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  • #31
    Re: The Saints are Dirty

    Well, I guess I will add another thought...

    As a fan of the Colts, I want them to be the very best. That means playing the best and beating them AT THEIR BEST. That doesn't mean deliver cheap hits to try and knock out the best QB of all time so that it is easier to beat the Colts. It means figuring out how to stop Manning & Co. and then executing that plan and actually DOING IT.

    Reverse my thinking and I can tell you that I wouldn't feel nearly as good about beating the Saints for the title if our defense knocked Drew Brees out of the game on the first series.

    I just think it is dumb to say, and I'm not stating whether the coach was talking about illegal hits or if that was inferred by a scrub journalist looking for sensationalism. There is just no place for trying to scare someone into not playing their hardest, or for hitting someone in a way that draws a penalty and doing it on purpose. That is the pansy way out, and basically admitting that you can't beat them on equal footing.

    Fine. I don't think the Saints can beat them on equal footing either. All those statements do is confirm that they believe it too.



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    • #32
      Re: The Saints are Dirty

      I think The Saints aren’t even as dirty as their fans.





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      • #33
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        I hope Freeney gets a good, clean hit on Brees and knocks him into next week.

        I hope somebody from the Saints gets a good, clean hit on Manning and knocks him into next week.

        Football gets awfully boring if there isn't pressure on the QB. The QB is a football player, too. These protect-the-QB "superstar" rules have changed football for the worse just as the extra-step allowed in the NBA has done.

        Or else put a red jersey on them and change the name of the sport to something else. Pansy-ball or something.

        I understand there has to be some type of roughing the passer penalty. But the current rules cause way too many defensive players to stop short of smacking the QB as he throws for fear of a stupid flag being thrown on a good football play.

        If you only give an offensive player one step in basketball, its a blocking foul. Everybody knows the offensive player can't stop in one step. Defensive players should be allowed two steps into the QB without a flag. And if they take three steps, go ahead and eject them. I'm not saying "anything goes."

        I would not consider most of the fouls called on the defense when rushing the QB to be "dirty". You try running full speed at a somewhat-mobile target while being blocked and then stop in a single step.

        Hitting a QB out of bounds? That's dirty. Hitting a QB on the field of play? That's Football. Knocking any player into next week? That's Football.
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        • #34
          Re: The Saints are Dirty

          I can totally agree with what Jay just wrote.

          The only thing I can add is that regardless of how I feel about the current set of rules, they apply equally to both teams, and they have no choice but to play by them.



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          • #35
            Re: The Saints are Dirty

            I don't understand why the NFL isn't quicker to eject players. IMO if you start **** with another player and either slow the game down by getting into an elongated shouting match or somehow attack another player, you should be out of the game. Anyone that needs to be separated from somebody needs to be sent out. No one wants to see that crap.
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            • #36
              Re: The Saints are Dirty

              Forgive me, those who want this thread to be about on-the-field action instead of culture. But this is interesting:


              Big controversy in Livingston Parish, LA at this hour, as a high school student is claiming that he was sent home by his principal for wearing an Indianapolis Colts jersey during the schools' Black-and-Gold Day to honor the Saints. Now the ACLU is involved, saying that Brandon Frost, a senior at Maurepas High School, had his civil liberties violated when he was told his Colts jersey was inappropriate attire. All students were encouraged to wear Saints jerseys to school today. Key quote:
              "The principal came and got me out of class," Frost said. "He started to get angry with me. After that, all I really remember him telling me was if I like Indiana so much, why don't I move back to Indiana."
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              • #37
                Re: The Saints are Dirty

                Awesome! Good work, Putty!



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                • #38
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                  I love idiots who ruin it for their upstanding peers. Thanks, Principal Jackass.

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                  • #39
                    Re: The Saints are Dirty

                    Originally posted by ChicagoJ View Post
                    Hitting a QB out of bounds? That's dirty. Hitting a QB on the field of play? That's Football. Knocking any player into next week? That's Football.
                    Well put but then again the qb is the only guy who can't protect himself at all times. The defense literally uses dirty tricks all the time which are IMO not in the name of competiveness but just flat out cheap tactics. I mean pinning a qbs arm down while you drive his shoulder into the ground to separate it is the very definition of cheap tactic. That ruins the competiveness of the sport, IMO.

                    All sports adjust to protect the players. In boxing its the no hitting on the back of the head. In basketball its no undercutting or clotheslining.

                    You may say that the qb rules are selective but defensive linemen have rules for them too so they don't get hurt. Tripping, leg whipping, cut blocking etc etc. ITs all to protect the players and increase the competiveness of the game so why make such a big deal about limiting cheap tactics?
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                    • #40
                      Re: The Saints are Dirty

                      Originally posted by colorfulflowers View Post
                      I think The Saints arenít even as dirty as their fans.




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                      Three of my friends on Facebook have made a satellite image of Hurricane Katrina headed to New Orleans with a huge Colts logo in the eye their profile image.

                      Colts fans have absolutely nothing to say concerning the words dirty or classless, as far as I'm concerned.

