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  • #16
    Re: 3 games at Wembley in 2014!

    Originally posted by travmil View Post
    Does it really matter if you move a Jacksonville home game though? They had attendance issues even when they were good.
    Yeah, but I don't think you further alienate the fans by taking home games away. If they had done that to the Pacers in say 2007, we might not be on this board right now. That is, unless the NFL has given up on Jacksonville already.

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    • #17
      Re: 3 games at Wembley in 2014!

      A few facts instead of sentiments:

      avg attendance at Wembley stadium = sold out aka 90,000 +
      avg ticket prices is $ 350
      both teams get their "normal" amount of the gate, it does not stay in the UK, NFL London organises the games and the costs are taken out, just like in the USA before there is an assignment of profit.
      lead-in and build up is weeks in advance, parade on Oxford Street etc for all teams.
      multiple tv stations now carry the games, including the BBC, commercial radio stations are now running Sunday night games on the radio (every week during NFL Season)
      Lots of events (like meeting Luck) are only available for UK registered fans of the teams, several have local(uk) fan clubs.
      there's loads of tailgate parties
      ALL the NFL is doing is proving that a stadium like Wembley can sell out 8 homegames @ 90K+ a game, how many teams in the USA can say that?
      the difference in flight time between London - NY and NY CA - 35 minutes.
      Tax? players would be contracted by USA company and have so many ways to avoid taxes here it is insane, once you earn more then 250k a year here you stop paying tax, mostly once you are over 1 mio you never pay tax or definitely no more than 50k
      Losing a homegame? NFL makes sure EU fan of the home team AND US fans have priority on the tickets, LOTS of priority, this year the JAGS were the 1st team to not sell out their allocation of fan tickets, the leftovers were sold here for approx. 450 a pop and sold out in 10 minutes.

      Final fact: you don't live alone on this bowl we call world, people looked crosseyed at me if I said I went shoppin in paris on a Saturday whilst I lived in the Netherlands, a mere 4 hour drive, do shopping, get great dinner, stay the night and some more shopping and a leisure drive back.

      it will be the same, you guys are now getting more serious about what you call soccer, wait till you can qualify a team for the "champions league" and I bet that you would be ab le to oversell tickets for away matches (IN EU) at rates you would think were the price of a new car.

      get with the program, we are moving forward
      So Long And Thanks For All The Fish.

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      Then why not have Breakfast at Milliways!

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      • #18
        Re: 3 games at Wembley in 2014!

        Originally posted by able View Post
        A few facts instead of sentiments:

        avg attendance at Wembley stadium = sold out aka 90,000 +
        avg ticket prices is $ 350
        both teams get their "normal" amount of the gate, it does not stay in the UK, NFL London organises the games and the costs are taken out, just like in the USA before there is an assignment of profit.
        lead-in and build up is weeks in advance, parade on Oxford Street etc for all teams.
        multiple tv stations now carry the games, including the BBC, commercial radio stations are now running Sunday night games on the radio (every week during NFL Season)
        Lots of events (like meeting Luck) are only available for UK registered fans of the teams, several have local(uk) fan clubs.
        there's loads of tailgate parties
        ALL the NFL is doing is proving that a stadium like Wembley can sell out 8 homegames @ 90K+ a game, how many teams in the USA can say that?
        the difference in flight time between London - NY and NY CA - 35 minutes.
        Tax? players would be contracted by USA company and have so many ways to avoid taxes here it is insane, once you earn more then 250k a year here you stop paying tax, mostly once you are over 1 mio you never pay tax or definitely no more than 50k
        Losing a homegame? NFL makes sure EU fan of the home team AND US fans have priority on the tickets, LOTS of priority, this year the JAGS were the 1st team to not sell out their allocation of fan tickets, the leftovers were sold here for approx. 450 a pop and sold out in 10 minutes.

        Final fact: you don't live alone on this bowl we call world, people looked crosseyed at me if I said I went shoppin in paris on a Saturday whilst I lived in the Netherlands, a mere 4 hour drive, do shopping, get great dinner, stay the night and some more shopping and a leisure drive back.

        it will be the same, you guys are now getting more serious about what you call soccer, wait till you can qualify a team for the "champions league" and I bet that you would be ab le to oversell tickets for away matches (IN EU) at rates you would think were the price of a new car.

        get with the program, we are moving forward

        So if the Colts lost a home game to London, would the NFL reimburse all of the downtown businesses for the lost 12.5% (1/8) of gameday revenues that they make from Colts home games? Of course not. And that's why it's unfair.

