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    Tbird's 2014 offseason preview #2: potential free agent moves, not including Lance Stephenson

    With Indiana looking to be mostly cash strapped this off season, that doesn't change the fact that our Pacers still have holes that need to be filled. Obviously, Lance Stephenson is the major free agent that would seemingly be in our front office plans, but we will still need to add a couple of pieces no matter what happens with Stephenson. And if Stephenson would happen to get a front loaded offer of some sort that we simply cannot afford to match, then of course we will have a starter to replace as well.

    Indiana is obviously not a destination city for any of this years marquee front line free agents. Partly due to geography, but mostly due to money available. So, Indiana must go outside the box and scour the world for potential players who can help them, and perhaps scrape the bargain bin in the process or possibly convince veteran players in pursuit of a ring to take massive pay cuts to join us. This is a list of potential good fits I think for our roster, style of play, and price range:


    1. ORLANDO JOHNSON

    Yes, we drafted Orlando and then cut him this year in a roster purge surrounding the additions of Lavoy Allen, Andrew Bynum, and Evan Turner. Johnson is young, cheap, knows our system, and more importantly is an extremely high character locker room presence......this will come in a later article, but I think while many Pacers fans were falsely assuming that losing Granger hurt our locker room, that it was by far a much more massive loss for our team chemistry to lose Orlando Johnson. Assuming Johnson would take the minimum deal, or just a smidge above that, I'd bring him back.

    2. CHRIS SINGLETON

    Singleton is a tall and defensive minded wing buried in the cess pool that is the player development system in Washington. Singleton was a first round pick that I liked coming out of Florida State as a potential major wing defensive weapon, but for whatever reason he hasn't panned out in D.C. I like him as a defensive option behind Paul George potentially, and I definitely think he is at least worth investigating on a non guaranteed or minimum contract.

    3. KEITH LANGFORD

    Langford is a 6'4 shooting guard who is one of the best players in Europe. He has a huge wingspan of 6'9, and he is a lefty, which is something I always tend to like as an evaluator. He played his college ball at Kansas years ago, but has been in Europe for quite a while, and in fact I think he was the leading scorer this year in the Euroleague. He is 30 years old, so he is in his prime and could be enticed to come over for a small commitment and chance to play for a top contender. Especially if Lance leaves, I think he could be a low cost short term option.

    4. GLEN "BIG BABY" DAVIS

    Yes, I know all about Davis and his attitude problems. And I am not crazy about suggesting this pick up, but if we find ourselves needing a back up 4 man for much cheaper than Luis Scola will be, then I think Davis is worth talking about. He is playoff tested and has been through the wars, and is a tough minded intense player who is unafraid to play in big games. He likely can be had for a small short term contract.

    5. MARVIN WILLIAMS

    We will need a back up wing no matter what we do with Lance Stephenson, because likely Turner will not return and Rasual Butler is on his last legs and not that good anyway. Williams never lived up to his draft pick at #2 all those years ago, but he is still a long 3 man who can shoot a little bit, and he can play at the 4 in certain lineups, giving Indiana potential backups at 2 different spots. I like Williams as an upside play because he gives you positional flexibility and because I think he has been poorly coached in his career in Atlanta and Utah.

    6. SHAWN MARION

    Again, Marion gives you a potential backup at a couple of different spots, gives you 3 point shooting, and gives you a still high level defender who has played in championship level games. He is not at all close to the athletic freak he used to be, but on a 1-2 year deal for cheap money, if he wants to play here and chase a ring I think he could help us and make sense.

    7. MICHAEL BEASLEY

    Yes, typing that makes me squeamish. But, he is still very young, and Beasley can at least score the ball. He has fresh young legs, much younger than the guys I mentioned right above him. Perhaps playing in our culture, with Bird, Walsh, and David West all around to mentor him and teach him how to be a pro.....and the knowledge that Indiana could be his last stop, might get his still large amount of potential out of him. This would be a low risk, upside play here for cheap money....preferably non guaranteed money.

    8. MALCOLM DELANEY

    Delaney at one time was the leading scorer in the ACC, but mainly due to a semi lack of position didn't stick in the league. So, he went to Europe and has excelled there recently, becoming one of Europe's best guards. This year playing for a German club and coach, the utilized primarily at the point guard position, where he was borderline too athletic for most of the Euroleague guards to handle. His team, Bayern Munich, I think won the title there if I am not mistaken. He has always been able to score off the dribble and run pick/roll, and as a cheap option as a bigger point guard or combination guy in the backcourt, he could make some sense. He is just 25 years old, so again this would be an upside play with a chance to pay off much bigger down the road. Houston has been interested in him for a while now, and in fact tried to sign him last year but who couldn't get out of his contract.....now I believe he is unrestricted. He will be on someone's summer team this year and likely in the league next year if he finds the right fit.....since we are a good spot for combo guards like him, we might just be it. Worth pursuing by our international scouting staff at least.

