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Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

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We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

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2019 Indianapolis Colts Regular Season Thread

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  • Downtown Bang!
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    The team really played some undisciplined and mistake prone football all year. Bad turnovers, bad/untimely penalties, special teams & kicking game issues unrelated to AV etc. Would have been great to make the playoffs after the Luck mess but likely would have been an ugly 1st round exit.

    A lot of very nice personnel with the current group, opportunities are there in the upcoming draft, cap space flexibility etc. but IMO there are some legit questions with execution and this coaching staff. Would suck if the organization squanders another opportunity to build a balanced & disciplined group with longevity...

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  • Bball
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    Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
    Figures that they play a really solid game since the season is effectively over and they have nothing to play for.

    Not impressed at all. The team buckled under pressure all season and blew a ton of opportunities. I know the injuries hurt big time, but there were still so many opportunities to give ourselves a legit chance at a playoff spot.
    The erratic kicking game didn't help and they waited too long to address it. Brissett doesn't play well under pressure so they needed to be confident about PATs and FGs and not have extra pressure via the scoreboard coming away with 6 instead of 7. Between that and Brissett's injury and Hoyer's awful appearance as the starter, I think that really hurt steal the thunder and put pressure on the team. Must win games are not Brissett's forte' (see: Brissett doesn't play well under pressure). And of course injuries didn't help that either.

    Besides all of that though, if you're going to be a team that goes for it often, I'm not sure Brissett is really the QB for that either. Being able to run for that yard is great, but to really be effective long term, the other team has to fear a pass potential too.

    There's too much smoke for there not to be fire that Brissett missed open receivers with too much frequency. Not that he threw it inaccurately, though he sometimes did, but that he didn't even see them to throw in the first place.
    A WR makes his break, the QB needs to get him the ball before the defense can react and close the gap. Otherwise, the WR is no longer as open and now the protection is breaking down. Some of this might be playing too cautious, which might be OK for a game managing backup trying to tread water for a game or two while the starter is out. Not so much for a QB-centric team that wants to be high octane and fill the seats with a dynamic offense, and where that is expected by the fans.
    Although more than anything, wins are expected.

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  • Sollozzo
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    Figures that they play a really solid game since the season is effectively over and they have nothing to play for.

    Not impressed at all. The team buckled under pressure all season and blew a ton of opportunities. I know the injuries hurt big time, but there were still so many opportunities to give ourselves a legit chance at a playoff spot.

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  • RWB
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    Originally posted by Bball View Post
    Just. Kick. The. FG!!!
    Absolutely!!! Frank is reading too much of his own hype. What a rebel, what a gambler, how bout some common sense sometimes. I know it was a meaningless game but don't pull stupid and call it master genius.

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  • Basketball Fan
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    This is the first time we ever beat the Panthers at home granted they are worse than we are at the moment but this was probably the best game the Colts played all season.

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  • Suaveness
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    Sounds like Nyheim should have been returning kicks all year. What a game

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  • Bball
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    Just. Kick. The. FG!!!

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  • BornIndy
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    Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post

    You must have some scratch riding on them winning at least 7 games. Surely you don’t genuinely care about them winning at this point lol. I know I don’t.
    No, it's small. It's bigger than the money though lol. 7 games was a number I put it at because I was confident in how good this team was even without Luck.
    Last edited by BornIndy; 12-17-2019, 08:40 PM.

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  • Basketball Fan
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    Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post

    By 4, I’m referring to the fact that the Colts would have won 2 Super Bowls in a 4 year span (06, 09) if they had won that Saints Super Bowl. That’s what I meant by “2 out of 4”. 2 Super Bowl titles in 4 years if they win that game. It would have been a hell of an accomplishment and seeing those reminders last night on MNF brought those nasty memories back. That game sucked. That Garçon drop...the onside kick. Colts could have won that game.
    Ok that makes way more sense now I totally misread your post. My bad.