        No one is arguing against the fact that it's a big moneymaker for the NFL and London. And no one is denying that the teams themselves still get gate money. What we're saying is that it's unfair for the communities whose taxes pay for the stadiums. Did London taxpayers finance Lucas Oil Stadium or any of the other NFL stadiums? Of course not. It wouldn't be fair to the Indy taxpayer to take away one of only eight games. It wouldn't be fair to the downtown businesses to take away 1/8 of their NFL season revenue. These are the people who support the Colts all year long on a financial and emotional level. They deserve all eight games and nothing less. Sure there are some wealthy people in Indy who could afford to fly to London to see the game, but it's just a tiny minority. Most would lose out on that game.

        If the NFL is so obsessed with London, then they should put a team there. It's unfair to keep stealing home games from communities who finance these stadiums.

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        • #19
          Re: 3 games at Wembley in 2014!

          no but London people did pay additional taxes and still are for Wembley to the tune of close to $2,000,000,000.00

          Jags average how many ?
          just because the Colts made out l like a thief, unlike the Pacers who are blamed to cost to much, don't mean they not to be a part, did you notice that no matter how many teams went, Colts didn't?
          perhaps NFL let them choose.

          who knows but no matter what I would love to have the Colts here for a game, home or away
          So Long And Thanks For All The Fish.

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          Then why not have Breakfast at Milliways!

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          • #20
            Re: 3 games at Wembley in 2014!

            Originally posted by able View Post
            no but London people did pay additional taxes and still are for Wembley to the tune of close to $2,000,000,000.00

            Jags average how many ?
            just because the Colts made out l like a thief, unlike the Pacers who are blamed to cost to much, don't mean they not to be a part, did you notice that no matter how many teams went, Colts didn't?
            perhaps NFL let them choose.

            who knows but no matter what I would love to have the Colts here for a game, home or away

            I would love to go to a Colts game in London if they were an away team. That would certainly make for a fun vacation. I'd just hate it if they were the home team and lost a game here.

            But these London games are certainly a huge financial success for the NFL, no doubt about it. The NFL is only interested in doing things that make a lot of money, and they keep doing these every year. So they're obviously a huge financial success.

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            • #21
              Re: 3 games at Wembley in 2014!

              Originally posted by able View Post
              A few facts instead of sentiments:

              avg attendance at Wembley stadium = sold out aka 90,000 +
              avg ticket prices is $ 350
              both teams get their "normal" amount of the gate, it does not stay in the UK, NFL London organises the games and the costs are taken out, just like in the USA before there is an assignment of profit.
              lead-in and build up is weeks in advance, parade on Oxford Street etc for all teams.
              multiple tv stations now carry the games, including the BBC, commercial radio stations are now running Sunday night games on the radio (every week during NFL Season)
              Lots of events (like meeting Luck) are only available for UK registered fans of the teams, several have local(uk) fan clubs.
              there's loads of tailgate parties
              ALL the NFL is doing is proving that a stadium like Wembley can sell out 8 homegames @ 90K+ a game, how many teams in the USA can say that?
              the difference in flight time between London - NY and NY CA - 35 minutes.
              Tax? players would be contracted by USA company and have so many ways to avoid taxes here it is insane, once you earn more then 250k a year here you stop paying tax, mostly once you are over 1 mio you never pay tax or definitely no more than 50k
              Losing a homegame? NFL makes sure EU fan of the home team AND US fans have priority on the tickets, LOTS of priority, this year the JAGS were the 1st team to not sell out their allocation of fan tickets, the leftovers were sold here for approx. 450 a pop and sold out in 10 minutes.

              Final fact: you don't live alone on this bowl we call world, people looked crosseyed at me if I said I went shoppin in paris on a Saturday whilst I lived in the Netherlands, a mere 4 hour drive, do shopping, get great dinner, stay the night and some more shopping and a leisure drive back.

              it will be the same, you guys are now getting more serious about what you call soccer, wait till you can qualify a team for the "champions league" and I bet that you would be ab le to oversell tickets for away matches (IN EU) at rates you would think were the price of a new car.

              get with the program, we are moving forward
              I am with you on most of these points but I worry about whether London will ever sustain a team long term.

              Look, I have lived in Europe, have a foreign wife, and travel overseas at least 2-3 times a year so I am with you on people acting too provincial about this. Right now many NFL players don't want to live in London though, you have to remember a large number of NFL players are from the inner city and prior to playing in college may have never left the state or even city they grew up in. I think eventually players would get acclimated to living there but it would take time.

