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  • Bball
    Jimmy did what Jimmy did
    • Jan 2004
    • 26906

    #61
    I have a feeling being head coach AND calling the plays is catching up with Reich and this team. The team and/or QB isn't up to it and Reich's own confidence is shaken and/or misplaced. So it's affecting the calls. His job is on the line with every series now.
    Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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    "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

    -John Wooden

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    • Bball
      Jimmy did what Jimmy did
      • Jan 2004
      • 26906

      #62
      For those that watched preseason heavily, or are invested in college football, what's the outlook on Sam Ehlinger?
      Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

      ------

      "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

      -John Wooden

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      • Trader Joe
        DIET COKE!
        • Jan 2006
        • 46914

        #63
        Originally posted by Sollozzo
        This team could easily be 0-5 after the Ravens game and there are also still a ton of tough games left on the schedule after that (though I guess every game is tough for us at this point given how bad we look).

        Those who were skeptical about Wentz were right. I was wrong - I thought it was a solid pickup.

        How does the 2022 draft look for QB's at the top?
        Here's the problem (and someone else may have already pointed this out), but if Wentz doesn't miss around 4.5 games, our 1st round draft pick this year goes to Philly, no matter what our record is. We're already 3 games in and clearly yesterday would have been a good game for him to miss. This trade is a disaster it looks like to me already. We either are going to lose a probably top half of the first round pick or we're going to have to bench Wentz for the last third of the season which is just going to be ****ing weird for everyone.

        I have real doubts about Chris Ballard's decision making. Outside of the 2018 draft, he's had a lot of misses.

        I don't want to pin all of this on Wentz either because I think that's a slippery slope, this team was supposed to be able to be built to win with just average QB play, they aren't. Reich was also supposed to be an offensive genius, he's not.


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        • Trader Joe
          DIET COKE!
          • Jan 2006
          • 46914

          #64
          Originally posted by Bball
          This season is feeling kind of... bleak...

          There's not a whole lot to hang our hats on as far as reasons to think things will get better. At some point, Irsay will pull the plug and make this about draft position if there isn't a miracle turnaround quickly. And that is understandable, because that is how it works in modern sports.

          That we went into a season trying, or multiple seasons really, is more on the way Luck quit on the team with a team already developed and developing around him. So it was a huge short-circuit and not a situation where anyone wanted to go back to the drawing board. But now that the duct tape, bailing wire, and glue is coming off... that approach is probably on thin ice.
          I've been thinking, I wonder what we could get for Wentz in a trade if we just cut bait. Could we swap him for like a 5th round pick and a serviceable QB to hold the fort? (I know the Nick Foles stuff will immediately get brought up), does he have any value? This might be the smartest way to get out of that particular decision. He can't reach the necessary games to play for us if he's not on our team.


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          • Trader Joe
            DIET COKE!
            • Jan 2006
            • 46914

            #65
            We dropped back to pass 40 times yesterday in a game where we basically never trailed by more than one possession for 80% of the time. We ran our two RBs, Taylor and Hines, 16 total times and got 5+ yards a carry out of those.

            Can anyone explain that to me? How is that not setting an injured Wentz up to fail? Reich says he feels that was our best course of action to win the game yesterday, is he really that dumb? 40 freaking passes with an injured QB and an offensive line that has been a disaster in pass protection. It's really baffling.

            Also teams with a +3 turnover margin, have a 92% win rate historically in the NFL. Yesterday was a historically bad loss.


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            • Trader Joe
              DIET COKE!
              • Jan 2006
              • 46914

              #66
              Originally posted by Bball
              For those that watched preseason heavily, or are invested in college football, what's the outlook on Sam Ehlinger?
              I'm gonna say meh?

              Seems like a nice guy and stuff, but when you read the tea leaves it seems like he and Eason are just products of the Colts offseason hype machine. That fact we brought in a guy like Hundley who has been pretty much dog doo doo every time he's stepped on an NFL field above both of them says a lot


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              • Sollozzo
                Member
                • Jan 2004
                • 27439

                #67
                Originally posted by Bball

                You could make the argument that the Colts need receivers... Except Philip Rivers seemed to do fine with essentially this same receiving corps.

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                Our receiving talent is weak for a 2021 NFL team. Last year’s successes were a result of Rivers being really good and delegating the ball to a group of mediocre receivers. Plus we had a good run game.

                Our leading receiver in yards last year was a shell-of-himself Hilton with 762 yards. How many teams have gone 11-5 in recent years without a receiver even breaking 800 yards?

                This year Hilton isn’t even playing yet and who knows what he will look like at this point. So our best receivers are who, Pittman and Pascal? They would be fine 3rd or 4th options but you’re In trouble if they are 1 and 2. We have incredibly weak receiving talent and that falls on Ballard.
                Last edited by Sollozzo; 09-27-2021, 01:16 PM.

