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What has to happen for you to NOT blame Caldwell if the Colts don't win...

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  • What has to happen for you to NOT blame Caldwell if the Colts don't win...

    1) The next two games
    2) The first playoff game
    3) The AFC game
    4) The Super Bowl

    No, not all together, but take it one layer at a time. In other words, #1, but not necessarily 2-4, or #2, but not necessarily 1, 3 and 4, and/or #3, but not necessarily 1 and 4.

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    Re: What has to happen for you to NOT blame Caldwell if the Colts don't win...

    Sorry Hicks, no layers for me. I believe if we're not using starters then Caldwell had no control over it. The ever present BP will put on a lot of pressure to rest the guys. I think if the decision is up to either of the Jims (owner or coach) then we'll go for the record.
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    • #3
      Re: What has to happen for you to NOT blame Caldwell if the Colts don't win...

      Why would you let the fact that you believe it's up to Polian regarding number 1 prevent you from answering 2 through 4? They're independent questions.

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      • #4
        Re: What has to happen for you to NOT blame Caldwell if the Colts don't win...

        It *IS* the coach's decision on who plays and how much, but you can bet that Polian is constantly giving his 2 cents and will pressure Caldwell to rest if that's what he wants. Polian *should* but out and let the coach decide who plays and how much as that's the coach's job, not Polian's. But Polian being the forceful personality that he is will make sure Caldwell knows what he wants.

        You can tell Caldwell wants to compete to win every game. You can read between the lines and tell that Irsay wants the perfect season as he is very nostalgic and appreciates the historical significance that it would have. The only person that hints at rest and not believing at momentum is Polian. So if we rest guys, then I'm going to believe that Caldwell felt the wrath of Bill Polian and was "forced" to do it.
        Last edited by Sollozzo; 12-22-2009, 06:42 PM.

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          Re: What has to happen for you to NOT blame Caldwell if the Colts don't win...

          Interesting points. What do you think about the post-season questions?

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          • #6
            Re: What has to happen for you to NOT blame Caldwell if the Colts don't win...

            Unless he makes some bewilderingly stupid call in a game we lose, I don't really plan on blaming him. IMO he's proven he can coach. It'd take a total flame-out this year and a pretty bad season next year to make me start thinking we made a mistake in hiring him. Right now it's up to the players to stay healthy and execute.
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            • #7
              Re: What has to happen for you to NOT blame Caldwell if the Colts don't win...

              I guess I should clarify that I am not priming to blame him. But I recall the flak Tony Dungy got, and I wonder if that flak will transfer to Caldwel if the Colts don't win it all and/or go undefeated in the regular season.

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              • #8
                Re: What has to happen for you to NOT blame Caldwell if the Colts don't win...

                Originally posted by Hicks View Post
                Interesting points. What do you think about the post-season questions?
                If we rest guys these next two weeks, come out flat, and lose our divisional game then I will want Polian's head on a platter. That happening under another coach would show that it was an organizational problem and not a coaching one, and Bill Polian runs the organization.

                I don't understand how Polian doesn't believe in momentum. When we played the Steelers in the playoffs 4 years ago, it had been 28 days since the regulars played together and 35 days since they won a game! It is completely illogical to think that such a gap doesn't have a negative impact on a team. These guys are used to playing week and week out and improving week to week, so it's completely unnatural to stop them for a month and magically expect them to flip the switch on against a quality team like Pitt that had a TON of momentum coming into that game. The final games of the season were must-wins for them and then they had the wild card win against Cincy.

                Now if we lose in the AFC championship game, you can't blame that on a lack of momentum as we would have won the week prior. Say we lose to San Diego in the AFC title game. Then we're just going to have admit that San Diego owns us in the playoffs, as horrid as that thought sounds.....

                There are several quality teams in the NFL who have what it take to beat us in the right circumstances. All it takes is one game. It's easy to want to pin all the blame on the coaches or players if we lose as it's sometimes hard to admit that another team outplayed you when you're as good as the Colts have been this season, but sometimes you just have to admit that you're outplayed. That's what I'll do if we lose in the AFC Title game or Super Bowl. But if we rest guys and come out flat during the divisional game, I am putting the majority of the blame on Polian. I know a lot of people probably disagree with that though.

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                • #9
                  Re: What has to happen for you to NOT blame Caldwell if the Colts don't win...

                  I don't really see blaming Caldwell regardless. Players have to execute and if we lose a game due to resting our starters then oh well. If we start them down the road and lose in the playoffs it wasn't meant to be then.

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                    Re: What has to happen for you to NOT blame Caldwell if the Colts don't win...

                    Originally posted by Hicks View Post
                    I guess I should clarify that I am not priming to blame him. But I recall the flak Tony Dungy got, and I wonder if that flak will transfer to Caldwel if the Colts don't win it all and/or go undefeated in the regular season.

                    Tony got flack because he was always predictable: He believed in resting starters no way would he want Manning and Co for the entire game against the Jags last week with nothing to lose. He wouldn't risk it and mostly he seemed to hate it when we went on long stretches of wins because he figured losing would be the best thing to happen to the team.

