Jonathan Taylor opens Colts camp on physically unable to perform list

[BornIndy]

Damn. Irsay being cheap. If you give him $10 million this year is it really going to mess up the cap flexibility? The NFL salary cap is fake anyway and can always be manipulated to make room.

Taylor deserves to be paid more than $4 million this year.

[BornIndy]

Colts need to find a way to roll Taylor out there with AR week 1!

[Sollozzo]

Hopefully it’s a win/win scenario for the Colts. If someone actually offers some sweet package, they should pull the trigger. If no such offers are made, then they’ve kind of backed JT into a corner by proving the market to him.

I doubt anyone makes an offer that the Colts will pull the trigger on, but I guess we shall see.

[Bball]

Hopefully it’s a win/win scenario for the Colts. If someone actually offers some sweet package, they should pull the trigger. If no such offers are made, then they’ve kind of backed JT into a corner by proving the market to him.

I doubt anyone makes an offer that the Colts will pull the trigger on, but I guess we shall see.

Mediocre season last year and injured, and still injured, and at the RB position. Some team in win now mode AND wanting to gamble, might do it... but who is that? And it would need to be a team that values the RB position in 2023.

[Doug]

Damn. Irsay being cheap. If you give him $10 million this year is it really going to mess up the cap flexibility? The NFL salary cap is fake anyway and can always be manipulated to make room.

Taylor deserves to be paid more than $4 million this year.

Except he (reportedly) wants $16 million and at least 3 years.

[Pacersalltheway10]

Trade the clown *** anywhere but Miami.

[Doug]

Seems like a lot has to fall into place for JT to be traded. Thinks can happen fast, though.

a) find a team that is willing to offer a 16m per year 3 year extension. I assume with a fairly large signing bonus.
b) that team also has to be willing to meet the Colts' price for a trade
c) JT has to pass his physical

"c" is where it gets really tricky. And where the truth of JT's actions and character are revealed. He's on the PUP now. So, presumably he is actually injured. If not and he's faking it... But if he's not and this is actually still lingering issues from his offseason surgery that might kill any deal right there. I'm sure his agent is telling teams he's ready to go or it's minor or else this whole thing is a non-starter.

I think JT is a top 3 back, and might even be the top back in the next couple of years. He's worth an extension. But not what he is asking and not with out some sort of proof that he's back to where he was.

My best case is that JT is not traded, comes back and has a great year for us. Then gets a reasonable extension 10-12 a year for 3 years or we can trade him then.. Despite his ***hole of an agent I doubt bridges have been completely burnt. Holding out or sitting out the whole season "injured" really doesn't help him

But I don't know. This whole thing seemed to come out of nowhere and I'm sure there's more behind the scenes that we know.

[BornIndy]

Seems like a lot has to fall into place for JT to be traded. Thinks can happen fast, though.

a) find a team that is willing to offer a 16m per year 3 year extension. I assume with a fairly large signing bonus.
b) that team also has to be willing to meet the Colts' price for a trade
c) JT has to pass his physical

"c" is where it gets really tricky. And where the truth of JT's actions and character are revealed. He's on the PUP now. So, presumably he is actually injured. If not and he's faking it... But if he's not and this is actually still lingering issues from his offseason surgery that might kill any deal right there. I'm sure his agent is telling teams he's ready to go or it's minor or else this whole thing is a non-starter.

I think JT is a top 3 back, and might even be the top back in the next couple of years. He's worth an extension. But not what he is asking and not with out some sort of proof that he's back to where he was.

My best case is that JT is not traded, comes back and has a great year for us. Then gets a reasonable extension 10-12 a year for 3 years or we can trade him then.. Despite his ***hole of an agent I doubt bridges have been completely burnt. Holding out or sitting out the whole season "injured" really doesn't help him

But I don't know. This whole thing seemed to come out of nowhere and I'm sure there's more behind the scenes that we know.

The problem is that the Colts never even opened negotiations. It seems like they are dead set on wanting him to play for $4 million.

I will say that his agent is a douche. He needs to stay over in the MMA world. I would stay away from any players represented by him the future.

[Gamble1]

Damn. Irsay being cheap. If you give him $10 million this year is it really going to mess up the cap flexibility? The NFL salary cap is fake anyway and can always be manipulated to make room.

Taylor deserves to be paid more than $4 million this year.

The cap can manupilated for a 4 year interval. Meaning you can forward the cap money. This is why they are being cheap.

Why are they being this cheap now I have no clue especially since they gave Hynes 8 mill to be a backup. Taylor is probably worth 12 mill.

[Bball]

The cap can manupilated for a 4 year interval. Meaning you can forward the cap money. This is why they are being cheap.

Why are they being this cheap now I have no clue especially since they gave Hynes 8 mill to be a backup. Taylor is probably worth 12 mill.

