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  • 2013 Andrew Luck thread

    It's a little eye-brow raising that on a Colts board, we made it to week 3 without an Andrew Luck thread, but the Peyton Manning thread is 5 pages long.

    I'll start.

    After three games, it would appear that most of the things we hoped for last year are coming true. His usage rate came down to a normal level from last year's sky-high level. He's throwing it less and throwing it safer and taking less hits.

    I'm starting to like the QBR rating for at least a good high-level view of how players are doing.

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/qbr

    He's currently 4th in QBR, at 77 total QBR, which is very respectable. 77 is what Brady avg'd last year.

    Interestingly, he's the highest rated QB in the entire league in run EPA by a metric MILE, which means he's the most *effective* running QB in the league, which goes completely against the conventional logic of a pocket passer, and his comparisons to the "option" QBs out there. He's not even an option QB, and his runs are extremely effective. His runs usually result in 1st down conversions or touchdowns. It means with Wilson and Kaep and Pryor and RG3 out there running around, it's actually Luck who's making the most of his legs.

    In pass EPA, he's just above the middle of the pack. Combined, he's an extremely balanced QB... able to get you with his arm or his legs.

    I like the "QB PAA" category. It makes an attempt to put everything into context about the QB, and then do a comparison to the rest of the QBs. It gives you a good idea of which QBs are actually playing really good football, whether they have huge stats or not. Luck is once again, 4th in the league, just behind Peyton, Brees, and Rivers (look at Rivers! He's quietly gotten off to a surprising great start).

    Moving back to the standard statistics, he's at around 65% completion percentage. This is a ~10% increase over last year. His INTs are way down. 1 in 3 games. So basically, the two areas that people used against him last year (completion % and INTs) have seen marked improvement. His rating is currently at a very respectable 93, which is a lot higher than last year.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but his 1 INT was a tipped ball. So he's taking much better care of the ball.

    Only 3 passing TDs. But the Colts offense has taken a completely different approach this year. Luck has two rushing TDs, so he's currently standing at 5 total touchdowns. They're taking what the defense gives them, and coverage would appear to be making a tremendous effort to take away the pass (due to last year's success through the air), so instead of forcing it, Luck is making the correct reads and going with the run, or short dump-offs. The unfortunate drawback of this is his passing #s are taking a hit. But when he is throwing it, he's doing good things.

    I think what Indy is doing is really good. The offense was weighted heavily towards the pass last year, but this year, it's nearly even. 93 passes, 91 runs. They are backing up what they claimed about having a more balanced attack. We have the 4th best rushing attack in the league thus far, which is a huge improvement and that's only counting 1 game with our new backfield of TRich and Bradshaw --- wait 'til those guys get clicking.

    I think things are adding up to a pretty damn special recipe this year. To be honest, the balance on offense this year reminds me a lot of how we ran our offense in 2006 --- which was the most "odd" year in Manning's tenure. That year he was uncharacteristically reserved in his gameplan, a lot of short, careful moving the chains types of plays. That's what we're doing this year. I think this is a REALLY good thing. This seems to be a somewhat boring way to do things, but if you look at recent SB champs, that's basically how they went about doing it. It's how Indy won our only SB.
    Last edited by Kid Minneapolis; 09-24-2013, 03:20 PM.
    There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.

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    I thought that's what the "Andrew Luck!!!" thread was

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      His one INT was a bad throw into the end zone at the end of the game against Miami


      I still think they need to take more shots downfield and more intermediary routes to get those chunk plays
      Don't ask Marvin Harrison what he did during the bye week. "Batman never told where the Bat Cave is," he explained.

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        I get tired of the announcers in about every darn game; saying Luck's a lot bigger or stronger or faster than people think.

        Anybody paying just a bit of attention to him knows he's big, strong and fast. Heck he was equal to Kaepernick as an athlete at the NFL Combine and they can't stop talking about what a great athlete he is.
        "Just look at the flowers ........ BANG" - Carol "The Walking Dead"

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          Originally posted by Hoop View Post
          I get tired of the announcers in about every darn game; saying Luck's a lot bigger or stronger or faster than people think.

          Anybody paying just a bit of attention to him knows he's big, strong and fast. Heck he was equal to Kaepernick as an athlete at the NFL Combine and they can't stop talking about what a great athlete he is.