                    That and his history with Tampa and how he always underachieved with the talent he had. There were no expectations of Caldwell compared to Dungy that plays a role as well. Caldwell at least is a first year coach and he's exceeded expectations.

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                      Re: What has to happen for you to NOT blame Caldwell if the Colts don't win...

                      I attribute roughly 0% of the success we've had this season to Caldwell, so I'm probably going to attribute about 0% of any failure to Caldwell. Three people to me run this team, Peyton Manning, Tom Moore, and Mudd. Everyone else is along for the ride.


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                        Re: What has to happen for you to NOT blame Caldwell if the Colts don't win...

                        Originally posted by Hicks View Post
                        1) The next two games
                        Poor gameplan I suppose. If we play the starters and lose because someone figured something out or we thought we could do something we couldn't then I guess that would be on the coach. Especially if there are no adjustments.

                        I'm going to assume Caldwell doesn't have the power that Dungy had in the franchise. If we're not playing our starters I won't necessarily say that is on him unless he tells us differently

                        2) The first playoff game
                        Same. Plus add in unmotivated, rusty, or simply ill-prepared in a loss.

                        3) The AFC game
                        Same. But making it this far would really lessen the chances the coach being that out-coached unless we got here by sheer stupidity of an opposing team having us beat and fumbling in the 'victory formation' or something of a 0-5 game score in the final minute giving us a chance to take the lead.

                        4) The Super Bowl
                        Hard to imagine any scenario with the team just getting here that you'd blame the coach for the loss to the point you'd pin too much blame on him.

                        Dungy got flak because he had a history of his teams under-achieving in the playoffs... including some questionable one and dones. He had games where the team just did not look ready to play at kickoff. That just shouldn't and can't be a problem in the playoffs.

                        Even on the way to the SB that Patriots game wasn't looking like one for his resume to begin with.

                        Moreso, Dungy continued down a path with the defense and ST's (season after season) when it was clear to most observers that they were not only predictable but our Achilles heel (bad in the case of the ST's and predictable in the case of the defense to the point that it handed opposing teams the perfect gameplan to beat the Colts).

                        Put it all together and 1 SB appearance is actually disappointing considering how many times we were considered potential contenders and instead flamed out when the games were most important.
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                          Re: What has to happen for you to NOT blame Caldwell if the Colts don't win...

                          Originally posted by Bball View Post

                          Moreso, Dungy continued down a path with the defense and ST's (season after season) when it was clear to most observers that they were not only predictable but our Achilles heel (bad in the case of the ST's and predictable in the case of the defense to the point that it handed opposing teams the perfect gameplan to beat the Colts).

                          Put it all together and 1 SB appearance is actually disappointing considering how many times we were considered potential contenders and instead flamed out when the games were most important
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                          I agree completely with this statement by Bball. While Caldwell seems to have a low key demeanor like Dungy there was always differences. Tony was always one of the last ones in (to arrive in the morning) the office while Tom Moore would be first and then followed shortly by Caldwell. Tony seemed to be too soft spoken (not saying it's normally a bad trait) with the coaches and was willing to go down with the ship rather than make the tough decision of replacing Meeks and Purnell. Of course Calwell being the new guy does make it easier to make those changes, but he did. And of course he had no problem letting Mario Mudd know his stance on things ( and Tony never would.

                          I suspect if we get bounced out of the playoffs right away it's because either we have no running game or Peyton will force some throws downfield instead taking some of those short passes that are not pretty, but move the chains.
                          Last edited by RWB; 12-23-2009, 01:04 PM.
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                            Re: What has to happen for you to NOT blame Caldwell if the Colts don't win...

                            Originally posted by Hicks View Post
                            I guess I should clarify that I am not priming to blame him. But I recall the flak Tony Dungy got, and I wonder if that flak will transfer to Caldwel if the Colts don't win it all and/or go undefeated in the regular season.
                            I've never blamed Tony Dungy for any of the Colts losses during the playoffs or regular season. Even when Jim Mora was the coach I didn't blame him for the one and done losses in '99 and '01.

                            In each of the big games the Colts have played in the playoffs, they've either missed FGs they should've made, gave up big run and special teams plays (TN game in '99, Miami game in '01, and SD game in '07), or receivers have fumbled the ball in the red zone. Even Manning has played like crap in a couple of games that they've lost.

                            In other words it's been all on the players. If they lose this year, I'm pretty sure I'll be blaming the players again because the Colts coaching staff is one of the best in the entire league.

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                            • #15
                              Re: What has to happen for you to NOT blame Caldwell if the Colts don't win...

                              Dungy was an underachiever in Tampa. I think he was an underachiever with the Colts. But it is also possibly that we just haven't had the sort of talent that can win in the postseason.

                              I am beginning to think those losses in the past were Dungy's fault because under Caldwell and his staff (which is Dungy's staff mostly but a few really key changes) the Colts have been winning in the clutch like I never thought possible.

                              In no way will I blame Caldwell unless our game plan is blatantly atrocious. If we screw it this season in the playoffs, it proves that Peyton is not a clutch playoff performer.

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