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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

Rule #2

If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

An example:

If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:

http://www.linktothearticlegoeshere.com/article
Title of the Article
Author's Name
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Rule #6

We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.

The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.

Rule #7

Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

Rule #8

We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

Rule #9

Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.

Rule #10

We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.

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Do not advertise anything without talking about it with the administrators first. This includes advertising with your signature, with your avatar, through private messaging, and/or by making a thread or post.
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  • Bball
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    Well... this is a timely dovetail:
    Dear IMS Customer,

    As our Indianapolis Motor Speedway team continues to get the Speedway ready to host fans in May, we are also working on a daily basis with our state and local authorities to finalize the health and safety protocols which will be required when fans visit IMS, especially on Indy 500 Race Day.

    We expect to welcome our fans for all on-track days in May, and we continue to prepare for a sizeable crowd on Race Day. We will provide you more details in the next week as they are worked out with local authorities.

    To be helpful, if you are not planning on coming to the Speedway this year and will not use all or some of your tickets because of your own personal situation, we would like to offer you the opportunity to once again receive an IMS account credit that can be applied to any IMS event, including next year’s Indianapolis 500. If you choose to do this, you will retain your Indy 500 seat locations and your seniority and can complete your Indy 500 renewal after May so you can return in 2022 when the pandemic is fully behind us.

    To make the selection to receive a credit for 2022, we ask that you please click the following link to be directed to your IMS account, where you can log in and make those selections. All requests must be submitted by Monday, April 19.

    Please log in to your account at IMS.com no later than Monday, April 19 to let us know if you would like to change your original order.

    Importantly, your decision will not impact your seniority or right to renew your tickets for the 106th Running of the Indianapolis 500 on May 29, 2022.

    If you have questions or need assistance completing the online form, please call the IMS Ticket Office at 317-492-6700. Hours of operations are 9 a.m. - 6 p.m. (ET) Friday, April 16, 10 a.m. - 3 p.m. (ET) Saturday and Sunday, April 17-18, and 9 a.m. - 6 p.m. (ET) Monday, April 19.

    For the majority of you that will not make changes to your account, you do not need to do anything at this time. We are hopeful the tickets you will receive will be as close to your current location as possible. If any reductions or seat movements are necessary based upon required health protocols, we will communicate with you as soon as we know so we can begin the process of getting you prepared to be here May 30.

    The Indianapolis 500 fans are the greatest fans in the world! Just like last year, the IMS team has continued to invest in and improve the facility to provide you an even more memorable experience at IMS. We can’t wait for you to be here and see the progress!

    Finally, we understand this is a challenging time and can be very frustrating for you as we all wait to understand how to best manage the month of May. In the meantime, thanks for being patient, and we look forward to welcoming fans back to the Indianapolis Motor Speedway next month.

    Sincerely,

    J. Douglas Boles, IMS President

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  • Bball
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    It seems the natives are starting to get restless regarding the 2021 Indy 500. Although, IMS made some meaningless statements a while back surrounding 175,000 tickets sold... and IIRC even saying they 'hope' to have/allow 250,000 people... No blue envelopes are in the mail.
    It's mid-April.
    No official statement from IMS about crowd-size.
    The 'hopeful' releases haven't changed to anything concrete and have lost some of their original optimism in the ecosphere that read more into the statements than the statements actually said.

    I think Holcomb won't stand in the way of a full IMS for the Indy 500. I think he's more than willing to let someone else be the bad guy on that. And I have a feeling IMS is perfectly fine with no actual meaningful limits.

    But I have a feeling there are some voices that are "being the bad guy".

    I wouldn't even doubt that unlike last year, there would be some national pressure (with some teeth and unity) against holding an event with 175,000 people AND IMS wanting to sell more tickets.

    I could be wrong... but I get the feeling there's a chasm between what entities like local govt, IU Health, the Health Dept, and maybe even the CDC are saying/willing to accept right now versus what IMS is pushing for.
    And, other than waiting until the last minute possible to make a crowd size determination based on the most recent possible data, IMS is pushing the logistics off as far as possible. I'm sure some fan logistics are already starting to be impacted. Travel and room decisions. Decisions on whether to even buy tickets or not for those that don't already have them. Eventually though, event logistics will need to be nailed down. Security... policies... traffic control... vendors... mitigation efforts... schedules...

