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  • Basketball Fan
    Member
    • Mar 2008
    • 17203

    Well at least they got themselves eliminated before the final game of the season this time..

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    • Hoop
      PG who Points
      • Jan 2004
      • 6098

      Originally posted by Bball

      Questions, questions, questions... random thoughts on a season gone off the rails...

      It will be interesting hearing how some of this downfall is explained.
      Reich fired midseason.
      Ryan benching #1 for the young QB with a SB winning QB on the roster and a lot of season left.
      Ryan reinstated after coaching change and ultimately still looks old and the team has two monumental 2nd half point giveaways.
      Ryan benched again, with only 3 games remaining, and now the SB winning coach is given the opportunity to start those 3 games.

      The O-line, allegedly one of the best in the league... wasn't...

      The WR corps, questionable heading into the season, is still questionable. But then again, with Ryan, how do you know how much of that is on the QB or the receivers (and play calls, and going away from Ryan's inability to get the ball downfield)?

      JT... the season that wasn't.

      Darius Leonard left the team, replaced by Shaq Leonard... Maybe bring back Darius?

      The defense has looked, at times really good... but a lot has been asked of them. Meanwhile, they've given up some monster numbers too. Sometimes looking good, and bad, in the same game. But how much of that is an anemic offense forcing the defense to put a BUNCH of minutes into the game and try and keep the game in reach because the offense can't score TDs?

      Were their lockerroom issues this season?

      Was everyone happy to see Wentz go, or did he have some followers and supporters on the team?

      Was Ryan embraced like we thought he was, or was that a PR job by the Colts and a willing to believe fanbase and soft press?

      Was Ballard, Irsay, and Reich on the same page... ever... and when did it diverge and where was the divergence?

      And who is on the same page NOW?

      Irsay and Saturday?

      Irsay and Ballard?

      Who in the organization is now in a position to say "I told you so!"?

      Who is hearing "What were you thinking!?"?

      JT's injury isn't anything too concerning (unless it was Andrew Luck it had happened to), so does the team plan on JT next season, or is he a trade piece?

      The NFL has morphed away from 'star' running backs... It seems most teams can plug and play a young RB into their system and get decent enough results that you don't have to throw tons of money at the position. But you do need backups there too for the inevitable injuries. But what does that mean for the Colts whose biggest position of need, or positions of need, isn't necessarily RB.

      Is the team bought in on being a team with a heavy focus on the run game? Irsay has always been infatuated with star QB's, so maybe the passing game is so ingrained into the culture to the point THAT has to be there first, and then the running game follows. I think it likely is with fans. But that said, Ryan was a QB not getting it done. There HAD to be some questions amongst the players and coaches. Stick with your guy? Give the young guy a chance? Try the other veteran?

      At what point as a player do you look at the record, the still possible playoff chances, and compare to pre-season expectations and start mumbling "try something different!" as Ryan doesn't get it done and clearly looks washed? Meanwhile, things just continue to go downhill.

      The league has teams paying 800 million to fired coaches. The Colts are part of that. You have to wonder how sustainable that really is.
      I know the NFL has gotten away from paying Running Backs big money. A healthy Taylor is special though. He can break it for a TD at anytime, anywhere on the field. I think we need to keep him, he's a different animal. We need to involve him more in the pass game IMO, with his big play capability.

      Of course we have to have a QB, nobody wins without a good one.
      "Just look at the flowers ........ BANG" - Carol "The Walking Dead"

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      • Bball
        Jimmy did what Jimmy did
        • Jan 2004
        • 26882

        I could see Saturday keeping the coaching gig... because without a QB or QB prospect, who wants the gig? So, unless something changes with the QB spot, the pool of candidates will be limited. It'll just be a coach that wants a job on his resume, that he knows he'll be fired from, because there's no QB to hitch their wagon to. IMO...
        Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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        "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

        -John Wooden

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        • Basketball Fan
          Member
          • Mar 2008
          • 17203

          Originally posted by Bball
          I could see Saturday keeping the coaching gig... because without a QB or QB prospect, who wants the gig? So, unless something changes with the QB spot, the pool of candidates will be limited. It'll just be a coach that wants a job on his resume, that he knows he'll be fired from, because there's no QB to hitch their wagon to. IMO...
          You have a point and most people see Jimmy is a few fries short of a happy meal as well. At this point I'm ok with it as long as we can score up a few draft picks that will make the team better when/if we get that QB

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          • Bball
            Jimmy did what Jimmy did
            • Jan 2004
            • 26882

            Originally posted by Hoop

            I know the NFL has gotten away from paying Running Backs big money. A healthy Taylor is special though. He can break it for a TD at anytime, anywhere on the field. I think we need to keep him, he's a different animal. We need to involve him more in the pass game IMO, with his big play capability.

