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  • Re: Breaking News: The Polians have been fired

    I'm not going to be surprised if Dungy receives a phone call... if he hasn't already. That could be one reason Caldwell is still here. I bet Irsay at least gauges Dungy's interest in the GM/President's spot. In fact. if Dungy was to say he'd be interested I'm not sure if the search and further interviews would even continue. That's not what I'd call the ideal scenario but I think it's possible.

    I don't know how Dungy would perform as a GM. I suspect loyal to a fault and slow to react would come into play. OTOH, that loyalty might mean he gives the coaches the players they need to improve the defense and ST's. But it also means we likely will see Caldwell return so game management and adjustments could still be an issue.

    The Tampa Two likely would remain.... but maybe we could upsize a little. The undersized defense remained after Dungy left so perhaps that falls more onto Polian.
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    • Re: Breaking News: The Polians have been fired

      Irsay better hurry up if he wants his choice of the best available. Get that new GM hired quick!

      Former Tennessee Titans coach Jeff Fisher will interview with the Miami Dolphins and St. Louis Rams within the next week as he begins his return to the NFL, a league source told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter.

      Fisher will interview with the Dolphins in Florida within the next 24 to 48 hours and with the Rams later in the week, the source said.

      The Dolphins fired coach Tony Sparano on Dec. 12 and general manager Jeff Ireland and owner Stephen Ross confirmed Monday that the team has begun the search for its next coach.

      Chicago Bears special teams coordinator Dave Toub will interview for the job, a league source confirmed to ESPNChicago.com's Jeff Dickerson. The New York Daily News reported the Dolphins also are interested in talking to New York Jets defensive coordinator Mike Pettine.

      The Rams fired coach Steve Spagnuolo and general manager Billy Devaney on Monday and both Fisher and former Buccaneers and Raiders coach Jon Gruden have been mentioned in connection with the opening. However, Gruden, currently an analyst for ESPN, has said he is remaining with ESPN and the "Monday Night Football" broadcast team.

      Fisher sat out the entire 2011 season after being fired by the Titans in January. He had served as coach of the franchise for 16 full seasons, including before the Titans moved from Houston to Tennessee
      http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/74...-st-louis-rams

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      • Re: Breaking News: The Polians have been fired

        Originally posted by Ownagedood View Post
        Irsay better hurry up if he wants his choice of the best available. Get that new GM hired quick!


        http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/74...-st-louis-rams
        Well that doesn't mention Bill Cowher so I'm not worried yet. Man I never thought I'd say I wanted Cowher here, but it's kinda how I would have felt if the Pacers ever signed Ben Wallace. You cant stand the sonofa***** until he's on your team.

        But with Cowher.....I'm ready to watch some smashmouth defense.
        Ever notice how friendly folks are at a shootin' range??.

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        • Re: Breaking News: The Polians have been fired

          Smart of Miami to make Fisher feel welcome. Funny that Tampa isn't mentioned as a preferred destination.
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          • Re: Breaking News: The Polians have been fired

            Originally posted by Bball View Post
            I'm not going to be surprised if Dungy receives a phone call... if he hasn't already. That could be one reason Caldwell is still here. I bet Irsay at least gauges Dungy's interest in the GM/President's spot. In fact. if Dungy was to say he'd be interested I'm not sure if the search and further interviews would even continue. That's not what I'd call the ideal scenario but I think it's possible.

            I don't know how Dungy would perform as a GM. I suspect loyal to a fault and slow to react would come into play. OTOH, that loyalty might mean he gives the coaches the players they need to improve the defense and ST's. But it also means we likely will see Caldwell return so game management and adjustments could still be an issue.

            The Tampa Two likely would remain.... but maybe we could upsize a little. The undersized defense remained after Dungy left so perhaps that falls more onto Polian.
            I wouldn't be surprised if Irsay made a call to Dungy but I doubt Dungy takes the job. Dungy likes devoting time to his family and charities. He has money. His TV job only requires him to work once a week and probably pays him well. And his family won't want to leave Tampa.

            Dungy, like Cowher, is happy where he is.

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            • Re: Breaking News: The Polians have been fired

              He better get a move on. The Bears just fired Angelo too.

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              • Re: Breaking News: The Polians have been fired

                Yeah, we hired Dungy on January 22, 2002. We don't want to waste too much time, especially since it's likely that Caldwell will be gone anyway. I have a hard time believing any GM will want to keep Caldwell around.

                Anyway you slice it, our coaching position is an attractive position. You either have Peyton Manning or Andrew Luck, and there's no threat of the Polian's hovering over you. I'd hate to miss out on a good hire because we screwed around too long in doing the inevitable with Caldwell.

                Maybe I'm wrong and we'll actually retain Caldwell, but I'd be stunned if that happened.

