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Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.

Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

Rule #2

If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

An example:

If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:

http://www.linktothearticlegoeshere.com/article
Title of the Article
Author's Name
Indianapolis Star

Rule #6

We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.

The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.

Rule #7

Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

Rule #8

We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

Rule #9

Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.

Rule #10

We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.

Rule #11

Do not advertise anything without talking about it with the administrators first. This includes advertising with your signature, with your avatar, through private messaging, and/or by making a thread or post.
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  • Basketball Fan
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    I can't believe the Packers drafted a QB in the first round...

    That's the shock of the draft.

    Second one is Tua being drafted in the 1st round.

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  • Suaveness
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    Everyone is going on about WR, QB. Ballard doesn't think like this, he takes BPA. And there's nothing he values more on this team than offensive and defensive lines. Good chance that's where we go with the first pick (assuming we don't trade down for more picks, which he also likes doing). Man knows how to build a team. If we can snag a talented DE with the first pick, that line will be monsterous. And we still need to draft a OT

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  • Basketball Fan
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  • PacerDude
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    Would love to see the Bucs go 1-15.

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  • vapacersfan
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    Patriots trade Rob Gronkowski to Buccaneers for fourth-round pick

    https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...4th-round-pick

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  • Dab
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    There's no way Ballard doesn't trade at least one of the 2nd round picks for more picks, imho

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  • Basketball Fan
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    Although I'm sure his basement is probably better than most homes.... makes me wonder if this goes on where the NBA draft will take place.

    https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...-his-basement/


    Roger Goodell to announce first-round picks from his basement

    It’s been thought for some time that NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell would announce the names of this year’s first-round picks from his home and we now know where in his home he’ll be when he makes those announcements.

    While giving a preview of what will be in Monday morning’s edition of Football Morning in America, Peter King reported that Goodell will be announcing those selections from the basement of his home in Bronxville, New York. A memo Goodell sent last week telegraphed that he’d be at home when he wrote that league staff would be “operating in separate locations outside of our offices” when the first round kicked off on April 23.

    The players being selected will be at home as well and 58 of this year’s top prospects have been sent cameras that will capture their reaction to being picked.

    ESPN and NFL Network are putting together a joint broadcast of the draft that’s going to air on both networks.

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  • Basketball Fan
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    For those that want to watch a game back when the Colts were good......

    Seems like most of these channels are becoming an offbrand ESPN Classic

    https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ming-to-nbcsn/

    Football Week in America is coming to NBCSN

    With no live sports currently happening, NBC is bringing you a full week of NFL classic games, and then some.

    It’s Football Week in America, beginning Monday on NBCSN. And it will consist of classic Sunday Night Football games from NBC.

    The games also will help support COVID-19 fundraising through on-screen messaging during the broadcasts.

    Each night includes a pair of games, starting on Monday at 7:00 p.m. ET, with the first Manning Bowl from 2006, featuring Peyton Manning vs. Eli Manning, as called by Al Michaels and John Madden. Then, at 9:30 p.m. ET, it’s the 2013 matchup between Peyton’s Broncos and Tom Brady’s Patriots.

    Daily doubleheaders continue through Sunday, April 5, with games on each of the next three Sundays, through April 26.

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  • Gamble1
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    Colts let go of Desir
    Last edited by Gamble1; 03-21-2020, 07:08 PM.

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  • PacerDude
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    ^^ That's a pretty expensive backup. I'm guessing that they're looking around for potential trades with him.

    Besides - Hoyer sucked when he had a chance to play.

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  • dal9
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    Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post

    There’s won’t be “competition”. Rivers is 100% the starter unless he gets hurt. Brissett might not even be on the team.
    espn says they plan to keep brisett as backup--hoyer released.

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  • ECKrueger
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    Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post

    Obviously any NFL team wants a great long term QB if they can get their hands on one. I don't think Brissett or Winston are those quarterbacks though.

    Things change so much year to year in the NFL. Kansas City was the only team in the NFL to make the Final 8 playoff teams in both the 2018 and 2019 seasons. The other 7 teams who made the Final 8 this past 2019 season were not part of the Final 8 the prior year. That's how crazy things can change in the NFL.

