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I actually didn't really think it was appropriate, tbo. It felt like quite a jab at Luck. As big a Manning fan that I am... the Favre-Rodgers debacle had a lot more layers to it. With Manning and Luck... Luck really didn't ahve anything to do with anything, other than be the player Irsay went with to replace Manning. There was no overlap, Luck didn't play in Manning's shadow for years, didn't endure multiple comebacks by Manning.... Why Manning would even relate the two situations was sort of out of place.
It seems like Luck has taken quite a bit of flack in the few clips I've seen of him since the season ended. Got ribbed quite a bit at the Pro Bowl... snubbed for the ROY award... sort of slammed by Manning at the awards ceremony.
I'm glad to see Luck is keeping his composure, it would be easy for a lot of guys to sort of fire back jabs and get stupid, but he's conducting all this crap pretty well. He really does seem like an easy-going guy who just wants to play football and be nice to everyone.Last edited by Kid Minneapolis; 02-05-2013, 12:53 PM.There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league. -
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Speaking of awards, I guess it comes as no surprise that RG3 robbed Luck and Wilson of the award. He had less stats and a worse record, and missed quite a bit of time on a better team. People really do gloss over the fact. RG3 looks cool, acts cool, is way more hyped and has way more marketing presence, and therefore he wins the award. I don't believe the award was given based on football merits, it was based on hype. When you compare the obstacles each faced, the pressure, the actual achievements, and the system each played in, Luck should have been the winner of this award, followed closely by Wilson. It was the only award I didn't agree with this year.There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.Comment
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I think you're looking too deep into it. I thought it was a funny joke that was perfect given that Rodgers and Favre were up there. Of course the Manning/Luck circumstances are different than what happened with Favre and Rodgers, but one simple fact remains: Manning was kicked out the door for Andrew Luck. Therefore, they will always be linked. If last year's draft had this year's players, then we almost certainly would have rolled the dice and kept Manning considering there is no great QB prospect this year. Peyton Manning was fired because we wanted Andrew Luck. It certainly looks like we made the right choice, but it was indeed a firing. Manning and Luck will always be linked together.
As far as getting ribbed at the pro-bowl, that's just a right of passage for a rookie. Any rookie pro-bowler is going to get clowned on. It's all in good fun. Luck will be the one doing the ribbing someday.Comment
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Huh? I thought Manning was just making the connection between two great Packers QBs and two great Colts QBs and the connection that Rodgers did follow Favre and Luck is following Peyton. There's no way around that. If anything I think Peyton is giving Luck praise. If Rodgers ended up sucking he wouldn't have been up there presenting that award.
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Heh, I don't think that at all. Everyone knew of the animosity between Rodgers and Favre back then, and their appearing on stage together was a sort of burying of the hatchet... hence why Favre tentatively patted Rodgers back and Rodgers said "that was awkward." I don't see that correlation at all between Manning and Luck. If you really thought it wasn't about that, then why does Luck have that look on his face, lol.... a sort of "wow... can't believe he just said that." I'm reading exactly what I'm reading, there.
I'll buy that he's a rookie and rookies get ribbed... I'll go with that. I'll buy that Manning and Luck will be forever linked... but the situation was completely different from Favre/Rodgers. I still felt the Manning comment was a tad over the line.Last edited by Kid Minneapolis; 02-05-2013, 01:37 PM.There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.Comment
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I was waiting for this thread/post last week
I could write paragraph after paragraph but it would be a waste of time.
All 3 had a good year, and I would not have knocked Luck had he won, but Luck came to a team that had talent, lost a great QB, and then got a great QB in Luck and won against some crappy teams.
I actually thought Wilson deserved it more then Luck, and RG3 would have and should have won.
People like to point out how great our team was, yet our defense was one of the worst, especially when it came to pass coverage and the fact half of our d-line was injured
In short, RG3 should have and did win. And it had nothing to do with being "cool" or "overhyped" or "overmarketed".Comment
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You keep saying that but it's wrong. The Colts were not that stacked with talent this year. You could say the ones we drafted proved good value and had an excellent season as rookies but that's it. OL joke most of the time bar Castonzo. Receivers, only Reggie was proven value. DL granted has had Redding mainly as their leader and then Mathis, Freeney (who suffered in the new 3-4 scheme) from LBs . Bethea kinda shocking year and from CB's only Davis played really well.Comment
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I don't really care who wins ROY, but teams that have talent don't go 2-14. Manning hid how awful the roster was for years.