    9. RICHARD JEFFERSON

    Yet another candidate for a backup wing spot, he is getting up there but likely has a little left in the tank. Jefferson has good size and could be a nice short term backup for Paul George, and maybe could play along side Paul on occasion. Again, this is a veteran minimum type of move on a short term deal.

    10. SHAUN LIVINGSTON

    These last 2 potential players are more high profile and high dollar possibilities. Livingston obviously would be a good fit regardless, but likely wouldn't end up here unless Lance Stephenson moves on. Livingston would be an outstanding fit in Indiana with our current roster set up, as he could share ball handling duties as a starter alongside George Hill and play back up point guard as well. Livingston is still young, and while he will never be as dynamic as we potentially could have been before his horrific injury, he remains a high character guy with tremendous floor vision and ability to make plays.

    If I were Indiana, I would look to sign Livingston no matter what Stephenson does, though he would need to be a mid level type of signing and he would take some other corresponding moves on our roster to make him affordable. (such as likely moving CJ Watson to a team with cap space, or possibly moving Mahimni and getting a cheaper back up center). Then with that, you'd want to get a young and super quick point guard defender, who maybe could be more of a scorer on offense as your 4th guard.....those guys are easy to come by and are normally fairly cheap.

    11. PAU GASOL

    Now listen, before everyone starts criticizing this, hear me out: This is our move I think if we choose to trade Roy Hibbert.....which I highly highly doubt we do. But if we did, I'd pursue Gasol to fill his spot and still try and make a run at the title this year. I think Gasol needs to play with a strong coach and for a chance at the title for players he respects to become his best, and I think Indiana would have all of that for him. I also think he'd take a pretty substantial pay cut to play for a winner. I am terrified that he ends up in Miami actually, but if we would happen to deal Hibbert somewhere, signing Gasol would mean we could be more flexible in what we took back in that trade.

    I am not for trading Hibbert by the way, since I'd rather ride it out these next 2 years and then start planning to add a big star next to Paul George in the summer of 2016 while seeing if I can turn Hibbert around......but if they do move him, Gasol is the best short term solution out there that keeps our window open while giving us still some long term flexibility.

    THINGS TO KEEP IN MIND AS YOU READ THIS

    ----These 11 free agents are all unrestricted free agents, so Indiana wouldn't have to worry about tying up money for Lance Stephenson or offer sheets or anything like that. There were some restricted free agents who may have made this list, except that Indiana has repeatedly proven that they will not go after anyone else's restricted free agent....a decision that I believe comes directly from ownership.

    ----Obviously, we could only sign one or two of these guys likely, as we would be probably using money from the mid level exception and splitting it up into a couple of different contracts.

    ----I intentionally didn't put this list into any real order of preference, though obviously I'd love to see Shaun Livingston be a Pacer, it likely wouldn't happen unless Stephenson leaves. If however Bird could add Livingston and keep Stephenson, then that obviously would be my preference like it would most everyone else I assume.....a 3 man backcourt rotation of Hill, Stephenson, and Livingston with a cheap 4th guard brought in for defensive purposes would be really strong in my opinion.

    -----Upcoming articles planned in the off season series are about:

    -Upgrading potentially the Pacers player development staff in a substantial way
    -Potential new assistant coaching candidates I want to throw out there.
    -Suggestions on radically changing how we play offense while keeping similar personnel
    -A summer wrap up about where we have been, where we are, and where we are going.
    -And of course, more draft player profiles are coming as well in the next week or so.

    This time until next time......


    Tbird
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    Re: Tbird's 2014 offseason preview #2: potential free agent moves, not including Lance Stephenson

    As always, love your contributions tbird. With that being said, I would lose my ****ing **** if Michael Beasley were on the Pacers. I want no part of him, his crazy, or the potential combined crazy of him and Lance Stephenson. No, no, no.

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      Re: Tbird's 2014 offseason preview #2: potential free agent moves, not including Lance Stephenson

      Originally posted by thunderbird1245 View Post
      MICHAEL BEASLEY

      Yes, typing that makes me squeamish.
      Squeamish?

      It makes me struggle to hold in the projectile vomiting.



      But I love the OJ, Singleton, Livingston, and Langford suggestions
      The poster "pacertom" since this forum began (and before!). I changed my name here to "Slick Pinkham" in honor of the imaginary player That Bobby "Slick" Leonard picked late in the 1971 ABA draft (true story!).

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        Re: Tbird's 2014 offseason preview #2: potential free agent moves, not including Lance Stephenson

        Im just sick of Hibbert and his play.. I hope we trade him.. Pau Gasol doesn't really interest me but if it means getting rid of Hibbert Im fine with that

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        • #5
          Re: Tbird's 2014 offseason preview #2: potential free agent moves, not including Lance Stephenson

          I'd trade Hibbert to free up salary and add Gasol. That would be a game changer.

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          • #6
            Re: Tbird's 2014 offseason preview #2: potential free agent moves, not including Lance Stephenson

            I am curious as to what TBird's opinion is of Lavoy Allen......could his presence make Ian expendable? Scola expendable?

