on this issue. Not in a state where virus denial is this high and where there's a president courting a herd immunity strategy, without actually saying it. These Trump counties are led by people that are too afraid to enact or even say anything that might run counter to what their voters want or believe. And some are right there with those voters in denying the pandemic. So they've abdicated leadership on the issue.

    So you have Trump deferring to the governors, ignoring his own CDC, and now you have Holcomb deferring to local counties/cities. At the least, we should've backed away from this modified phase 5 and moved back to his phase 4.5, or did SOMETHING to both limit gatherings and actively show residents that things are getting serious again. They might be over the pandemic, but the pandemic isn't over.

    And Holcomb is likely not winning back the Trumpists that have defected from the him and the GOP, so it's a losing strategy both for votes and public health and the economy.
    Last edited by Bball; 10-15-2020, 02:03 PM.
    Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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    • Originally posted by Bball View Post

      My fear is, by trying to win back the people that are claiming they are voting Rainwater, Holcomb is setting up a situation that will bring about stricter lockdowns and/or sooner than otherwise necessary. Mitigation is about avoiding the scenarios that call for lockdowns, and mitigate the strictness and duration if they do have to happen, I don't trust deferring to local leadership on this issue. Not in a state where virus denial is this high and where there's a president courting a herd immunity strategy, without actually saying it. These Trump counties are led by people that are too afraid to enact or even say anything that might run counter to what their voters want or believe. And some are right there with those voters in denying the pandemic. So they've abdicated leadership on the issue.

      So you have Trump deferring to the governors, ignoring his own CDC, and now you have Holcomb deferring to local counties/cities. At the least, we should've backed away from this modified phase 5 and moved back to his phase 4.5, or did SOMETHING to both limit gatherings and actively show residents that things are getting serious again. They might be over the pandemic, but the pandemic isn't over.

      And Holcomb is likely not winning back the Trumpists that have defected from the him and the GOP, so it's a losing strategy both for votes and public health and the economy.
      I guess my retort to you is, if you are worried about the rural counties and lack of local leadership in those areas; nothing about which phase we are in or what restrictions are in place would have deterred these gatherings from happening. The initial lock downs were effective only because people by enlarge respected the premise behind it. We didn't know enough about the virus, and we had to gain our footing in how we respond. We we are beyond that now. People know what to do now. its just a matter of appealing to their better nature. I mean at the end of the day there will always be people who will have their large wedding, or family reunion, college parties. I mean you think the solution is to **** over everyone else because batch of bad apples? People are not going to comply with that logic anymore.
      You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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      • Mask up. Winter is coming.

        Angela Merkel warns of potential 'disaster' as Germany records highest daily case total
        https://news.yahoo.com/merkel-warns-...105918171.html

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        • That's how these people need treated. Ridiculed and embarrassed, not empowered. I'm all for an exchanging of ideas, but when people are this stupid, left side Dunning Kruger chart stupid, they need to be told to ST*U and listen. They shouldn't even have to be told because it's clear they need to do some listening.
          Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

          ------

          "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

          -John Wooden

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          • October 16, 2020
            Cases- 7-day running average 1578 (3-day embargo)
            Deaths- 7-day running average 15.1- total 3,568
            Tests- 7-day running average ~23,800
            Percent positive tests- 7-day running average positive tests 5.8%

            Effective reproductive rate per rt.live (https://bit.ly/300TpLJ): 1.15 (greater than 1.0 projects case growth, less than 1.0 projects case declines- we want this to be BELOW 1). 42nd worst state.
            You can read the following in an “Eeyore” voice.

            The state remains on fire. All metrics are moving in the wrong direction. The hospitalization curve is ugly.
            I included the “anticipated deaths based upon case mix” graph again today, and this curve also concerns me greatly. (I adjusted the case->death delay to 2 weeks, as it is a better fit curve that way, FYI.) Daily deaths are tracking right along with the anticipated deaths curve, and you can see that if we continue to follow that curve that we will have over 30 daily deaths by the end of the month. (We topped out at just above 40 statewide average daily deaths for three days at the end of April.)
            And the most concerning thing is that the “anticipated deaths” curve is growing exponentially. There was a time a month ago when I thought that we may tick along with high cases but low deaths for the remainder of the pandemic. That was wishful thinking.

            Is it possible things will continue to get worse? Absolutely. Look at Wisconsin. They reported 4,039 cases today, and they have 1 million residents less than we do. On a per-capita basis, this would be the equivalent to 4,648 daily new cases in the Hoosier State (MORE THAN DOUBLE WHAT WE ARE NOW).
            It took us 3 weeks to double our daily new cases (9/21->10/12) And our testing % positive continues to rise- we were as low as 3.8% as of 9/21 (when the real rise started). This new case doubling times tracks right along with the trajectory of Wisconsin over the last month. If our trajectory continues, we will be at per-capita Wisconsin levels in 3 weeks. Exponential rise in caseload is extremely hard to stop, and we are there.