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                • Re: Breaking News: The Polians have been fired

                  Originally posted by Ownagedood View Post
                  Irsay better hurry up if he wants his choice of the best available. Get that new GM hired quick!


                  http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/74...-st-louis-rams
                  FWIW Irsay said last night on the Polain show (ironic) that he would hire a coach before a GM if a great coach was available.

                  ITs not ideal but he's more the willing to hire a coach first then the GM second.

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                  • Re: Breaking News: The Polians have been fired

                    The other teams will prolly be fighting over the legendary Polians to be their next GM's. Suckers.

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                    • Re: Breaking News: The Polians have been fired

                      I bet the Bears call the Polians. Does anyone else find it strange that Angelo looked pretty safe yet again and then is suddenly fired a day after Polian?

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                      • Re: Breaking News: The Polians have been fired

                        Originally posted by Ownagedood View Post
                        The other teams will prolly be fighting over the legendary Polians to be their next GM's. Suckers.
                        LOL. Other team's employees are probably cringing at the thought. I hear the Polians rule every aspect of the team with an iron fist and that everybody in the organization has to walk on glass. I am so glad that arrogant a## got shipped out of town.

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                        • Re: Breaking News: The Polians have been fired

                          Sometimes change is needed and I think it was needed badly here. I know that a lot of the players are coming out in support of coach Caldwell as well, but I think the new GM will want his coach in there.

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                          • Re: Breaking News: The Polians have been fired

                            Originally posted by jeffg-body View Post
                            Sometimes change is needed and I think it was needed badly here. I know that a lot of the players are coming out in support of coach Caldwell as well, but I think the new GM will want his coach in there.
                            I hope so. Nothing against JC I like the man but we need a different kind of personality here after two low key play it safe vanilla coaches here.

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                            • Re: Breaking News: The Polians have been fired

                              Polian apparently regularly treated lots of people in the Colts organization like crap
                              while putting on a smily face when he wanted to, for PR purposes.

                              This blog entry at the Star basically describes working with him as "living in fear"

                              http://blogs.indystar.com/philb/2012...ear/#more-3666

                              Polian dismissal means no more fear

                              I took a day to digest what happened Monday at the Colts complex. It’s no secret vice chairman Bill Polian didn’t care for the local media. I thought it wise to sleep on what should be written to put his firing in perspective. I didn’t want this blog to come off like one final salvo, but it probably will anyway for those in the pro-Polian camp. So be it.

                              Polian took the Indianapolis Colts places they have never been. He built an unprecedented winner, thanks in large part to his first draft selection of QB Peyton Manning. He was the architect for a memorable Super Bowl run. And, yes, Bill Polian will one day be enshrined in the Pro Football Hall of Fame in Canton, Ohio.

                              Those are the obvious facts. But there’s so much more people don’t know.I had a friend who landed a job with the Colts many years ago. The first time we ran into each other in a complex hallway, I congratulated him. All I received was a nod as he kept walking. I didn’t know what to think. After the work day, my friend phoned to apologize.

                              “You understand why I can’t stop and talk to you in the building,” he said.

                              I didn’t.

                              He was afraid Polian would see us exchanging pleasantries.

                              “He hates all of us, too,” the friend said.

                              That stuck with me. I couldn’t get that memory out of my head when we learned Polian and his son, Chris, were fired.

                              There are other stories, too, stories that don’t get mentioned when trying to explain why a six-time NFL Executive of the Year would be given a pink slip after one incredibly bad 2-14 season. Owner Jim Irsay does have class. He can make reference to “deficiencies” without saying anything more. He knew that we knew, those of us who have been there for years.

                              I was reminded recently about how a former Colts player was in a hallway, talking to a then-current player, when Polian walked up. The boss didn’t care for the former player, and refused to acknowledge the man’s presence. A short time later, a nearby phone rang. The current player explained the former player had to leave.

                              I was tempted to call a friend connected with the City who has had dealings with Polian for the 14 years the Colts boss was here. This friend often advised he had some serious stories to share as soon as Polian was gone. But I resisted the temptation. I can imagine. No need for details.

                              Most who question why a proven football man was shown the door weren’t on the receiving end of such rude treatment. It goes beyond not liking the media, folks. I couldn’t care less about that, aside from wanting to make the man accountable for the sake of fans who have every right to expect me to know information and share it with them. When Polian disrespected the fans for questioning the infamous Jets sitdown decision in 2009, when he alone (I believe) decided at 14-0 that perfection was a meaningless pursuit, that crossed a line. Don’t insult the people who have spent so much money to give you such a great life. That goes beyond arguing a debatable football decision.

                              As Irsay said in Monday’s presser, you should listen to the fans. It sure helps to be respectful, if for no other reason in that position than public opinion. You don’t have to do everything they say. There’s truth to an old Polian statement about how a front-office boss who listens to fans’ advice will end up sitting with them. But by listen, I guess I mean at least hear them out, and not just on a screened-caller basis for a radio show to spin half-truths and lies. It never hurts to be polite.