And either way, Grigson turned over something like 65% of the roster. Hell half the offense were rookies.Comment
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No doubt Manning hid a lot, which is part of the reason why I consider him one of the greatest QB's I got to see play (and I caught him once live....it was awesome. Same as with Farve).
I agree about the turnover, and maybe it is just me but I felt like a large majority of the rookie class this year really performed well or overperformed (hell, Morris for us was a huge shock, but a welcome addition)Comment
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And the 35% holdovers had to learn a completely new offensive or defensive system. Even the Colts stars, Wayne, Freeney, and Mathis all had their roles drastically changed from what made them elite, Pro Bowl level players.
Regarding the ROY, Luck, RG3, and Wilson all played exceptionally well. Each of them had strong arguments on why they should have won. I think Luck is and will be the better player, I think he had less support this year (defense, running game, protection), and I think he should have won the award if I had any say in the matter. But I also don't think he was robbed or screwed over either. RG3 had a heck of a year. But in the end, the only award I really care for is the Super Bowl MVP.Last edited by bunt; 02-06-2013, 01:38 PM.Comment
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Your defense was one of the worst? Our defense was the worst
I was waiting for this thread/post last week
I could write paragraph after paragraph but it would be a waste of time.
All 3 had a good year, and I would not have knocked Luck had he won, but Luck came to a team that had talent, lost a great QB, and then got a great QB in Luck and won against some crappy teams.
I actually thought Wilson deserved it more then Luck, and RG3 would have and should have won.
People like to point out how great our team was, yet our defense was one of the worst, especially when it came to pass coverage and the fact half of our d-line was injured
In short, RG3 should have and did win. And it had nothing to do with being "cool" or "overhyped" or "overmarketed".
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It has absolutely EVERYTHING to do with why he won.
I was waiting for this thread/post last week
I could write paragraph after paragraph but it would be a waste of time.
All 3 had a good year, and I would not have knocked Luck had he won, but Luck came to a team that had talent, lost a great QB, and then got a great QB in Luck and won against some crappy teams.
I actually thought Wilson deserved it more then Luck, and RG3 would have and should have won.
People like to point out how great our team was, yet our defense was one of the worst, especially when it came to pass coverage and the fact half of our d-line was injured
In short, RG3 should have and did win. And it had nothing to do with being "cool" or "overhyped" or "overmarketed".
RG3 has ability, he has persona... but he is also hype and fool's gold. It's not hate... it's not a racist sentiment... it's not a regional sentiment. It's not a homer sentiment. I don't even hate the guy. I actually think he's alright, personally, and from a football ability perspective. I don't mostly blame HIM for why he won the award over guys that I think deserve it more, except for the massive image he built around himself --- I blame the ignorance of uninformed people who voted him in, who don't know what to truly look for or take context into account, who can't look past hype and image and vote on actual context..
The minute that the pundits start throwing around phrases like "he's going to revolutionize the position", I immediately become skeptical, because guys who are annointed to revolutionize the position, never do --- Michael Vick was given this same title 10 years ago... the guys who actually revolutionize the position are guys who have already done so, and we the observers realize it in retrospect. Manning revolutionized it without being predicted that he would do so. One year we all just looked back and around and realized --- wow Manning is doing this. He's revolutionized the position. He did it without a 4.2 40-yard dash. He did it without Brett Favre's arm. He did it without a 4-foot vertical. Somewhere in the early 2000s, most of us looked around and thought: "He's up there gyrating around and motioning and moving guys and he's not receiving plays from his coach --- he's running his own offense and he's outsmarting Bill Belichick. No one else is doing that. That's..... ridiculous. That's..... amazing. He's... I dunno...... revolutionzed the quarterback position." It wasn't something that was predicted of him in 1998 when we drafted him.
My sentiment regarding RG3 is a sentiment based on football ability and what I see from RG3's conduct, his ability that he does put on display, and what I know about the game of football. I don't mindlessly buy the hype around the guy. I think he's pretty good. That's it. But America thinks he's a demi-God. That is a image that is not sustainable on his part. He cannot keep up that image forever, and mark my words --- it's an image. He's built up this incredible image that makes people believe he's better than he actually is. He's already breaking under the pressure, in this case, physically.