    I just get the feeling IMS and some of the entities that matter behind the scenes, are not on the same page.

    If IMS said "We're capping attendance at 25,000" this would be a done deal. But IMS still has dreams of 175,000+ and they are not getting the green light for that... yet.

    I could be wrong... But fans are starting to wonder.
    Last edited by Bball; 04-15-2021, 07:57 PM.

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  • Gamble1
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    Originally posted by graphic-er View Post


    I really can't believe the hoopla that this has caused, Fauci is a moron on this. I mean for goodness sake, taking birth control has a way higher incidence of blood clots than this Vaccine. We are talking about 6 reported cases out of millions....It shouldn't have even been a story. Notice that nobody really reported on the the people who developed a rare blood disease from taking the MRNA vaccines...
    It is overblown but this is how the system is designed to work especially under a EUA. We also do not the rate of it yet since they didn't know exactly what to look for but now they do so I am hopeful that this will be resolved quickly.

    Supposedly there are 50000 people who develop this disorder In the US so it is hard to establish a causality relationship.
    Last edited by Gamble1; 04-14-2021, 10:43 PM.

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  • graphic-er
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    Originally posted by Gamble1 View Post
    Some news about the J&J and Astrazeneca vaccines causing blood clot issues in the venous system.

    So apparently this condition has been seen before where low platelet counts but clotting occurs in a person.

    Heparin is a really common anti clotting agent that in rare instances causes this. They now know that the adenovirus used in the vaccines in very rare cases cause an antibody response to platelet factor 4 which causes the clotting.

    It will only be a matter of time before the mechanism is uncovered on to what is happening with the vaccine that causes this. I can not emphasize enough that this is super rare and it could be due to a number reasons.

    https://www.statnews.com/2021/04/13/...ee-some-clues/

    The link here maybe do to Heparan Sulphate which is a compound that occurs naturally in the body and is used by covid 19 to enter the cell via the spike protein of covid 19. Heparan sulphate is similar to heparin so essentially you have a compound used by the virus to infect cells and that spike protein to heparin sulphate interaction could be the autoimmune disease that causes this.

    So essentially you make the spike protein via the vaccine that spike protein interacts with heparan sulphate that triggers platelet factor 4 that gives the autoimmune disease to platelet factor 4. If you bind to an antigen (spike protein) then you can make antibodies to that whole complex. PF4 IS BINDING TO THE VACCINE.

    And yes I just came up with this so could be totally wrong here.

    If I was a betting man the adenovirus based vaccines are using larger areas of the spike protein from the covid virus that incorporate the heparan sulphate interaction that the mRNA based vaccines do not incorporate. This is why you don't see it in the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines.

    I really can't believe the hoopla that this has caused, Fauci is a moron on this. I mean for goodness sake, taking birth control has a way higher incidence of blood clots than this Vaccine. We are talking about 6 reported cases out of millions....It shouldn't have even been a story. Notice that nobody really reported on the the people who developed a rare blood disease from taking the MRNA vaccines...

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  • Peck
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    Originally posted by vapacersfan View Post
    Just lost someone close to me from complications from COVID-19

    Young guy, (not a big smoker), and this came out of nowhere.

    Never a good time for this to happen, but this **** just seems unfair.

    Sorry for the vent - one of the tougher funerals I had to go to today
    Terribly sorry for your loss.

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  • Gamble1
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    Some news about the J&J and Astrazeneca vaccines causing blood clot issues in the venous system.

    So apparently this condition has been seen before where low platelet counts but clotting occurs in a person.

    Heparin is a really common anti clotting agent that in rare instances causes this. They now know that the adenovirus used in the vaccines in very rare cases cause an antibody response to platelet factor 4 which causes the clotting.

    It will only be a matter of time before the mechanism is uncovered on to what is happening with the vaccine that causes this. I can not emphasize enough that this is super rare and it could be due to a number reasons.

    https://www.statnews.com/2021/04/13/...ee-some-clues/

    The link here maybe do to Heparan Sulphate which is a compound that occurs naturally in the body and is used by covid 19 to enter the cell via the spike protein of covid 19. Heparan sulphate is similar to heparin so essentially you have a compound used by the virus to infect cells and that spike protein to heparin sulphate interaction could be the autoimmune disease that causes this.

