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Andrew Luck Isnít Great - SI's MMQB Article

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    Andrew Luck Isnít Great -
    He may be the NFL's next great quarterback, but anyone claiming Luck is already among the best of the best hasn't been watching closely enough

    It has been repeated so many times that itís almost taken as gospel: Andrew Luck is the NFLís next great quarterback. Many think heís already there. But hereís a little secret that you wonít hear: Heís not great yet.

    In fact, you could make the case that Luck makes about two or three huge mental errors each game that make you say, ďWhat was he thinking?Ē For some reason, Luck gets a pass on these. If it were any other No. 1 pick, youíd hear increasing chatter about how Luck will make a big mistake if you let him.

    Sundayís 51-34 loss to the Steelers was just the latest example. It will be glossed over because (a) The Colts wouldnít have been competitive without Luckís heroics, and (b) The Coltsí defense was roadkill, but Indianapolisí first two drives ended on poor third-down passes from Luck to Hakeem Nicks. And then, trailing 14-3 early in the second quarter, Luck made what he later admitted was a ďstupidĒ play when he stared down (a very bad habit of his) Nicks, making for William Gayís easy pick six and a 21-3 Pittsburgh lead.

    Some will pin the blame on the Coltsí below average offensive line, but according to, Luck was pressured 15 times in 58 dropbacks (25.8 percent) on Sunday. That isnít great, but itís acceptable if youíre a pocket quarterback. For a mobile passer like Luck, thatís a normal day at the office.

    To Luckís credit, he never stops fighting and his touchdown pass to Dwayne Allen on the next series was just superb. And Luck has many more of those superb plays than the boneheaded ones. Heís big, strong, mobile, ultracompetitive and can make throws that guys like Peyton Manning, Tom Brady and Drew Brees can only dream about. Luck is that talented, no question. Aaron Rodgers is probably the only quarterback that approaches Luck in terms of the total talent package.

    Then you get plays like the butt safetyówith the Colts down 42-34 and 12:35 to play and it didnít look like he tripped over anything but his own feetóand it doesnít compute. Those plays happen more with Luck than anyone wants to admit.

    Against the Broncos earlier this season, Luck threw high and incomplete on third-and-1 to halt the opening series. On the second series, he had a clean pocket and threw high to Allen and was intercepted. Down 17-0, he was sacked after 3.3 seconds (plenty of time) and the Colts wound up trailing 24-0 before losing by a respectable score of 31-24, but it wasnít that close.

    Hosting the Eagles in Week 2, the Colts led 20-6 midway through the third quarter. Still leading 27-20 with the ball deep in Eagles territory and 5:08 left, receiver T.Y. Hilton fell down and Luck was intercepted. Luck stared down Hilton so long that the pass still might have been intercepted had Hilton kept his feet. The safety came from 10 yards behind the play to jump the route.
    Tied at 27 with 2:12 to go on third-and-5, Luck wouldnít pull the trigger to Nicks, held the ball and was hit as he threw incomplete. The Eagles got the ball, kicked a field goal and won 30-27.

    Luck was terrific beating Jacksonville and Tennessee by a combined score of 85-34. Weeeeeeee!

    With a 3-0 lead against the Ravens, on a second-and-14, Luck held the ball, didnít see a late linebacker blitz and was drilled as he was intercepted by Haloti Ngata. With 1:10 left in the first quarter, Luck threw deep into double coverage and was lucky not to be intercepted. Leading 13-3, Luck stared down his receiver and was nearly intercepted by Lardarius Webb. Still leading 13-3 with the ball on the Baltimore 10 and 1:11 left in the third quarter, Luck had plenty of time to throw, didnít initially hit Ahmad Bradshaw open in the flat, ran into pressure, threw into coverage and was intercepted. The Colts wound up winning 20-13.