              But you talk about supporters clubs and the weeks of build up to the game, do you think London could support a team every week, especially when the NFL plays on weekends when tens of thousands of fans all around the country are at Premier League games? Do you think London fans would ditch the teams they like now for the new home team? I have been a Tottenham supporter for many years and even if the Fulham owner moved the team to Washington I would not change my allegiance.

              Sometimes I wonder if they'll just start having one game there every week, and teams and fans will have to get used to the fact their team will have to play in London every X years. It will just be a fact of life for each U.S. fan.

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              • #22
                Re: 3 games at Wembley in 2014!

                Originally posted by able View Post
                no but London people did pay additional taxes and still are for Wembley to the tune of close to $2,000,000,000.00
                And that tax money goes where? Certainly not to Indy nor it's residents, so their taxes mean nothing for the people that are missing out.
                Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right. ― Ricky Gervais.

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                • #23
                  Re: 3 games at Wembley in 2014!

                  You would never see two BPL teams play a BPL match that would count in the standings in America. Call it a sentiment or an opinion or whatever you want, it's the truth. And I feel the NFL should behave the same way. Could you imagine Liverpool, Arsenal, Man U, Man City, Chelsea, etc. giving up a crucial precious home game in the BPL table to come play in NYC? Hell no.


                  Beyond that, the flight time comment comparing NY to London to NY to CA is fine in one off scenarios, how often does a NY team fly to CA? Maybe once every 2-3 years? A London based team would be flying here EIGHT times. Their divisional members would have to fly over there yearly. There's a reason NFL divisions are divided by region. In the concept of a one off trip, sure, it's not that much different, but I am totally opposed as a fan to these games that count being in London.

                  Also, "Champions League" already exists for CONCACAF just exists for UEFA, we do play into a worldwide championship that is almost always won by the European champion. An American team will never qualify into the UEFA CL.


                  If y'all want to enjoy an NFL game, I'm cool with that, but it should be a preseason game. It shouldn't be a game that counts in the standings. Or they should just add a franchise, but my concerns of travel which I stated above are then looming large.
                  Last edited by Trader Joe; 10-11-2013, 03:55 PM.


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                  • #24
                    Re: 3 games at Wembley in 2014!

                    Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
                    I would love to go to a Colts game in London if they were an away team. That would certainly make for a fun vacation. I'd just hate it if they were the home team and lost a game here.

                    But these London games are certainly a huge financial success for the NFL, no doubt about it. The NFL is only interested in doing things that make a lot of money, and they keep doing these every year. So they're obviously a huge financial success.

                    Speaking of the NFL and money, saw a disturbing fact today, the NFL rakes 45% of the proceeds from the any pink gear they sell for breast cancer awareness, only about 3% makes it to charity.


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                    • #25
                      Re: 3 games at Wembley in 2014!

                      Originally posted by idioteque View Post
                      Sometimes I wonder if they'll just start having one game there every week, and teams and fans will have to get used to the fact their team will have to play in London every X years. It will just be a fact of life for each U.S. fan.
                      Good Lord. What a pile of horse dung that would be.


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                      • #26
                        Re: 3 games at Wembley in 2014!

                        Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
                        Speaking of the NFL and money, saw a disturbing fact today, the NFL rakes 45% of the proceeds from the any pink gear they sell for breast cancer awareness, only about 3% makes it to charity.
                        Where does the other 52% go?

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                        • #27
                          Re: 3 games at Wembley in 2014!

                          Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
                          Speaking of the NFL and money, saw a disturbing fact today, the NFL rakes 45% of the proceeds from the any pink gear they sell for breast cancer awareness, only about 3% makes it to charity.
                          Breast cancer "awareness" has jumped the shark, and I have a relative with breast cancer. Some of the items Komen puts its brand on are reportedly carcinogens for heaven's sake.

                          http://butterbeliever.com/i-will-not...-for-the-cure/

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                          • #28
                            Re: 3 games at Wembley in 2014!

                            Originally posted by vapacersfan View Post
                            Where does the other 52% go?
                            Dunno, individiual teams, manufacturers? It was just a short blurb, I probably should have read more but only caught it in passing.


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                            • #29
                              Re: 3 games at Wembley in 2014!

                              I would rather see the NFL add a 17th game with 16 neutral site games spread out in London, Mexico City, LA, San Antonio, Toronto, etc.

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                              • #30
                                Re: 3 games at Wembley in 2014!

                                Atlanta is trying to get a new stadium deal as well. Not sure how this helps by giving up a game unless they are putting the extra cash aside for said digs. It does stink all of those game day people in those cities lose a pay check.

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