I've said that from the beginning. I questioned the long-term effectiveness of the offense he runs... I questioned his ability to get out and run the way he does for an entire career, and he didn't even make it through his first season (I don't wish harm on the kid, it was an observation from watching him, he is in love with the flash of the bulb when he gets out and runs, and he has no idea how to avoid collisions. I knew that it would result in injuries). I question his ability to grasp a pro-style offense, which I believe will HAVE to do eventually, even if people are starting to actually buy into the long-term effectiveness of those option offenses. Kaepernick is another guy who is going to get lost in the shuffle down the road. He is almost identical to RG3, but has a monster o-line to operate behind and Frank Gore is a beast. It was Kaepernick-mania leading up to the SB, and you mark my words, from what I've seen, he's not a long-term option in this league. He will have his moment, though.
The one thing I credit RG3 for is restoring the faith of the Redskins fanbase, he gives them something exciting to think about and for that I can completely understand. He IS exciting. He IS cool. But it's not going to last... they need to look into the future and build this thing properly. Shanahan didn't do that --- he almost broke RG3 right off the bat in his first season. The organization is saying one thing (that they're going down a new path now), when in actuality, I think they are going down a destructive path. Washington lost draft resources to acquire him and I think it will come back to bite them. They signed some guys to expensive contracts... they are already $4mill over the cap for 2013. Seattle has 18mil to play with --- Indianapolis has $46million to play with this next season. This is going to have a huge impact and it HAD a massive impact this past year. The media and fans didn't look at that, didn't realize that Luck was working with SO LITTLE. What that should tell the smart fans out there was that Indy was working with a ton of dead money --- essentially earning 11 wins with a tiny actual payroll, and says even more about the kind of impact Luck actually had. This all opens up next year AND they have an almost full draft to use. I look at the skillset of Tannehill and see good things in Miami... and they have 35+ mill in cap space this next season, they have the centerpiece and they have the resources to put pieces around him. The 'skins are missing the next two 1st-round picks, and are $4 million over the cap. Their quarterback crumpled like a paper sack to the ground and is facing a long recovery. What are they going to do?
There are red flags going up all over the place for me in regards to the 'Skins and how they are proceeding forth with this entire thing. Looking into the future, they have little to work with... a broken down rookie quarterback... it's not pretty. That's not the image they are projecting, however. They act like the sky's the limit. It's dangerous.
People didn't take into account the down-field, complicated, risky offense that Indy ran, putting Luck in positions to execute much more complicated completions (and for the most part actually pulling it off). They just looked at the safe offense that the 'Skins ran and said "wow, RG3 had 49 less interceptions than Luck, he must be better."
RG3 wasn't what everyone thought he was this year. I believe Luck and Wilson were the two actual talents that entered this league this year. I would even be acceptable of Wilson earning the ROY over Luck moreso than RG3. I know you don't want to hear that and don't believe me now... that's fine. I don't expect you to.
Bottom line is, he didn't even beat Wilson in the playoffs, and he was at home. Fact is, Wilson had better stats, more wins, (and this is my own opinion), but is just a flat-out better quarterback from pure observation (same with Luck, who I think shows the most of any of them). Fact is, Luck took a 2-14 team that experienced a 65% overhauled roster using only a fraction of their cap space, played in Manning's shadow, broke numerous rookie passing records, still won more games while his head coach had cancer, having 9 come from behind wins, while actually calling almost all of his own plays from week 10 on. Fact is, RG3 didn't last a full season, had less wins, yardage, and touchdowns than either one, and also missed more time. RG3 wasn't the best rookie this year.
Guess who won the award?
So with all this laid out, and the fact that most people were willing to be blind to it... and the fact that he still won the award... what else is there to point to other than hype and marketing?Last edited by Kid Minneapolis; 02-06-2013, 06:07 PM.There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.Comment
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RG3 is not fools gold.
He may be over hyped by the media, but he put up numbers and did his job.
The Redskins are in "so much danger" that when RG3 got hit with a freak injury the team was still able to win the NFL east, have a huge winning streak with major injuries, and make the playoffs for the first time since 1999. With RG at probably 60-70%. Yeah buddy, I semm disaster
RG3 had to learn how to slide. He did not brake under pressure. Unless you mean him getting hurt on a freak play. But if that is the case then Manning and Brees broke by getting hurt in their careers as well..........
