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  • Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post

    Peter Townsend and Roger Daltrey could probably run the World Health Organization better. Tedros is beholden to China and should have demanded that China open up to international investigators.

    Oh, and the W.H.O. just said lockdowns are terrible. Once again the scientists change their guidance.
    Although that's what Trump said the WHO said, that's not what the WHO said.

    I'm not even going to bother telling you what was actually said. You already have your talking point from Trump and/or the propaganda team so you'll ride that horse until the end of time... unless Trump tells you to think differently.
    Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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    "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

    -John Wooden

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    • Originally posted by Bball View Post

      Although that's what Trump said the WHO said, that's not what the WHO said.

      I'm not even going to bother telling you what was actually said. You already have your talking point from Trump and/or the propaganda team so you'll ride that horse until the end of time... unless Trump tells you to think differently.
      Straight from the W.H.O, tearing into lockdowns....and I quote: "just look at what has happened to the tourism industry...for example in the Caribbean and the Pacific because people are not taking their holidays"..."look what has happened to small farmers all over the world...as their markets have been dented."..."look at what's happened to poverty levels...seems that we may well have a doubling of poverty"..."we may well have a doubling of child malnutrition because children are not getting meals at school"..."lockdowns have one consequence that you must never belittle and that's making poor people an awful lot poorer".

      Are you going to say they are claiming lockdowns are good or even neutral?

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      • Keep researching. Keep digging. Avoid the propaganda and actually get your information from a news site.
        Do a fact check. Get the entirety of the statement, and the context.

        I'm not wasting my time getting it for you because I think you'd ignore it anyway because Trump has already Tweeted to tell you what to think. But maybe if you find the info on your own, it will sink in what was actually said. I doubt it though. You're in the tank for Trump, and a propaganda believer.
        Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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        "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

        -John Wooden

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        • Dutch woman dies after catching Covid-19 twice, the first reported reinfection death

          https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/13/europ...ntl/index.html

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          • Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
            OMG, he snickered like pretty much every politician in debate history when their opponent made a point they disagreed with. The horror!
            LOL is main argument to getting reelected is "I allow Kentucky to punch above its weight" since he controls the Senate. In these times, that really shouldn't even matter to most people who just had their lives turned upside down.

            Then he bragged about getting 17 Billion in federal funds for Kentucky......Is that all Mitch? I mean the freaking airline company's got at least 32 Billion by themselves.
            You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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            • Originally posted by vapacersfan View Post
              Dutch woman dies after catching Covid-19 twice, the first reported reinfection death

              https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/13/europ...ntl/index.html
              For a little context, there are 5 confirmed reinfections in the world out of 38 million cases.

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              • Originally posted by Peck View Post
                You know it's amazing how the Caronavirus only seems to spread at Republican functions according to you guys. Amazing how nobody seems to care about these mostly maskless close together yelling and screaming (thus aerosolysing) fine group of humans.

                https://twitter.com/MORNINGSTARdj/st...344866816?s=20
                Yea an impromptu celebration by a bunch of drunken idiots is totally the same thing as a rally put on by our government

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                • This is BnG's people...

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                  • Originally posted by CJ Jones View Post

                    Yea an impromptu celebration by a bunch of drunken idiots is totally the same thing as a rally put on by our government
                    If you would like I will start posting daily the organized protest/gatherings/riots held by the left, because I can if you wish. I am not saying one is better than the other, I just get tired of the hypocritical notion that every time someone right of Ho Chi Min gets together some of you get on here and show us how the virus is spreading like wildfire because of them yet have zero and I mean ZERO to say when it is shown that thousands and sometimes tens of thousands gather in confined spaces shoulder to shoulder often times not wearing a mask and yelling at the top of their lungs. The virus spreads air born, in close proximity and does not care about your political beliefs.


                    Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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                    • I'm gonna keep posting the idiocy I see on the right, if you can find daily pics of unmasked protestors/gatherings/riots I'd be happy to see them too.
                      Last edited by CJ Jones; 10-14-2020, 03:00 PM.