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            • #7
              Re: Tbird's 2014 offseason preview #2: potential free agent moves, not including Lance Stephenson

              I think Bird plans on having Solo as PG's back-up at SF so I would be surprised if Singleton was brought in.

              They may bring in Marion or Jefferson for a year or two just in case Solo isn't quite ready.

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              • #8
                Re: Tbird's 2014 offseason preview #2: potential free agent moves, not including Lance Stephenson

                I think the Pacers are good at SF. Solo should do just fine as a 3 and D guy.

                I like Livingston, but I can't see past his injury history. No thanks. I'm fine with Big Baby and OJ (but only as a backup sg). Scola is a bad fit for the Pacers, so I hope he isn't retained. I really like Scola, but it's apparent that he's done as a player who can play meaningful minutes.

                I'm all about trading Hill/Hibbert.

                This team needs to build around Lance and PG. With that in mind, West and Hibbert are just too slow. It's fine with one slow big, but not 2 with 2 young athletic wings that want/need to run.

                Really want the Pacers to persue Reggie Jackson. He'll offer everything Hill does, but can create for himself and score.
                First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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                • #9
                  Re: Tbird's 2014 offseason preview #2: potential free agent moves, not including Lance Stephenson

                  What about Jeff Adrien?

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                  • #10
                    Re: Tbird's 2014 offseason preview #2: potential free agent moves, not including Lance Stephenson

                    Jameer Nelson should be on this list as he will probably be cut and signed for cheap if he wants to play for a contender. He'll add consistent scoring, a veteran presence, and experience at a needed postion. I think there's a good chance OJ will be back because of the failed Turner trade. I'd be interested in giving Delaney a chance, he sounds like he could be an addition like Daniels in Houston. I think the Pacers should look at unrestricted free agent Ed Davis who Bird actually was thinking about taking over Paul George in the 2010 draft. Davis may have some untapped potential that the Pacers could benefit from.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Tbird's 2014 offseason preview #2: potential free agent moves, not including Lance Stephenson

                      Originally posted by sav View Post
                      I think Bird plans on having Solo as PG's back-up at SF so I would be surprised if Singleton was brought in.

                      They may bring in Marion or Jefferson for a year or two just in case Solo isn't quite ready.
                      No matter what...the Pacers have to add a 10th Player to the rotation. I don't mean a "Player getting 10th rotational minutes" ( as in 5 to 10 consistent minutes )....I mean add a Player that will likely be used as a 7th to 10th man in the rotation getting anywhere between a consistent 5 to 24 mpg ( depending on the quality of the Player ).

                      In the end, the quality of the Player that we pursue ( whether it be OJ or Marion ) will be entirely dependent on how much Lance is offered.
                      Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Tbird's 2014 offseason preview #2: potential free agent moves, not including Lance Stephenson

                        Originally posted by Pacersalltheway10 View Post
                        What about Jeff Adrien?
                        I really liked him in Milwaukee. He's a bit undersized for a PF, has little range....but is a very solid, efficient and active "inside the paint" scoring / rebounding Backup PF that I think could be had for cheap.

                        But the question then becomes whether we need another backup PF. My preference is to go after a backup PF/C....either via the draft or free Agency.
                        Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Tbird's 2014 offseason preview #2: potential free agent moves, not including Lance Stephenson

                          I would like to add Kevin Seraphin to the list of possible Free Agents to go after. He's a RFA for the Wizards but was under-utilized last season. I think that he still has upside as an athletic PF/C that could be had for a reasonable price.
                          Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Tbird's 2014 offseason preview #2: potential free agent moves, not including Lance Stephenson

                            Originally posted by Sparhawk View Post
                            I think the Pacers are good at SF. Solo should do just fine as a 3 and D guy.

                            I like Livingston, but I can't see past his injury history. No thanks. I'm fine with Big Baby and OJ (but only as a backup sg). Scola is a bad fit for the Pacers, so I hope he isn't retained. I really like Scola, but it's apparent that he's done as a player who can play meaningful minutes.

                            I'm all about trading Hill/Hibbert.

                            This team needs to build around Lance and PG. With that in mind, West and Hibbert are just too slow. It's fine with one slow big, but not 2 with 2 young athletic wings that want/need to run.

                            Really want the Pacers to persue Reggie Jackson. He'll offer everything Hill does, but can create for himself and score.
                            If we add another Wing Player ( as opposed to a backup PG that can actually run the point ), I would prefer to add a 3-D type Player....even if Solo can potentially fill that role. I'd ultimately prefer to go after an ELITE perimeter shooter or defender....but if you can go after one that can adequately fill both roles....you can never have enough defense or 3pt shooting.
                            Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Tbird's 2014 offseason preview #2: potential free agent moves, not including Lance Stephenson

                              I agree about Langford, I have wanted him and Bo McCalebb for years now. The issue is these guy won't come over just to be a backup guard; after being major stars, for major clubs in Europe. I bet he stays overseas the rest of his career.


                              I do like that we have invested in more scouting overseas. It is still a undervalued market IMO.
                              Last edited by pacer4ever; 06-17-2014, 06:20 PM.

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