    The Bucs have a solid roster and need to go for the kill right now. They haven't made noise in the playoffs in years. Instead of worrying about the future, seize the opportunity and try to make noise in the playoffs right now. If Brady can just give them one chance like Favre did in 2009 when he got Minny a hair away from the Super Bowl, then it will be worth it. I think Brady has more left in the tank than a lot of people think. He might not be his 2016 self anymore, but with weapons he can still make the throws. I think the pitiful NE receivers were way more responsible for their offensive struggles than Brady.

    With Rivers, as long as he has some game left, he'll give the Colts a chance at the Division. That's all you can really ask for. It's a solid roster and we need to win now. Brissett is a great guy and good backup material, but he just didn't look like a playoff quarterback. His general style is "play not to lose" and he was scouted easily as the season wore on.

    Brissett only had 6 interceptions in 15 games last year. If your interceptions are that low, then you're either one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time like Brady or you're simply not attempting enough NFL caliber throws. Clearly the latter in this case.
    I agree on both the bold. Winston was an okay option as he still has a high ceiling if he can get the INTs waaaaaay down. But Brady gives a much better chance in a smaller window, plus gives us a great mentor for a rookie in the long run. I love it. Same applies to Indy and Rivers to a lesser extent.

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  • ECKrueger
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    Originally posted by PacerDude View Post
    I'll just talk about Jacoby and the Colts. Don't know much about Tampa & Winston.

    Jacoby proved himself to be an adequate backup. He's really slow on his 2nd & 3rd reads. If his main guy isn't open - he just doesn't find another option. For a spot starter and a fill in for parts of a game - he's acceptable, but just not starter material.

    I think the combo of Rivers, Frank and Sirianni is going to be a fun one. They spent time together with the Chargers and Rivers had a few decent years with them. Hopefully, it carries over.
    Well Winston didn't prove squat. He regressed in turnovers with Arians instead of improving. You don't want a back up with a 1:1 TD:INT ratio. So he's just a high risk/reward starter right now and no one really needs him. In Tampa, the hope was that in another year he could cut down the turnovers, but we've seen 5 years of him - that potential is just hard to walk away from.

    I think that Brady for 2 years + (hopefully) a rookie learning from Tom for 2 years > whatever Winston potential we let go of. I think the equation holds true for Indy and Rivers/Jacoby.

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  • Sollozzo
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    Originally posted by ECKrueger View Post
    I think the key with Rivers is the same as Brady in Tampa. By itself, not a great move. They're old and declining to at least some extent and neither team is necessarily super strong contenders with them over Jacoby/Jameis. Now both will be QB-less soon when they at least had a decent potential with Jacoby or Jameis.

    BUT if you draft a guy you think can takeover in a year or two, I think both teams can actually be better in the long run. I think 1-2 years with Rivers/Brady give both teams a better shot in the short term, plus I assume both guys will be good influences on a rookie making them also more likely to be better than Jacoby or Jameis in the long run.
    Obviously any NFL team wants a great long term QB if they can get their hands on one. I don't think Brissett or Winston are those quarterbacks though.

    Things change so much year to year in the NFL. Kansas City was the only team in the NFL to make the Final 8 playoff teams in both the 2018 and 2019 seasons. The other 7 teams who made the Final 8 this past 2019 season were not part of the Final 8 the prior year. That's how crazy things can change in the NFL.

    The Bucs have a solid roster and need to go for the kill right now. They haven't made noise in the playoffs in years. Instead of worrying about the future, seize the opportunity and try to make noise in the playoffs right now. If Brady can just give them one chance like Favre did in 2009 when he got Minny a hair away from the Super Bowl, then it will be worth it. I think Brady has more left in the tank than a lot of people think. He might not be his 2016 self anymore, but with weapons he can still make the throws. I think the pitiful NE receivers were way more responsible for their offensive struggles than Brady.

    With Rivers, as long as he has some game left, he'll give the Colts a chance at the Division. That's all you can really ask for. It's a solid roster and we need to win now. Brissett is a great guy and good backup material, but he just didn't look like a playoff quarterback. His general style is "play not to lose" and he was scouted easily as the season wore on.

    Brissett only had 6 interceptions in 15 games last year. If your interceptions are that low, then you're either one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time like Brady or you're simply not attempting enough NFL caliber throws. Clearly the latter in this case.

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