                              That’s what confounds me about the man, to be honest. I saw the other side of Polian, too, when he charmed a room of people at a Downtown civic luncheon. He is an outstanding speaker. If I didn’t know how much he despised me, he would be the kind of old-school guy who could motivate me to run through a wall, back up, and do it again. He can be that convincing. If I was in a serious scrap, I’d want that guy on my side.

                              But the NFL is popular and big business because of fans. It’s successful because teams work as such, as a team, and that includes every employee of the operation. There’s such a thing as being professional, even with those you don’t like. It’s nothing short of a travesty that so many over the years lived in fear at West 56th Street. Sometimes, when learning of a new story depicting the man’s rage and harshness, I would wonder how Irsay could tolerate his people being subjected to this.

                              I’m guessing it’s because Polian was, at least for much of his career, exceptional at his job. And if we’ve learned anything from following sports through the years, sometimes the flawed get a pass for their “deficiencies.” But we’ve also seen, as was the case with legendary but volatile Indiana University men’s basketball coach Bob Knight, time has a way of catching up to these people. I’m convinced it did to Polian on Monday.

                              There’s no doubt Irsay was in a bit of a pickle regarding Chris Polian. I don’t think the owner had enough faith in Polian’s son to run the franchise. Mistakes have been made. They have been obvious. We don’t know how many were on Chris. Some were. But Bill signed off on each and every one of them. So how do you ask the father to get rid of the son? You can’t. That’s why both were fired, in my opinion.

                              But I can’t help but think this move was about more than that. I’ve always found Irsay to be a cool customer, someone who will take the time to listen to others. He has been most gracious with me. It’s nothing short of unusual but I’m sure appreciated that he takes so much time to interact with fans on Twitter. His generosity can never be questioned. Those who don’t like him don’t know him. Criticize his decisions all you want, but he does care. He gets it. Polian didn’t. Not really. Irsay eventually reached his limit.

                              Polian’s excellence masked, what I think, a tremendous insecurity I will never understand. Yeah, it has to be nothing short of maddening to have people question you when there’s no doubt you know more about your business than they could ever know. But it’s not like us common folks who worry about paying the bills each month can’t relate to that in some way. Some know more, some don’t. If there’s anything I’ve learned from doing countless online chats and interacting with fans, it’s that you try to respect their feelings, even those expressed with a cruelty that reminds me of a seething Polian. Easy to knee-jerk react to that. I’ve been guilty. It’s in my nature to scrap. But I’m getting older and trying, every day, to realize losing the temper gets me nowhere with anyone. It just makes people afraid.

                              Personally, I will never be more afraid then as a child. I’ve seen abuse and dysfunction that would scar anyone. It wasn’t until my 30s that I put that to bed, so to speak, and retired the chip on the shoulder. At some point, you must learn and grow. If you can’t, the bitterness will be an undoing. The rage must be kept in check. It can be an ongoing challenge.

                              It is my sincerest hope that somehow, some way, Bill Polian finds some serenity and peace in his post-Colts life. I hope he can learn to appreciate people more and treat them with the kindness they deserve.

                              That hope replaces a half-baked notion, one I often thought of for years, that we would one day just sit down in a room and shout it out, make our points, and then figure out a way to move ahead and get to what was important — me respecting the job he had to do and getting some semblance of the same consideration from him. But I learned the hard way that was a naive vision. One one-on-one interview in 11 years told me where I stood. Just recently in an impromptu podium visit that surprised us all, I asked two questions and got five terse words in response. OK, yeah, I get it.

                              There are those who will take pleasure in what has happened. After a day to reflect, I choose to resist that temptation as well. There’s just no healthy reason to be bitter. I choose to try to learn and grow from the continually challenging experience of dealing with the man.

                              I hope others, those who lived and worked in fear for the Colts, can do so as well.

                              He’s gone. Put it to bed. Move on.

                              Trust me, you’ll enjoy the rest of your lives a lot more.
                              The poster "pacertom" since this forum began (and before!). I changed my name here to "Slick Pinkham" in honor of the imaginary player That Bobby "Slick" Leonard picked late in the 1971 ABA draft (true story!).

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                              • Re: Breaking News: The Polians have been fired

                                Ya thats a big reason why i began to hate the Polians.. Last couple years i began hearing little things here and there that pointed to him being very controlling and not letting coaches do what they wanted at times.. Which in my opinion is why Larry Coyer was so bad.. I remember us being really excited when he came in, hes more of an aggressive, blitz from different sides coach... That's what we thought we were getting. Instead, we got Polian controlling him and keeping us in a crappy non aggressive cover 2, backing way off of receivers and not blitzing enough. Coyer was just the scapegoat.

                                That's also why such greats like Tom Moore and Howard Mudd left.. It wasn't actually old age, to retire, they both went to different teams.

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