            We all have to do our part to limit this spread. Stop hanging out with others outside of your household. That is the single best way. Wear a mask in public. Wash your hands.
            Gonna be autumny this weekend. Low-60s with overnights down in the 40s. Leaves are beautiful, though, and we are at/near peak foliage (https://bit.ly/3nYc84Y).

            https://www.facebook.com/hoosiercovid
            Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

            ------

            "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

            -John Wooden

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            • https://indianapublicmedia.org/news/...Ah-l-ibeEx-fPw

              Indiana Governor Adds No New Restrictions Amid Virus Spread

              Indiana’s statewide mask order will remain in place but tougher restrictions on businesses and crowd sizes aren’t being reinstated despite recent sharp increases in COVID-19 hospitalizations and rates of new infections, Gov. Eric Holcomb said Wednesday.

              Holcomb said some people were showing disregard for the safety of others, putting the ability of schools to remain open and health of those most at risk in jeopardy.

              Holcomb decided three weeks ago to lift nearly all of Indiana’s restrictions while extending the mask mandate, which was scheduled to expire Saturday. His new order will extend it for a month.

              State health commissioner Dr. Kristina Box also announced that she, an adult daughter and young grandson tested positive for the coronavirus on Tuesday. Box said she wasn’t suffering any COVID-19 symptoms, while her daughter and grandson had mild symptoms.
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              I'm still sticking with my thoughts that the governor has morphed away from doing what is right for health (and economy) because he's worried about re-election and angering former GOP voters who are now fully Trumpists.

              There's another metric he should consider- Angering voters like me who take the virus seriously and think jumping to phase 5 was questionable, all things considered, and staying there NOW, is just wrong. And his own words don't line up with this lack of action. Just the headline that Indiana was stepping back to Phase 4.5 or Phase 4, would've sent more signals than anything else, that the pandemic was heating up again. Staying where we are is the wrong headline, and the things he said with his concerns and the bad trends are being buried behind the "Indiana remains in phase 5" headlines.

              2 days later and some media are starting to pick the two things apart and we're hearing things like V posted, and I posted here, that question that reasoning. But that doesn't carry the weight it would've had the governor announced Wed we're going back a notch, and "here's why".
              Last edited by Bball; 10-16-2020, 03:43 PM.
              Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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              "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

              -John Wooden

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              • Originally posted by Bball View Post
                That's how these people need treated. Ridiculed and embarrassed, not empowered. I'm all for an exchanging of ideas, but when people are this stupid, left side Dunning Kruger chart stupid, they need to be told to ST*U and listen. They shouldn't even have to be told because it's clear they need to do some listening.
                For one, not many people are denying there's a virus. That may be the first time I've heard someone say that.

                The disagreement is how to approach dealing with it. The arrogant azz in that video probably never considered the varying demographics between the US, New Zealand and India. Fact is, we are fat. We also have a large percentage of blacks who seem to be susceptible. We also have Governor's like that azz Cuomo who intentionally, inexplicably sent people sick with the virus to nursing homes. Just idiotic.

                Fact is, people like that azz are just butt-hurt over the fact the US is far more powerful so he gets his chance to take a shot at us. If we had those demographics we'd probably have 20,000 dead not over 200,000.

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                • Originally posted by Bball View Post
                  https://indianapublicmedia.org/news/...Ah-l-ibeEx-fPw

                  Indiana Governor Adds No New Restrictions Amid Virus Spread

                  Indiana’s statewide mask order will remain in place but tougher restrictions on businesses and crowd sizes aren’t being reinstated despite recent sharp increases in COVID-19 hospitalizations and rates of new infections, Gov. Eric Holcomb said Wednesday.

                  Holcomb said some people were showing disregard for the safety of others, putting the ability of schools to remain open and health of those most at risk in jeopardy.

                  Holcomb decided three weeks ago to lift nearly all of Indiana’s restrictions while extending the mask mandate, which was scheduled to expire Saturday. His new order will extend it for a month.

                  State health commissioner Dr. Kristina Box also announced that she, an adult daughter and young grandson tested positive for the coronavirus on Tuesday. Box said she wasn’t suffering any COVID-19 symptoms, while her daughter and grandson had mild symptoms.
                  ------------------------------------------


                  I'm still sticking with my thoughts that the governor has morphed away from doing what is right for health (and economy) because he's worried about re-election and angering former GOP voters who are now fully Trumpists.

                  There's another metric he should consider- Angering voters like me who take the virus seriously and think jumping to phase 5 was questionable, all things considered, and staying there NOW, is just wrong. And his own words don't line up with this lack of action. Just the headline that Indiana was stepping back to Phase 4.5 or Phase 4, would've sent more signals than anything else, that the pandemic was heating up again. Staying where we are is the wrong headline, and the things he said with his concerns and the bad trends are being buried behind the "Indiana remains in phase 5" headlines.