    Against the Texans on Thursday night football, Luck threw a tipped interception while playing with a 24-7 lead. With 10:45 remaining and leading 33-21, Luck called for the silent shotgun snap, didnít initially get it, dropped his hand, and then center Jonotthan Harrison hit him right in the chest with the snap. Luck didnít catch it, and J.J. Watt returned it for a touchdown. With a chance to cement the game leading 33-28 with 8:25 left on a third-and-9, Luck had Reggie Wayne wide open on a deep crossing route. Luck threw low and Wayne couldnít make the diving catch. The Colts survived 33-28 in a game that shouldnít have been that close.

    Despite beating the Bengals 27-0, Luck still had his lulls. On the final play of the second drive, Luck threw a hospital ball to Wayne over the middle that fell incomplete (Wayneís ACL tear, you might remember, happened because of a poor low throw from Luck last season). On second-and-goal with 1:54 left in a scoreless first quarter, Luck got tunnel vision again and completely missed a wide-open Bradshaw in the right flat for a walk-in touchdown. And leading 10-0 with 1:14 remaining in the first half, Luck threw way wide of Coby Fleener, who didnít have a defender within 12 yards of him.

    Go back to the playoff loss to the Patriots last year. On the third play of the game, Luck stared down LaVon Brazill, cornerback Alfonzo Dennard jumped the route and returned it to the 2-yard line to set up a Patriots touchdown. Down 21-12 before halftime, Luck threw behind fullback Stanley Havili and it went off his shoulder for an interception. Down 36-22 with 12:55 remaining, Luck threw a mindless interception into triple coverage, pulled in by linebacker Jamie Collins.

    In the eventual playoff win over the Chiefs, the Colts were down 24-7 at home when Luck was nearly intercepted in the red zone on a third-down pass to Brazill. Trailing 31-10 with 33 seconds left before halftime, Luck was intercepted when he stared down Hilton. And on Luckís first pass of the second half, he stared down Donald Brown and was intercepted.

    Of course, Luck threw for 443 yards and four touchdowns as he rallied the Colts from a 38-10 deficit to win 45-44, so not many remember the three interceptions that put Indianapolis in that hole. Luck is certainly one of those quarterbacks who plays his best when the odds are at their worst. Thatís a testament to his potential greatness. Thereís no question that itís there. You can find multiple examples of it in every game. Luck makes a handful of breathtaking throws every week.

    But until he performs better and smarter, especially early in games and against top opponents, no one should be anointing him a great anything quite yet. This is his third year in the league, and he has started 40 games. Instead of saying how great Luck is, people should be asking why he hasnít been better. If the Colts are to take the next step this season, he needs to be.

  • #2
    Re: Andrew Luck Isnít Great - SI's MMQB Article

    Not sure if it deserved it's own thread but I thought the idea of the article was interesting. You don't see too many articles about Andrew that are negative in nature.


    • #3
      Re: Andrew Luck Isnít Great - SI's MMQB Article

      They are basing this article off of three bad plays from Sunday where Andrew still threw for 400 yards and still had a solid game. I will not even read this trash
      Smothered Chicken!


      • #4
        Re: Andrew Luck Isnít Great - SI's MMQB Article

        Hater nation. Pick apart his few bad plays. You know it's garbage when they basically say "sure he's really really good at like everything, but he overthrew a guy once."
        There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.


        • #5
          Re: Andrew Luck Isnít Great - SI's MMQB Article

          As great as Peyton Manning is, you can still cherry pick missed throws/reads if you look at every play of the game. It is virtually impossible to play this position perfectly.


          • #6
            Re: Andrew Luck Isnít Great - SI's MMQB Article

            Same as I've said before. He's damn good, but still suffers from the occasional brain-fart. Of course, I've been told that's not a valid criticism. At least I can take some comfort in reading this and seeing that a person that makes their living writing about football has a similar opinion. But I digress .............

            I see nothing wrong with the article. And as soon as Luck realizes a few of his flaws, he'll correct them and be a better QB for it. It's just part of the process.


            • #7
              Re: Andrew Luck Isnít Great - SI's MMQB Article

              Originally posted by PacerDude View Post
              Same as I've said before. He's damn good, but still suffers from the occasional brain-fart. Of course, I've been told that's not a valid criticism.
              It's a valid criticism, it's just a criticism that applies to every QB that plays the game, which is why pointing it out doesn't invalidate the idea that Luck is one of the best in the game.