          Which brings us to the elephant in the room that they aren't addressing but is so obvious even Stevie Wonder can see it...

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            Originally posted by Basketball Fan View Post
            Which brings us to the elephant in the room that they aren't addressing but is so obvious even Stevie Wonder can see it...
            Your are correct. It's stereotyping.

            Pocket passes can't run....
            Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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            "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

            -John Wooden

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              feel free to use liberally. too bad OlBlu's gone.

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                Look at him, that cocky, arrogant SOB.....
                Super Bowl XLI Champions
                2000 Eastern Conference Champions




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                  Originally posted by Heisenberg View Post

                  too bad OlBlu's gone.
                  Gone... but not forgotten....
                  Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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                  "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                  -John Wooden

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                    Originally posted by Bball View Post
                    Gone... but not forgotten....
                    I almost feel a Neil Young song coming on.
                    You know how hippos are made out to be sweet and silly, like big cows, but are actually extremely dangerous and can kill you with stunning brutality? The Pacers are the NBA's hippos....Matt Moore CBS Sports....

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                      Originally posted by Bball View Post
                      Gone... but not forgotten....
                      I bet that TV ratings for the Broncos are through the roof this year if motor homes count in the Nielsen ratings.

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                        Hey....
                        Super Bowl XLI Champions
                        2000 Eastern Conference Champions




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                          http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/97...otball-history

                          Ex-teammate: Luck can be greatest

                          RENTON, Wash. -- Seattle Seahawks receiver Doug Baldwin, who played college football at Stanford with Indianapolis Colts quarterback Andrew Luck, believes Luck can become the best quarterback ever.


                          I'm on the record as saying Andrew Luck can be the greatest quarterback who ever played the game of football.

                          -- Doug Baldwin on Andrew Luck
                          "I'm on the record as saying Andrew Luck can be the greatest quarterback who ever played the game of football," Baldwin said Wednesday. "I've seen him do some unbelievable things that I still can't believe a quarterback was able to do. I have tremendous respect for that guy."

                          Luck also has the utmost respect for Baldwin. The Colts play host to Seahawks Sunday at Lucas Oil Stadium.

                          "I always admired Doug's work ethic and his football smarts," Luck said Wednesday. "I remember Doug's last year at Stanford really developing a good rapport with him."

                          Baldwin said he was convinced of Luck's greatness watching him in his NFL rookie season last year.

                          "I don't like to compare guys," Baldwin said. "But when I look at Andrew's rookie season, he took control of a team that really didn't have much around him and he took them to the playoffs. They didn't have a defense and didn't have a running game, but they made it to the playoffs. He had a whole bunch of fourth-quarter comeback victories."

                          Baldwin was asked to list some if the things that make Luck special.

                          "He's everything you would want in a quarterback, both as a pocket passer and a guy who can make plays with his legs," Baldwin said. "He's highly intelligent."

                          Baldwin also emphasized Luck's ability to improvise.

                          "There would be crucial moments of a game [at Stanford] where we needed to make a play," Baldwin said. "He would tell me to go to a specific spot on the field and just throw the ball there. I remember numerous times he would ask me what I saw and we would just makes plays on the fly. We definitely had a great relationship."

                          Baldwin also was asked how Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson compares to Luck.

                          "They're both very good quarterbacks," Baldwin said. "They're both are highly intelligent, both make plays with their feet and both have great arms. I don't want to take it any further than that."

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                            Originally posted by Basketball Fan View Post
                            Baldwin also was asked how Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson compares to Luck.

                            "They're both very good quarterbacks," Baldwin said. "They're both are highly intelligent, both make plays with their feet and both have great arms. I don't want to take it any further than that."
                            In other words: "I don't wanna **** my quarterback off, so I'll just keep my mouth shut."
                            There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.

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                              Re: 2013 Andrew Luck thread

                              Just listening to The Dan Patrick Show. Dan says he heard from those in the know that USC is focusing on James Franklin of Vanderbilt and Pep Hamilton for their next head coach.

                              Who knows if it's true, if anything ever comes from it, or if there is even mutual interest. But if Pep did leave, that would obviously mean Andrew Luck would be on his third coordinator in 3 years..

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