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                • PacerDude
                  It's just my opinion.
                  • May 2009
                  • 10049

                  #68
                  I think if you could blend Eason's physical skills with Ehlinger's mental skills - you'd have a pretty damn good QB.

                  Individually tho - they both have shortcomings.

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                  • Trader Joe
                    DIET COKE!
                    • Jan 2006
                    • 46914

                    #69
                    Originally posted by Sollozzo

                    Our receiving talent is weak for a 2021 NFL team. Last year’s successes were a result of Rivers being really good and delegating the ball to a group of mediocre receivers. Plus we had a good run game.

                    Our leading receiver in yards last year was a shell-of-himself Hilton with 762 yards. How many teams have gone 11-5 in recent years without a receiver even breaking 800 yards?

                    This year Hilton isn’t even playing yet and who knows what he will look like at this point. So our best receivers are who, Pittman and Pascal? They would be fine 3rd or 4th options but you’re In trouble if they are 1 and 2. We have incredibly weak receiving talent and that falls on Ballard.
                    Absolutely. It's really sad how bad our receiving corps is. But that's what happens when a guy liek Parris Campbell ends up being AWFUL. Colts tried to create Hilton 2.0 which seems to be one of the achilles heels of our franchise, we find a guy we really love and then keep trying to draft him over and over again. Same thing happened with the Dorsett pick...

                    Pittman could be a nice number 2 I think. Pascal could be a nice 3 potentially, but the Colts lack vertical speed everywhere on the roster except in the backfield. Hilton isn't gonna fix it. The league keeps getting faster overall and it feels like we have one of the slowest teams. I could be talking about the Pacers as well right here which is depressing.

                    I don't think the Colts value elite number 1 receivers enough because of Manning and especially Luck. If you look at Luck's receiving talent after Reggie tore his ACL, it's prety pathetic and he would still sling for 4,000+ yards in his sleep so we just thought you could get away with that. But teams are starting to load up on receiving talent and it tends to bring good results right now. Look at the Seahawks, Cardinals, Rams, Bucs, Chiefs, Bills....lots of talent all over the edges of the field. Even teams like the Cowboys, Bengals, Raiders, Chargers, Titans, Vikings....we have one of the worst receiving corps in the NFL.


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                    • Bball
                      Jimmy did what Jimmy did
                      • Jan 2004
                      • 26906

                      #70
                      Originally posted by Trader Joe

                      I'm gonna say meh?

                      Seems like a nice guy and stuff, but when you read the tea leaves it seems like he and Eason are just products of the Colts offseason hype machine. That fact we brought in a guy like Hundley who has been pretty much dog doo doo every time he's stepped on an NFL field above both of them says a lot
                      I thought we brought Hundley in what Ehrlinger got injured in the preseason? Ehrlinger had to miss 3 games due to IR... but I'm not sure where that puts him now on recovery.
                      Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

                      ------

                      "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                      -John Wooden

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                      • Trader Joe
                        DIET COKE!
                        • Jan 2006
                        • 46914

                        #71
                        Also, I've been watching Matt Stafford and it just makes me depressed. Only way I'd be more depressed is if I was a Lions fans. How did they waste a decade of QB talent like that


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                        • Trader Joe
                          DIET COKE!
                          • Jan 2006
                          • 46914

                          #72
                          Originally posted by Bball

                          I thought we brought Hundley in what Ehrlinger got injured in the preseason? Ehrlinger had to miss 3 games due to IR... but I'm not sure where that puts him now on recovery.
                          Hundley was the practice squad QB and still got elevated over Eason though. And Ehlinger was behind Eason even before injury.


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                          • Bball
                            Jimmy did what Jimmy did
                            • Jan 2004
                            • 26906

                            #73
                            Originally posted by Trader Joe
                            Also, I've been watching Matt Stafford and it just makes me depressed. Only way I'd be more depressed is if I was a Lions fans. How did they waste a decade of QB talent like that
                            That's what I saw day one this season. Stafford looks like the prototypical Colts desired QB. In control. Able to make great throws.

                            I'm seconding everything you just said.
                            Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

                            ------

                            "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                            -John Wooden

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                            • Sollozzo
                              Member
                              • Jan 2004
                              • 27439

                              #74
                              Originally posted by Trader Joe
                              Also, I've been watching Matt Stafford and it just makes me depressed. Only way I'd be more depressed is if I was a Lions fans. How did they waste a decade of QB talent like that
                              I still will believe it when I see it in terms of Stafford taking them on a deep playoff run. I like Stafford and would like to see him be successful there, but I still wouldn’t bet on a deep run. We will see

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                              • Trader Joe
                                DIET COKE!
                                • Jan 2006
                                • 46914

                                #75
                                Originally posted by Sollozzo

                                I still will believe it when I see it in terms of Stafford taking them on a deep playoff run. I like Stafford and would like to see him be successful there, but I still wouldn’t bet on a deep run. We will see
                                Man idk. The raw talent is off the charts and there's no denying the Lions are just a mess of a franchise top to botoom.


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