              Basically it would be like saying, "Well Hitter A swings at one, two, three bad pitches every game so therefore he's not one of the best hitters." Um.... every hitter in baseball swings at bad pitches.
              ďJust because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.Ē ― Ricky Gervais.


              • #8
                Re: Andrew Luck Isnít Great - SI's MMQB Article

                I stopped reading at "Andrew Luck Isn't Great."


                • #9
                  Re: Andrew Luck Isnít Great - SI's MMQB Article

                  Originally posted by PacerDude View Post
                  Same as I've said before. He's damn good, but still suffers from the occasional brain-fart. Of course, I've been told that's not a valid criticism. At least I can take some comfort in reading this and seeing that a person that makes their living writing about football has a similar opinion. But I digress .............

                  I see nothing wrong with the article. And as soon as Luck realizes a few of his flaws, he'll correct them and be a better QB for it. It's just part of the process.
                  The first interception was just a bad read of the coverage. The second was him trying to get a quick score down by 10 late. The safety I agree was a mental mishap, but you cannot say this article is justified off of really one really big mental mishap. Either way, it would have been a safety because he tripped on the offensive lineman's foot. Luck is still young and yes makes mistakes, but all QBs make mistakes. He still makes great decisions the majority of the time and the physical tools of a great NFL QB. This loss was due to the injuries and the atrocious covering job of the Colts secondary.
                  Smothered Chicken!


                  • #10
                    Re: Andrew Luck Isnít Great - SI's MMQB Article

                    Luck reminds me a lot of a Peyton/Favre hybrid.

                    One reason Luck tends to throw a lot of tipped interceptions is because almost every pass is a rocket. If the receiver doesn't catch it it's going to pop up in the air. Once he learns to vary the velocity on his throws he'll be unstoppable.


                    • #11
                      Re: Andrew Luck Isnít Great - SI's MMQB Article

                      He's great for a 25 year old. Like, absolutely incredible.

                      Luck 2014: 64.8%, 6.3 TD%, 2.6 INT%, 99.2 QB rating, 341.4 YPG, 7.51 ANY/A
                      Manning 2001: 62.7%, 4.8 TD%, 4.2 INT%, 84.1 QB rating, 258.2 YPG, 5.88 ANY/A
                      Brady 2002: 62.1%, 4.7 TD%, 2.3 INT%, 85.7 QB rating, 235.3 YPG, 5.54 ANY/A
                      Rodgers 2008: 63.6%, 5.2 TD%, 2.4 INT%, 93.8 QB rating, 252.4 YPG, 6.64 ANY/A
                      Favre 1994: 62.4%, 5.7 TD%, 2.4 INT%, 90.7 QB rating, 242.6 YPG, 6.08 ANY/A
                      Rivers 2006: 61.7%, 4.8 TD%, 2.0 INT%, 92.0 QB rating, 211.8 YPG, 6.73 ANY/A


                      • #12
                        Re: Andrew Luck Isnít Great - SI's MMQB Article

                        The funny thing is after the years of watching Peyton there were many throws where you just wonder what in the world did Manning see. I guarantee you that you could look at guys like Peyton, Tom, Drew, or Aaron and find throws where you think why did they do that or just bonehead plays. If you look at any great QB under the microscope like this article did you are going to find flaws because no QB is perfect.

                        I love how the writer just scoffs at the line protection in the Steelers game because he is "mobile." So because Luck is mobile he negates the fact that he was under pressure all day long in the pocket and really did not have room to escape? The guy was getting the hell beat out of him because he was staying in the pocket to deliver the passes.

                        Now of course Luck is not above criticism because some of the issues pointed out are a valid concern, but the fact he has done what he has done with some of these flaws and as such a young age is a testament to how good he is and how good he will be.


                        • #13
                          Re: Andrew Luck Isnít Great - SI's MMQB Article

                          Leading the league in TDs and Yards in his 3rd season with minimal help from the offensive line and a meh running game as well. I would have to think that the writer was just looking for click bait because the assertion he is making is absolutely absurd.