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                      • https://www.wthr.com/article/news/he...x3mJqKYnZBw8KU

                        Indiana coronavirus updates: Indiana to remain in Stage 5; Dr. Box tests positive

                        Dr. Box announced she has tested positive, along with her daughter and her grandson. Box said since the pandemic began, she has kept close contact only to her immediate family. She believes her grandson contracted the virus from daycare, and she picked it up from him and his mother.
                        More at link.

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                        Governor is in quarantine and being tested due to this exposure as well.


                        ================================================== ==
                        I already see what is coming with the anti-maskers on social media... So before they say it and see and read only what they want to-

                        Yes, she wore her mask in public. But she didn't wear it at home and around family. And she remained in close contact with her daughter and her grandchild. They believe the grandchild got it at daycare, and then that spread it to the mother and grandmother (Dr. Box).

                        The entire point of the gov's presser today was to push the point about family gatherings being a worrisome vector for spread. Also, the doctor is currently asymptomatic, so it actually speaks to the importance of wearing your mask and mitigating the spread to strangers. It also speaks to the importance of not letting your guard down around family or thinking that it is somehow a 'safe' gathering. Especially, with activities moving indoors for the fall and winter.

                        It gives you something to think about if you're planning a Halloween party for example. Especially knowing that daycare (spread amongst children) brought this into Dr. Box's family.
                        And knowing the holidays will quickly be upon us- Shopping... family meals... get-togethers... gift exchanges... etc.. Those make for even more opportunities for spread.

                        IF you do contract the disease in one of these settings, if you're wearing your mask in public, it at least mitigates the chances of spread outside of your family.
                        With cases and positivity on the rise, that means there are more hosts able to spread a willing virus. And more opportunities to contract it. And work has to be factored into this. If more family members get it, that means more potential co-workers that can bring it into the workplace.

                        The takeaway from today's presser was NOT that masks don't work. It was they are becoming more important than ever, especially now that the odds of being a carrier, or running into a carrier, are increasing.

                        Takeaway #2:
                        Masks only mitigate, they don't prevent.

                        Takeaway #3:
                        It's one of the only lines of defense we have (beyond social distancing and handwashing), that is between this "new normal" and the beginnings of school shutdowns, tightening business restrictions, and ultimately ever stricter lockdowns should those things not mitigate the spread enough. OR people's lack of adherence to those things lead to no other choice if cases continue to rise.

                        Be smart.
                        Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

                        ------

                        "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                        -John Wooden

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                        • I guess I missed the news that the Kentucky governor is also in quarantine.

                          It sounded like he planned to quarantine for X number of days while Holcomb just plans to quarantine until he gets test results back... and assumes they are negative.
                          Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

                          ------

                          "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                          -John Wooden

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                          • Originally posted by Peck View Post

                            If you would like I will start posting daily the organized protest/gatherings/riots held by the left, because I can if you wish. I am not saying one is better than the other, I just get tired of the hypocritical notion that every time someone right of Ho Chi Min gets together some of you get on here and show us how the virus is spreading like wildfire because of them yet have zero and I mean ZERO to say when it is shown that thousands and sometimes tens of thousands gather in confined spaces shoulder to shoulder often times not wearing a mask and yelling at the top of their lungs. The virus spreads air born, in close proximity and does not care about your political beliefs.
                            I think at issue is the level at which an organizer exists to be setting examples.

                            I was going to post an article a few days ago, and elected not to, and now I wish I had (no idea where to find it now). It was about exactly this... It was talking about how protests as well as political rallies drive the spread. The virus doesn't care what the gathering is for. And the fewer precautions taken, the happier the virus is.

                            Beyond that, I think for many of the protests, the protesters realize there's a risk. They are wearing masks in decent numbers. In both their case and Trump's, they see a bigger societal issue they want to address in a timely fashion (racial injustice for the protesters we're talking about here, and a continuing of Trump's government and his leadership for the next 4 years).