    So essentially you make the spike protein via the vaccine that spike protein interacts with heparan sulphate that triggers platelet factor 4 that gives the autoimmune disease to platelet factor 4. If you bind to an antigen (spike protein) then you can make antibodies to that whole complex. PF4 IS BINDING TO THE VACCINE.

    And yes I just came up with this so could be totally wrong here.

    If I was a betting man the adenovirus based vaccines are using larger areas of the spike protein from the covid virus that incorporate the heparan sulphate interaction that the mRNA based vaccines do not incorporate. This is why you don't see it in the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines.
    Last edited by Gamble1; 04-13-2021, 11:33 PM.

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  • vapacersfan
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    Just lost someone close to me from complications from COVID-19

    Young guy, (not a big smoker), and this came out of nowhere.

    Never a good time for this to happen, but this **** just seems unfair.

    Sorry for the vent - one of the tougher funerals I had to go to today

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  • vapacersfan
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    CDC and FDA recommend US pause use of Johnson & Johnson's Covid-19 vaccine over blood clot concerns

    https://edition.cnn.com/2021/04/13/h...fda/index.html

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  • Gamble1
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    It sounds like this Israeli study is gaining traction on the national media so I will comment on it.

    The study design is poor.

    individuals who had a positive PCR test that was performed between 14 days after the 1st dose and a week after the 2nd dose (denoted as partial effectiveness, PE), and (b) individuals who had a positive PCR test that was performed at least one week after the second vaccine dose (denoted as full effectiveness, FE).
    This is not what the cdc or the company claims as the full effectiveness of the vaccine. Stuff like this gives false impressions and mucks up the field. The study will most likely get peer reviewed and slaughtered for this.

    This isn't to say the Brazilian variant doesn't limit the vaccine effectiveness but this seems like a ridiculous attempt to publish something with a known flaw in the study design. People do this for the notoriety and hopefully this gets squashed quickly.

    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1...82v1.full-text

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  • Gamble1
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    I think the goal of getting the US at 75% vaccinated rate was always bit of a pipe dream. Some age demographics might get there but in all I think it is not likely.

    Just to further the point of it is not just rural whites that are not hesitant look no further than Marion county. Per 100000 people vaccinations are in line with rural counties in the state.

    https://www.coronavirus.in.gov/vaccine/2680.htm

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  • Gamble1
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    Originally posted by Bball View Post
    Vaccine supply and demand... we're reaching (or have reached) the point where people that want the vaccine have gotten it or are about to... While some states have high resistance.
    When combined with people that have had Covid, according to this, it still won't add up to herd immunity.
    Of course, does it add up to "Screw 'em!" if they refuse the vaccine now?
    What are the costs associated with the remaining unvaccinated remaining unvaccinated?

    I suppose the question might move into the mutation question and what toxic stew they could create for those of us who got the shot as soon as it was available.

    And then, even without herd immunity, just having holes in the transmission chain to slow transmission brings up questions about what is "good enough" (once everyone who wants vaccinated is vaccinated)?

    Gamble1... awaiting your analysis of this...

    https://www.axios.com/america-corona...775581f6f.html
    So just to go through your questions. What are the cost of people not wanting to get the shot?

    Yes mutations will happen faster but that also is a problem in the entire world and the UK variant is the one affecting us now. The direct cost is higher healthcare premiums and if you work in healthcare or education the cost is a salary freeze (happening to me now) or raises that are out paced by inflation (happening to my wife now). I still have a job so not complaining.

    As for natural infections and immunity no one really knows yet if repeat infections in an individual gives that person a higher duration of immunity. It very well could so even the numb nuts out there may reach longer immunity. They may just being doing it the hard way and taking some down along the way.

    Lastly vaccine hesitancy isn't a homogenous group. Some are African American who are hesitant due to being scared of side effects. Some are the rural whites who haven't suffered or seen personal friends suffer yet. So overtime this group will get pulled in to a degree.

    The silver lining in all this is for the parents. The companies are racing to get approval for all ages and when they do the stockpile will be there for those kids to get it by the fall semester.

    As for what is good enough I think that is a layered question. For the nation or the world this isn't good enough. For the individual family you can design it so that it is good enough in many ways if your core group is vaccinated.