                  2 days later and some media are starting to pick the two things apart and we're hearing things like V posted, and I posted here, that question that reasoning. But that doesn't carry the weight it would've had the governor announced Wed we're going back a notch, and "here's why".
                  If you are someone who owns a restaurant or some other small business that requires customers in the door. You've barely been hanging on. Your definitely tapping to whatever cash reserves you have. But you been getting some more steady customers over the past month, and the Virus hasn't been rampant in your small town. Why should the Governor issue broad state wide restrictions that will hurt your business, might even just put you out of business? Isn't a more targeted approach better?
                  You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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                  • Originally posted by Bball View Post
                    https://indianapublicmedia.org/news/...Ah-l-ibeEx-fPw

                    Indiana Governor Adds No New Restrictions Amid Virus Spread

                    Indiana’s statewide mask order will remain in place but tougher restrictions on businesses and crowd sizes aren’t being reinstated despite recent sharp increases in COVID-19 hospitalizations and rates of new infections, Gov. Eric Holcomb said Wednesday.

                    Holcomb said some people were showing disregard for the safety of others, putting the ability of schools to remain open and health of those most at risk in jeopardy.

                    Holcomb decided three weeks ago to lift nearly all of Indiana’s restrictions while extending the mask mandate, which was scheduled to expire Saturday. His new order will extend it for a month.

                    State health commissioner Dr. Kristina Box also announced that she, an adult daughter and young grandson tested positive for the coronavirus on Tuesday. Box said she wasn’t suffering any COVID-19 symptoms, while her daughter and grandson had mild symptoms.
                    ------------------------------------------


                    I'm still sticking with my thoughts that the governor has morphed away from doing what is right for health (and economy) because he's worried about re-election and angering former GOP voters who are now fully Trumpists.

                    There's another metric he should consider- Angering voters like me who take the virus seriously and think jumping to phase 5 was questionable, all things considered, and staying there NOW, is just wrong. And his own words don't line up with this lack of action. Just the headline that Indiana was stepping back to Phase 4.5 or Phase 4, would've sent more signals than anything else, that the pandemic was heating up again. Staying where we are is the wrong headline, and the things he said with his concerns and the bad trends are being buried behind the "Indiana remains in phase 5" headlines.

                    2 days later and some media are starting to pick the two things apart and we're hearing things like V posted, and I posted here, that question that reasoning. But that doesn't carry the weight it would've had the governor announced Wed we're going back a notch, and "here's why".
                    I tend to agree. I think the state is facing the beginning of a spike that could continue for awhile and has the potential to get very, very bad. He should know this but he is eyeing November 3rd and the fact the State of Indiana largely disagrees with you.

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                    • The article about hospital beds and staffing shortages, just shows you that a for profit healthcare system is wholly inadequate to deal with a pandemic.
                      You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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                      • For the record, Michigan is pretty well locked down and they are spiking. Illinois, which I know from personal experience is extremely locked down, just spiked over 4000 cases.

                        Point is, the virus is doing what it wants. You can try to slow it down. I'm just not sure it's feasible. I think it's worth monitoring things.

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                        • Originally posted by graphic-er View Post

                          Isn't a more targeted approach better?
                          No.
                          It would be IF there was consistent guidance and leadership from Washington, and it agreed with science. And that guidance and messaging was then shared by the governor and the state's medical officials. And then that would filter down to local leaders with consistent messaging all through the chain.

                          But, since that's not what is happening, local leaders, either because they agree with Trump, or fear (know) that voters agree with Trump, won't do the right thing. In fact, they'll do the opposite. Many are afraid to even repost a health dept warning or suggestion for fear it would trigger Trump supporters (their voters).

                          I'd argue (or agree) the governor could take a county by county, or region by region, approach to restrictions, and pointed guidance and heavy recommendations... but he'd need to be the one the pull the trigger and own those orders... This is a Trump stronghold. In Indiana, he can't abdicate that leadership role because MANY counties (or cities) will NOT do the right thing if left to their own devices. They might, if the messaging came all the way from DC and local leaders knew they were doing what the president wants. But as long as they believe local leaders are doing the opposite of what the president would want, or believes, then they are not going to get onboard. IMO...
                          Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

                          ------

                          "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                          -John Wooden

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                          • Originally posted by graphic-er View Post
                            The article about hospital beds and staffing shortages, just shows you that a for profit healthcare system is wholly inadequate to deal with a pandemic.
                            https://covidactnow.org/us/indiana-in?s=1158279

                            Differing parts of the state have differing availability obviously. If you live in the Northwest part of the state (bordering Chicago btw) and I believe in the Jeffersonville area (which borders Louisville) then yes they have fewer beds available. However here in Central Indiana? Daily and even hourly in some locations, we receive status and diversion reports from every single hospital in Marion County and several outlying county's. We have had psychiatric diversions and on a couple of occasions adult trauma diversions (both of these are ER related btw not ICU) but we do not have one single hospital on ICU bed diversion. We have not been put on call for any ICU overflow by the state since I believe April.

                            According to the website I listed (which seems fairly accurate) it say's we only have 33% of ICU beds in use, which just anecdotally seems accurate to me.

                            Now as to for profit healthcare. I can confidently say that the majority of Hospitals in the state of Indiana are not for profit. Believe it or not even I.U. Health is considered a non for profit entity. Now believe me it is all just a giant tax scam (Not I.U. but the entire for profit vs not for profit) however unless you are going to go to government owned health care then truth be told it would make zero difference whether the entity's are for profit or non for profit.


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