                            But, Trump is holding well-organized rallies and downplaying the virus and encouraging governors to rollback mitigation efforts and mask mandates. And no social distancing at the events, and not even requiring masks. He's effectively the head of the government, arguing for the citizens to do the opposite of what the gov's own health agencies are saying to do in this pandemic.

                            I see a clear difference in the two things organizationally. But very similar in their ability to spread the virus. Worse, for Trump's part in this, he's holding these non-guideline compliant rallies, and arguing against guidelines, as the pandemic is rocketing back into its feared true second wave. Meanwhile, the protests are waning as the rallies are increasing. Even if something was to happen to re-ignite protests, it still leaves the organizational, and leadership, and setting examples all as things to be in question when comparing the two things.

                            Mostly, I just wish people would be a whole lot smarter about this. Listen to the experts. Give the outliers a few moments, but weigh their input (and fact check it) against the weight of the overwhelming advice from the medical/scientific experts that are in agreement.
                            Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

                            ------

                            "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                            -John Wooden

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                            • Originally posted by Bball View Post
                              https://www.wthr.com/article/news/he...x3mJqKYnZBw8KU

                              Indiana coronavirus updates: Indiana to remain in Stage 5; Dr. Box tests positive



                              More at link.

                              ----------------------------------------------------

                              Governor is in quarantine and being tested due to this exposure as well.


                              ================================================== ==
                              I already see what is coming with the anti-maskers on social media... So before they say it and see and read only what they want to-

                              Yes, she wore her mask in public. But she didn't wear it at home and around family. And she remained in close contact with her daughter and her grandchild. They believe the grandchild got it at daycare, and then that spread it to the mother and grandmother (Dr. Box).

                              The entire point of the gov's presser today was to push the point about family gatherings being a worrisome vector for spread. Also, the doctor is currently asymptomatic, so it actually speaks to the importance of wearing your mask and mitigating the spread to strangers. It also speaks to the importance of not letting your guard down around family or thinking that it is somehow a 'safe' gathering. Especially, with activities moving indoors for the fall and winter.

                              It gives you something to think about if you're planning a Halloween party for example. Especially knowing that daycare (spread amongst children) brought this into Dr. Box's family.
                              And knowing the holidays will quickly be upon us- Shopping... family meals... get-togethers... gift exchanges... etc.. Those make for even more opportunities for spread.

                              IF you do contract the disease in one of these settings, if you're wearing your mask in public, it at least mitigates the chances of spread outside of your family.
                              With cases and positivity on the rise, that means there are more hosts able to spread a willing virus. And more opportunities to contract it. And work has to be factored into this. If more family members get it, that means more potential co-workers that can bring it into the workplace.

                              The takeaway from today's presser was NOT that masks don't work. It was they are becoming more important than ever, especially now that the odds of being a carrier, or running into a carrier, are increasing.

                              Takeaway #2:
                              Masks only mitigate, they don't prevent.

                              Takeaway #3:
                              It's one of the only lines of defense we have (beyond social distancing and handwashing), that is between this "new normal" and the beginnings of school shutdowns, tightening business restrictions, and ultimately ever stricter lockdowns should those things not mitigate the spread enough. OR people's lack of adherence to those things lead to no other choice if cases continue to rise.

                              Be smart.
                              I agree that masks are now becoming more important than ever. One might think I changed my view, but that's not the case. I have always feared that it would get much, much worse in the colder months. I'm not sure yet if I'm right about that. But recall how bad it was when it first arrived...and if my fears are realized, Katy bar the door.

                              With that said, it was important to avoid lockdowns and...yeh, I'll say it...spread the virus while the humidity and temps were high. They are going down now though. It's feasible that everyone will get this thing or most people. Like they say, masks do not prevent. You only need one bad day and there are a lot of Mondays over the next 5 months or so. In the winter, people will be inside all the time and the density of that virus is going way up IMO. Good luck. I hope you've already gotten a taste of it.

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