                          • #14
                            Re: Andrew Luck Isnít Great - SI's MMQB Article

                            I think the article has a bad premise, but brings up some good points. Luck does have some flaws that even national people tend to gloss over in their race to make him the next Hall of Fame QB. But that doesn't mean he already isn't great, or that he has the tools to get even better.

                            For example, here are some of Luck's flaws:

                            Accuracy: Luck has only average to above average accuracy. This year is easily his best year in terms of completion percentage, and yet he ranks 15th in completion percentage. To compare him to some other QB's that he's usually matched up with, Brees is 1st, Manning is 2nd, Roethlisberger is 3rd, Rivers is 4th, Rodgers is 6th, and Brady is 16th. While this is partially influenced by how much the Colts like to go down the field (more on that in his strengths) it's also influenced the other way by the fact that the Colts easily have a top 10 receiving core and maybe a top 5. Wayne has some of the best hands in the league, Hilton has shown he can catch passes thrown behind him, Allen is good at that, etc.

                            Taking chances: Luck is 25th in the league in INT rate this year. INT rate is a little bit variable from year to year, and Luck was obviously a lot better at it last year so time will tell how his numbers will stabilize, but it's definitely something he's worse at than most of the other great QB's. Again for comparison, Brady is 2nd, Roethlisberger is 4th, Rodgers is 5th, Manning is 6th, Rivers is 10th, and Brees is 21st.

                            Not being able to take some easier throws: This is something that would be hard to prove without stats that I don't have (like the average time before release, which I'm sure is out there). But I think it's generally agreed that Luck holds on to the ball longer that most other QB's. Definitely more than players like Manning, Rivers, and Brady who run a lot of shorter routes and use their accuracy to move down the field. This doesn't do the offensive line any favors, and it also causes lots of longer throws that produce big plays but also more drive stops and turnovers.

                            Luck's strengths

                            Either the best or 2nd best (behind Roethlisberger) at shaking off tacklers and making a play. Luck is simply amazing at it. Big, strong, able to complete passes with people hanging all over him. He does have a tendency to throw it away when he's almost on the ground. You can decide whether that part is a strength or a weakness. It's a bigtime risky play, but sacks are drive killers so it might be a strength.

                            Ability to run: Luck is always a threat with his legs, and is big and powerful when he does that. That changes the coverage more than most realize. And he tends to only bring it out when he really needs it in order to stay healthy, which means he's even more powerful in key situations.

                            Arm strength: Both in throwing way down the field and throwing the intermediate ball with zip, Luck can fit plays into tight windows with ease. And the fact that he is always extending plays makes him super dangerous on those type of plays.

                            I think the Peyton/Favre cross is a pretty good one, and I'd throw in Big Ben as a third one. Luck is a top 5 QB right now who could easily win the MVP. But in the days of hyper efficiency and needing to preserve possessions, he needs to learn how to become much more efficient like the elite QB's are. And that's something we have seen with maturity in all the top QB's. They change their style of play as they age to focus more on moving the chains and just picking you apart. There's no reason to think he won't get there, and he's already ridiculously good being somewhat of a gunslinger right now.


                            • #15
                              Re: Andrew Luck Isnít Great - SI's MMQB Article

                              Andrew Luck throws interceptions so he's not great.....even though he got hit on what seemed like 80% of his drop backs. Let's ignore that. Or the fact that while his pick 6 was pretty awful the fact that Nicks didn't even try to come back for the ball was almost as bad.

                              Let's ignore the fact that his first three years numbers are probably going to end up superior to Peyton in every category, including the interceptions people love to nail Luck for.

                              Let's ignore the fact that Luck got playoff win number 1 in his second season whereas it took Peyton 4 trips to the playoffs and 6 NFL regular seasons before he snagged a playoff win.

                              Let's ignore all of that just so we can get some page hits. This is the biggest problem with journalists. They have always been sensational, but now in a world driven by page clicks they choose to be even more sensational. This goes on the Andrew Luck garbage heap right next to the Texans writer who spent the first half of last season claiming that Matt Schaub was better than Luck.