Because the Colts aren't in "win now" mode any longer. That dream died. AR is still an unproven QB and growing pains are to be expected so the goals of this season are nothing like the goals of the past few seasons. They've finally taken the Luck retirement hit and are trying to rebuild versus plug and play. The O-line regressed last year putting their role into question mark territory for this season. Irsay seems to have taken on more of a negotiating role so what's happened in the recent past might not be relevant as a predictor of current happenings. RB's are mostly plug and play rather than long term workhorses. Importantly, JT was hurt last year and had a mediocre year. And he's still allegedly injured and not practicing or playing. Importantly, he's a RB in this situation. I seriously doubt there are any plans to make the team revolve around a RB, let alone to want to do it for an injured RB who already has some miles on him.

I think it's perfectly understandable why they would have no interest in opening the checkbook right now. In fact, I bet, truth be told, a trade doesn't really hurt anyone's feelings but next year will be more important anyway. If JT can play this year, and play well, then he might actually have some leverage. But right now, I don't even know if the Colts would care if he would choose to sit out and just save them the money. It's not that important the Colts have a star at RB this season, and gambling that JT isn't on the downside already and counting on him with a new contract in hand is probably not a smart play anyway.

All bets are off if JT appears healthy in Oct and the Colts are 4-4 with an impressive win or two, and a couple of close losses. Maybe at that point, they start wondering if they should be in more of a win now mindset. But that said, if they are 4-4 late in Oct, and JT is not playing, it might be the opposite and confirm they didn't need him nor need to overpay at RB. And if they're 0-8, I imagine they care even less about JT playing in '23.

[Gamble1]

Because the Colts aren't in "win now" mode any longer. That dream died. AR is still an unproven QB and growing pains are to be expected so the goals of this season are nothing like the goals of the past few seasons. They've finally taken the Luck retirement hit and are trying to rebuild versus plug and play. The O-line regressed last year putting their role into question mark territory for this season. Irsay seems to have taken on more of a negotiating role so what's happened in the recent past might not be relevant as a predictor of current happenings. RB's are mostly plug and play rather than long term workhorses. Importantly, JT was hurt last year and had a mediocre year. And he's still allegedly injured and not practicing or playing. Importantly, he's a RB in this situation. I seriously doubt there are any plans to make the team revolve around a RB, let alone to want to do it for an injured RB who already has some miles on him.

I think it's perfectly understandable why they would have no interest in opening the checkbook right now. In fact, I bet, truth be told, a trade doesn't really hurt anyone's feelings but next year will be more important anyway. If JT can play this year, and play well, then he might actually have some leverage. But right now, I don't even know if the Colts would care if he would choose to sit out and just save them the money. It's not that important the Colts have a star at RB this season, and gambling that JT isn't on the downside already and counting on him with a new contract in hand is probably not a smart play anyway.

All bets are off if JT appears healthy in Oct and the Colts are 4-4 with an impressive win or two, and a couple of close losses. Maybe at that point, they start wondering if they should be in more of a win now mindset. But that said, if they are 4-4 late in Oct, and JT is not playing, it might be the opposite and confirm they didn't need him nor need to overpay at RB. And if they're 0-8, I imagine they care even less about JT playing in '23.

I agree JT has very little leverage but he is an elite rb on a team with very little play makers. I personally wanted him to be resigned since he is entertaining and the Colts have been a dumpster fire for the last couple of years.

One argument against signing him is whether or not he is a good fit for AR with the read option stuff they are going to run. He certianly is not the best route runner or pass blocker but he would lighten the load off of Richardson.

[Bball]

I agree JT has very little leverage but he is an elite rb on a team with very little play makers. I personally wanted him to be resigned since he is entertaining and the Colts have been a dumpster fire for the last couple of years.

One argument against signing him is whether or not he is a good fit for AR with the read option stuff they are going to run. He certianly is not the best route runner or pass blocker but he would lighten the load off of Richardson.

But there's the question of why he's still injured and how bad is it really? It seems odd to fake an injury when you're wanting a large contract extension. Though, I'd never put it past the Colts to coverup a pure holdout situation by claiming there's a lingering injury/rehab situation occurring. When the negotiations are between the two sides there MIGHT be some argument that both would want to play that angle versus any negative PR of a 'public' holdout. But now that he's asked for a trade, and been granted permission to seek one, you wouldn't think they'd be playing a game with a fake injury now.

[Gamble1]

But there's the question of why he's still injured and how bad is it really? It seems odd to fake an injury when you're wanting a large contract extension. Though, I'd never put it past the Colts to coverup a pure holdout situation by claiming there's a lingering injury/rehab situation occurring. When the negotiations are between the two sides there MIGHT be some argument that both would want to play that angle versus any negative PR of a 'public' holdout. But now that he's asked for a trade, and been granted permission to seek one, you wouldn't think they'd be playing a game with a fake injury now.

I thought Leonard did the same thing with going on Pup with his injury when he wanted a contract extension in 2021. His agent is the same as JTs as well.

[BornIndy]

If the Colts don't want to pay him, they would be stupid accepting anything less than a 1st. You have him under control for the next 3 years.

I have no doubts Taylor will get back to form, he is that good. If anything last season was an outlier.

[BornIndy]

On second thought, it might seem that Taylor might just want to be in Miami