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                      • #41
                        Re: The Saints are Dirty

                        Originally posted by Eindar View Post
                        Three of my friends on Facebook have made a satellite image of Hurricane Katrina headed to New Orleans with a huge Colts logo in the eye their profile image.

                        Colts fans have absolutely nothing to say concerning the words dirty or classless, as far as I'm concerned.
                        The classy Colts fans can call the dirty or classless Saints fans dirty or classless all day long, as can the classy Saints fans with regards to dirty or classless Colts fans.

                        No fan is glued at the hip to another.

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                        • #42
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                          Originally posted by Hicks View Post
                          The classy Colts fans can call the dirty or classless Saints fans dirty or classless all day long, as can the classy Saints fans with regards to dirty or classless Colts fans.

                          No fan is glued at the hip to another.
                          Exactly, you can't just lump one group of people with the rest.
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                          • #43
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                            Originally posted by Lord Helmet View Post
                            Exactly, you can't just lump one group of people with the rest.
                            So, nobody rebukes the poster for saying that all Saints players are dirty, and they're not nearly as dirty as (all) of their fans, without any substantiation whatsoever. But when I mention that I've seen multiple instances of classless behavior on the part of Colts fans, this most recent being the most egregious, I'm told that one can't make such broad generalizations?

                            So far, we've got one Colts fan being sent home from school and a few late hits/physical play vs. an assault on a Jets fan by a Colts fan and multiple people making light of a natural disaster that killed thousands and lead to the injury, assault, and rape of thousands more, as well as bringing an entire geographic region to its knees.

                            Feel free to bring me more evidence of Saints fans acting in poor taste towards the Colts, their fans, or humanity in general, but currently, I call it how I see it, and Colts fans are behaving terribly as a group.

                            Exceptions don't make the rule, but they do stand out. Pot, meet kettle.

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                            • #44
                              Re: The Saints are Dirty

                              Originally posted by Eindar View Post
                              So, nobody rebukes the poster for saying that all Saints players are dirty, and they're not nearly as dirty as (all) of their fans, without any substantiation whatsoever. But when I mention that I've seen multiple instances of classless behavior on the part of Colts fans, this most recent being the most egregious, I'm told that one can't make such broad generalizations?

                              So far, we've got one Colts fan being sent home from school and a few late hits/physical play vs. an assault on a Jets fan by a Colts fan and multiple people making light of a natural disaster that killed thousands and lead to the injury, assault, and rape of thousands more, as well as bringing an entire geographic region to its knees.

                              Feel free to bring me more evidence of Saints fans acting in poor taste towards the Colts, their fans, or humanity in general, but currently, I call it how I see it, and Colts fans are behaving terribly as a group.

                              Exceptions don't make the rule, but they do stand out. Pot, meet kettle.
                              Look, I've skimmed this thread, because once I actually saw Mr. William's quote, it wasn't really that bad, IMO. IMO, I wouldn't be running my mouth the least bit, but he hasn't done anything wrong from what I've heard.

                              For the record, I did think a lot of this thread was silly and we didn't really have much to ***** about from Mr. Williams' words. So, no, we don't need to be calling every Saints player dirty.

                              All teams have trashy fans, apparently a Saints fan was mocking Dungy's son's suicide on Coltsfreaks. Yeah, that's just one piece of "evidence," but there is my point.
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                              • #45
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                                Originally posted by Eindar View Post
                                So, nobody rebukes the poster for saying that all Saints players are dirty, and they're not nearly as dirty as (all) of their fans, without any substantiation whatsoever. But when I mention that I've seen multiple instances of classless behavior on the part of Colts fans, this most recent being the most egregious, I'm told that one can't make such broad generalizations?

                                So far, we've got one Colts fan being sent home from school and a few late hits/physical play vs. an assault on a Jets fan by a Colts fan and multiple people making light of a natural disaster that killed thousands and lead to the injury, assault, and rape of thousands more, as well as bringing an entire geographic region to its knees.

                                Feel free to bring me more evidence of Saints fans acting in poor taste towards the Colts, their fans, or humanity in general, but currently, I call it how I see it, and Colts fans are behaving terribly as a group.

                                Exceptions don't make the rule, but they do stand out. Pot, meet kettle.
                                And how do you come to this well-researched conclusion? With your amazing sample set of like 5 cases in a situation where you're talking about millions of fans? Give me a break.

                                There are always going to be ******** on both sides of the equation, because there is a certain percentage of Americans who are ******** and see nothing as sacred. The numbers of ******* Colts fans vs. the number of ******* Saints fans are probably about equal because both of these groups are subsets of a larger group known as the human race.

                                I have been harassed at Colts away games in both Pittsburgh and Baltimore, but does that mean even though personal experience that I think all of these fans are jerks? No, because most of the fans either talked **** with me in a funny, non-combative way or did nothing at all. Kind of like how most of your friends on facebook, who I'm guess are likely rooting for the Colts in the Super Bowl, dismissed that stupid picture you are talking about.

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