Shanny made some stupid decisions.
We are over the cap. Guess what. We normally are. Lets see how things look after cuts and after all our guys restructure their contracts (which happens every off season)
Funny Kapernick had a great year, and yet people still dont want to give him credit. He could have won SB MVP and people would say "its all flash, it wont last". I hope you, and this site, and still around in 10 years so I can look back and say "I told you so".
You always questioned the offense, and even when it worked you knocked it. I think we all get it. You dont like it. Hell, TPTB even changed the offense. Of course I can predict your next line "he wont be able to learn or run a "real" NFL offense.
The Skins are able to trade...if they need to. Oh, and the QB is projected to be back for opening game. But if not, we have this other rookie who can tide us over. and please dont waste your time telling us how Cousins is a better option then RG3. I literally laugh out loud every time you spew that crap. The sad thing is you probably believe that ****.
I would even be acceptable of Wilson earning the ROY over Luck moreso than RG3. But he didnt. He lost. I know you don't want to hear that and I know you dont want to accept it;.. that's fine. I don't expect you to. Just like I dont expect you to EVER comment on how RG3 thanks Morris and congratulated him during his acceptance speech. That does not fit well with your RG3 is overhyped and nothing but full of himself crap, so of course you would never mention that
Bottom line is he seriously injured, and the team actually started hot then got burned by the terrible defense they had all yaer. But sure, you can blame it all on the QB. The guy who was hobbling and playing like a warrior. For one thing in this post I may actually agree with you, RG3 needs to stop trying to be a hero and put his health first before the team. But I can live with him not doing that one year....a lot better then having a QB who doesnt give 2 ***** about the organizations and his teammates
Face is RG3 took a team that played an extremely tough schedule, tougher then the Seahawks or Colts, and won more games then he lost. Face is he is the QB of the NFCE champs and face is he took us to the playoffs for the first time in 14 years. My opinion is he is better then Luck and Wilson, and FACT IS he DID win the ROY award.
In short, RG3 got the ROY. Not Luck, not Wilson, RG3. and he earned every bit of it.
Except for your blind homerism, nothing. But facts be damned. Why let them get in the way of a good story?So with all this laid out, and the fact that most people were willing to be blind to it... and the fact that he still won the award... what else is there to point to other than hype and marketing?
- Named offensive Team co-Captain (mid season)
- Earning that "C" by leading the Redskins to our first NFC East Division Title in 12 years and
- First Playoff Berth in 5 years.
- Named to Pro Bowl 2012 (Only non-specialist Rookie selected as either a Starter or Reserve -- A.Luck and R.Wilson were subsequently chosen as Alternates)
- Led the Skins to the 5th Best NFL Offense (YPG per NFL.com, 3rd highest in NFC, highest Rookie-led team)
- 3rd Best Passer Rating in NFL for 2012 regular season (behind only A.Rodgers and P.Manning highest for a Rookie)
- Set NFL Record for Highest Season Passer Rating by Rookie (held by Big Ben in 2004)
- Tied for Best Season Interception Rate in the NFL (tied for No. 1 with T.Brady)
- Set NFL Record for Best Season Interception Rate by Rookie (1.3 interception rate)
- Set NFL Record for Rushing Yards by Rookie QB (815 yards)
- First player in NFL history to compile 300-plus passing yards, two or more passing touchdowns and no interceptions in a record breaking NFL debut (vs. Saints in our season opener, finished with Passer Rating of 139.9)
- QB'd the NFL's 59th "Perfect Game" (perfect passer rating of 158.3) vs. the Eagles on Nov. 18, '12 (only 2nd Rookie ever to accomplish this in NFL history)
- Named 7 time Offensive Rookie of the Week in the 2012 season (most by any Rookie)
- Named 2 time Offensive Player of the Week in the 2012 season (most by any Rookie)
- Named 2 time Offensive Player of the Month in the 2012 season (most by any Rookie)
- Named 7 time Pepsi Rookie of the Week in the 2012 season (most by any Rookie)
- Named Sporting News Rookie of the Year 2012
- Named PFW/PFWA Rookie of the Year 2012
- Named AP NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year 2012
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