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  • Sollozzo
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    Originally posted by Basketball Fan View Post

    The 4 appearances? The Colts only appeared in 2 SBs (in the Indy era) the Baltimore Colts appeared in 2 themselves that's what I thought you were referring to. It would've been great if we won 2 SBs when we had the chance. I just don't get where the 4 SB's come from on your end.
    By 4, I’m referring to the fact that the Colts would have won 2 Super Bowls in a 4 year span (06, 09) if they had won that Saints Super Bowl. That’s what I meant by “2 out of 4”. 2 Super Bowl titles in 4 years if they win that game. It would have been a hell of an accomplishment and seeing those reminders last night on MNF brought those nasty memories back. That game sucked. That Garçon drop...the onside kick. Colts could have won that game.

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  • Basketball Fan
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    Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post

    A miracle winning a Super Bowl with prime Peyton Manning, Tony Dungy, Bill Polian, and a crap ton of talent? Not really.

    You just obsess way too much about Irsay for whatever reason lol. He’s just a rich guy who owns the team like all the other rich guys who own their teams. He cuts checks and has generally given his staff a lot of free reign in decisions. He lets people (like Pagano) have plenty of time before cutting bait, sometimes to a fault even. It’s not like he’s Jerry Jones getting in the way left and right. By virtually any metric of success, Irsay has been a very good owner. All the former players/coaches/Polian go out of their way to always say that this was a great organization to be a part of, and virtually everyone gives appreciation for Irsay when talking about their time with the team.

    You always act like Irsay is this dark demon hanging over the team like Dan Snyder or something. In the 2000’s, Irsay sat back and let Polian/Dungy Run the team. It’s not surprising that they had success.
    Yes it is because Irsay is a complete tool left to his own devices if that isn't obvious by now to most people.... he's better than his father which doesn't take much. However he'd be considered another Dan Snyder if he didn't have Manning and to a lesser extent Luck... a franchise QB covers up a lot.

    There are a lot of talented teams that don't win it all the 1998 Vikings, The Chargers when they had all those great teams. The Eagles never won with Andy Reid. Talent doesn't guarantee anything besides how many of those players and FO people look great in retrospect? Manning,Freeney and Wayne looked good for a few more years the others that were cut etc faded away real quick.

    Polian faded away shortly after that SB and Elway is looking like a chump now as a President/GM now that he doesn't have Manning anymore. You also need luck to go with the talent the ball doesn't always bounce your way.

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  • Basketball Fan
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    Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post

    Winning 2 of 4 absolutely is a mini dynasty in the modern NFL. The Rodgers Packers, Brees Saints, or Seahawks couldn’t do it and those were some great teams (even if they do it now it will be with very different teams than the original, whereas the 09 Colts still had a lot of big 06 Colts). The Manning Colts just missed it. It’s tough.

    What in the world do the Baltimore Super Bowls have to do with this? I’m talking about if the Colts had won the Super Bowl 10 years ago to give them 2 out of 4 titles (06 and 09), not the Baltimore Colts.

    Given the Colts year after year consistency back then, they absolutely would have been a mini dynasty had they won the 09 championship. Notice I said mini. I’m not saying they would be the Pats or 90’s Cowboys. But winning 2 out of 4 Super Bowls would have put us in rarified NFL history. To say otherwise is just completely ignoring the fact that any team winning multiple Super Bowls in a short time span is very rare. By “team” I don’t mean the same organization (ie I’m not talking about the 71 Baltimore Colts). I mean a team that wins multiple titles within a short time span with numerous players on both teams.
    The 4 appearances? The Colts only appeared in 2 SBs (in the Indy era) the Baltimore Colts appeared in 2 themselves that's what I thought you were referring to. It would've been great if we won 2 SBs when we had the chance. I just don't get where the 4 SB's come from on your end.

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  • Basketball Fan
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    Yeah I mean honestly after losing to the Dolphins they should've brought out the tank.

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  • Sollozzo
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    Originally posted by BornIndy View Post
    Just give me 1 more win. That's all I ask
    You must have some scratch riding on them winning at least 7 games. Surely you don’t genuinely care about them winning at this point lol. I know I don’t.

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  • Bball
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    Originally posted by BornIndy View Post
    Just give me 1 more win. That's all I ask
    In my best Jim Mora voice-

    "Win? Win? WIN? Don't talk to me about winning! Are you kidding me, a win!??? I'm just hoping not to be embarrassed! Just not frickin' embarrassed!"

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