            Of course we have to have a QB, nobody wins without a good one.
            I think when the priorities get looked at, QB will be very high on the list. So, while JT is arguably special, how much does that really matter if you don't have a QB who can win in the modern NFL? Obviously, a great RB could help a young QB, making it so there can be some balance in the offense and not rely solely on the QB, but that still requires a real QB prospect under center. How engaged is JT going to be if the QB doesn't really show anything?
            But, all that said, IS there a trade out there where JT could net the Colts a QB? Moving up in the draft or off of someone else's roster? The Colts have been burned so badly by trying to plug someone else's QB into the lineup that I don't know that anyone (from team to fans) is really mentally ready to try that again. I suspect everyone is ready for a new name and not a retread.

            Part of all of this might be that the retreads make it hard to evaluate the rest of the team.

            Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

            ------

            "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

            -John Wooden

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            • Bball
              Jimmy did what Jimmy did
              • Jan 2004
              • 26882

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              Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

              ------

              "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

              -John Wooden

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              • Bball
                Jimmy did what Jimmy did
                • Jan 2004
                • 26882

                Another game where the defense is keeping the score close, but the offense isn't doing much.
                Maybe they offense is keeping the defense a little more honest by at least trying to challenge downfield. But 2 INTs and no long downfield completions is not exactly going to keep them honest very long.
                Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

                ------

                "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                -John Wooden

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                • Bball
                  Jimmy did what Jimmy did
                  • Jan 2004
                  • 26882

                  What would be nice is for someone to look at the scoreboard and say "Well, if we kick the FG here, we're within 1 score. Let's kick it" instead of "Hey, let's go for a TD!!"

                  Wasting possessions is not going to help this debacle of a season.
                  Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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                  "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                  -John Wooden

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                  • Sollozzo
                    Member
                    • Jan 2004
                    • 27345

                    Couldn't watch the game tonight. Clearly I didn't miss much of anything. I'm going to guess that Aikman needs to be put in therapy after having to come watch our offense for the second time in a 5 week span.

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                    • Bball
                      Jimmy did what Jimmy did
                      • Jan 2004
                      • 26882

                      Originally posted by Sollozzo
                      Couldn't watch the game tonight. Clearly I didn't miss much of anything. I'm going to guess that Aikman needs to be put in therapy after having to come watch our offense for the second time in a 5 week span.
                      He was pining for Ehlinger and couldn't understand why we didn't make the switch.

                      Foles made some bad throws... well, assuming he meant them to go to the blue jerseys. He put them right where the Chargers needed them. Gifts.

                      The defense kept the score close.

                      Late in the 3rd qtr, the Colts down 10, decided to go for it on 4th and 1 rather than take the chip-shot FG. So they tried to draw the Chargers offsides to end the qtr, making us wonder if they were actually going to kick the FG after all, then went for it for real to start the 4th qtr. And came up short. So instead of a likely 7 point game, it remained a 10 point game. And the defense was asked to hold them... again.

                      Sound familiar?
                      Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

                      ------

                      "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                      -John Wooden

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                      • BornIndy
                        INDIANA
                        • May 2013
                        • 8543

                        Why didn't they flex the Colts off of primetime? NFL just wants to see them embarrass themselves?

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                        • Sollozzo
                          Member
                          • Jan 2004
                          • 27345

                          Originally posted by BornIndy
                          Why didn't they flex the Colts off of primetime? NFL just wants to see them embarrass themselves?
                          MNF can’t be flexed.

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                          • Bball
                            Jimmy did what Jimmy did
                            • Jan 2004
                            • 26882

                            Originally posted by Sollozzo

                            MNF can’t be flexed.
                            That's something the NFL might want to reconsider...
                            Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

                            ------

                            "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                            -John Wooden

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                            • Banta
                              Member
                              • Jan 2010
                              • 824

                              If they aren’t in position to draft a QB, I’d like to see them get Minshew. He was my pick over Ryan in the off-season. Minshew is a baller and a starter in this league.


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                              • Hoop
                                PG who Points
                                • Jan 2004
                                • 6098

                                What about Carr from the Raiders? I think he's pretty good. Read he could be had cheap. I know it would be another season of just trying to get a QB from another team, but at least he's not old and done.
                                "Just look at the flowers ........ BANG" - Carol "The Walking Dead"

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