    Keep in mind the flu vaccine never reaches herd immunity either in the US so this is somewhat expected. What the vaccines will do is slow exponential growth rates. The herd immunity prevents an epidemic all together but the vaccines will prevent healthcare collapse, slow the time to peaks in outbreaks and make those peaks less high.

    Sorry for long post but those are my thoughts.

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  • shags
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    Originally posted by Bball View Post
    Vaccine supply and demand... we're reaching (or have reached) the point where people that want the vaccine have gotten it or are about to... While some states have high resistance.
    When combined with people that have had Covid, according to this, it still won't add up to herd immunity.
    Of course, does it add up to "Screw 'em!" if they refuse the vaccine now?
    What are the costs associated with the remaining unvaccinated remaining unvaccinated?

    I suppose the question might move into the mutation question and what toxic stew they could create for those of us who got the shot as soon as it was available.

    And then, even without herd immunity, just having holes in the transmission chain to slow transmission brings up questions about what is "good enough" (once everyone who wants vaccinated is vaccinated)?

    Gamble1... awaiting your analysis of this...

    https://www.axios.com/america-corona...775581f6f.html
    My opinion has always been that we should open up back to relative normalcy when everyone has had the opportunity to take the vaccine. Obviously, the major asterisk to this is that children under the age of 16 can't receive a vaccine (yet). You have to factor that in, but in my opinion, the people who are refusing the vaccine have made the choice to live with that risk, and we need to move forward.

    But I am definitely curious to hear Gamble1's opinion of that as well.

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  • Bball
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    Vaccine supply and demand... we're reaching (or have reached) the point where people that want the vaccine have gotten it or are about to... While some states have high resistance.
    When combined with people that have had Covid, according to this, it still won't add up to herd immunity.
    Of course, does it add up to "Screw 'em!" if they refuse the vaccine now?
    What are the costs associated with the remaining unvaccinated remaining unvaccinated?

    I suppose the question might move into the mutation question and what toxic stew they could create for those of us who got the shot as soon as it was available.

    And then, even without herd immunity, just having holes in the transmission chain to slow transmission brings up questions about what is "good enough" (once everyone who wants vaccinated is vaccinated)?

    Gamble1... awaiting your analysis of this...

    https://www.axios.com/america-corona...775581f6f.html

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  • Gamble1
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    So this is a very large retrospective study on covid 19 diagnosis patients 6 months post infection. Key points here is that the authors used other upper respiratory tract infections like influenza as controls. This seems reasonable to use as a control group and would help limit a false conclusion or p values.

    Let me just say of true this is really really bad news.

    Among 236 379 patients diagnosed with COVID-19, the estimated incidence of a neurological or psychiatric diagnosis in the following 6 months was 33.62% (95% CI 33.17–34.07), with 12.84% (12.36–13.33) receiving their first such diagnosis.
    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...084-5/fulltext
    Last edited by Gamble1; 04-06-2021, 10:50 PM.

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  • graphic-er
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    Originally posted by Gamble1 View Post
    The cdc updated its guidance on fomite transmission so if you are washing your hands all the time or disinfecting packages you should look into it. One study had the fomite transmission rate of 1 to 10,000 but keep in mind covid is only one pathogen and there are many more pathogens that can get you sick with poor hygiene.

    In addition to this you may see a bunch of misleading info on air bourne and aerosol transmission with the cdc being the whipping boy for making a mistake here. Just remember aerosol transmission is a specific kind of air bourne transmission. The CDC never wavered on air bourne transmission but the data was slow to address aerosol transmission.
    Well thats good news on the sanitizing stuff all the time. We stopped wiping down our groceries a while back, but we still wipe down our take out cups and containers.

    I'm not sure what to think about the aerosol transmission vs airborne....I most likely caught COVID at my office and I wear a 2 layer fabric mask anytime i leave my office space area. The only other person who had it in my office worked at front desk right by the time clock. She didn'y wear her mask while sitting at her desk, so she could have been coughing and breathing all over the place at various points. Or i could have caught it from sorting through the stack of time cards that she previously touched, the attendance board magnets. Nobody else in the office caught it including the 2 ladies who worked in her vicinity. So there seems to be a varying degrees of predictability in terms of how you can get it.

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