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Message to the Pacers front office re: Lance Stephenson

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    Message to the Pacers front office re: Lance Stephenson

    TPTB:

    At the time Lance Stephenson was drafted, I was livid. I thought Bird had not learned a single thing from the brawl. I thought the intent was to build a franchise like the San Antonio Spurs, yet we decide to bring in a bad apple because Larry doesn't want "all milk driinkers", if I recall that correctly. Well, I decided to go along with it and see if a bad apple could be handled if you have enough good ones.

    When I saw Lance in summer league, I didn't think he had a chance. I didn't think he could guard any position in the NBA. He looked too slow. The fact is, I was wrong about that. He was just raw as any player who has probably donned a Pacer uniform. I sat back and watched him flounder and wondered when he would be out of the league.

    As time progressed, Lance Stephenson progressed on the court. During his development, there were early hints that he might be a problem in the locker room. There was an incident with Danny Granger, right? I cannot find that googling, but that is what I recall. Granger is a player Lance should have looked up to and learned from. A franchise player who may not have been as good a player at the time, but deserved the utmost respect from a young player. Apparently with Lance, that rule of life was never learned.

    Meanwhile, Bird looks the other way and instead criticizes Granger's work ethic. Perhaps accurate but Bird needed to step back and look at the big picture. Something a Spurs executive might be doing.

    Lance continued his growth, becoming a good backup then a very good starter. Frankly, earlier this season he truly became the most consistent player on this team rivaling Paul George for the most talented player on the team, notwithstanding his naysayers. Led the team in FG%, rebounds and assists...as a SG...on the very best team record-wise in the league. Quite an accomplishment for a 2nd round player.

    As the season wore on, things happened I'm sure that never reached the public's ears. That's fine. You don't need to tell us. We already know at least part of the deal:

    1) Danny Granger Trade (Feb. 28)
    http://nba.si.com/2014/02/28/danny-g...sixers-pacers/
    Source: Sports Illustrated
    Author: Ben Golliver

    Things were sliding downhill for the team leading up to the Granger / Turner failure of a trade. It's hard to say if players knew it was coming, but if I recall correctly didn't DWest and Hill show a negative reaction to the trade? Google isn't turning up anything, but I recall seeing them walk away from a camera muttering something negative about it. IMO, that was the first public warning of the downfall.

    2) Selfish Dudes Comment (March 31)
    http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.c...dudes-in-here/
    Source: NBC Sports
    Author: Dan Feldman

    Things are now free falling. This was right in the middle of a stretch the team had lost 8 of 11 games.

    3) George Hill & Lance Stephenson separated by team mates (April 1)
    http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.c...loss-to-spurs/
    Source: NBC Sports
    Author: Dan Feldman
    Date: April 1

    About the same time...an appropriate date for something foolish to happen. Pacers now losing lots of games and looking nothing like they had earlier in the season.

    4) Evan Turner & Lance Stephenson fight right before playoffs (April 23)
    http://nba.si.com/2014/04/23/lance-s...tice-playoffs/
    Source: NBC Sports
    Author:Sports Illustrated

    Wonderful. Granger is out of the picture and Lance is exerting his power apparently. Acting all tough...with Bird standing by his man as the team implodes.

    Bottom line? Bird needs to learn from his mistakes. It's not about drafting and acquiring a milk drinker. You can get a guy with an edge. But the fact is, other NBA executives saw the warning signs with Lance Stephenson and passed. Now you should know why they did that.
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    Re: Message to the Pacers front office re: Lance Stephenson

    Me Thinks your time line is wrong...

    January 22 - Pacers start to fall apart. Beginning of Hibbert self destruction
    February 1 - Pacers brass desperate due to Hibbert issues, sign Bynum
    February 5 - Rumors circulate of Paul George cheating on Doc River's daughter, getting a Miami stripper pregnant, then offering her a large sum of money to have an abortion
    February 5 - Paul George get's significantly worse for the rest of the year
    February 16 - All star break, Pacer's fans hopeful break will help team.
    All Start break weekend - something happens that destroys team chemistry. Persistent rumors involving PG and Hibbert. Hibbert falls completely apart for the rest of the year and doesn't take responsibility for his play, blames others.
    March 4 - Pacers fall apart for the rest of year
    March 22 - Rumors that PG has been sending pics of his penis in a catfish scam
    Also around this time, rumors circulate that Lance thinks he's the man and is upset at all the attention PG is getting, and is irritated at the obvious disintegration of the team caused by Hibbert and PG woman issues.
    March 31 - selfish dudes comment. Everyone assumes Hibbert is talking about himself (just kidding) statistical analysis leads everyone to believe it can't be Lance as he's the one guy who still actually passes to Hibbert and has more assists to Hibbert than anyone else.

    May 29 - PG get's hit with a paternity suit.

    I think assuming Lance is the problem is completely ignoring the issues PG has had with his penis this year, not to mention Hibbert's completely inability to play basketball. It's also ignoring that Lance was our only started who actually gave 100 percent for the entire postseason, as opposed to Hibbert (no effort) west (sometimes no effort) hill (sometimes no effort) and pg (sometimes less effort).
    Danger Zone

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    • #3
      Re: Message to the Pacers front office re: Lance Stephenson

      Not going to panic, but Lance's behavior the last 2-3 games in the playoffs were a cause for concern with me. I know he hugged it out of LeBron afterwards, but some of his "antics" were a big red flag for me.

      This on top of bad body language throughout the season when things didn't go his way, or he didn't get a ball thrown to him when open, etc..

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      • #4
        Re: Message to the Pacers front office re: Lance Stephenson

        Originally posted by pwee31 View Post
        Not going to panic, but Lance's behavior the last 2-3 games in the playoffs were a cause for concern with me. I know he hugged it out of LeBron afterwards, but some of his "antics" were a big red flag for me.

        The disrespect he showed towards Wade and The King was horrible. Doesn't he realize these are the champs.

        I wish Lance could learn to handle himself like a champion and a professional like this:

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        • #5
          Re: Message to the Pacers front office re: Lance Stephenson

          I wish this didnt read like it was from a group of Pacers fans. Just for the record I'm not of this opinion. I respect it but its not representative of All Pacers fans.

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          • #6
            Re: Message to the Pacers front office re: Lance Stephenson

            Message to FO, Please bring back Lance.....

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            • #7
              Re: Message to the Pacers front office re: Lance Stephenson


              Have to admit, if Lance is going to do something like this in the first place, a part of me would
              like to see him at least do it like a man and not pussy-foot around. Back in the day someone
              like Charles Barkley would have just straight-up b**ch slapped him.

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              • #8
                Re: Message to the Pacers front office re: Lance Stephenson

                Bird thank you for saving our Franchise from becoming the LasVegas Pacers.

                God Bless and have a great offseason.

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                • #9
                  Re: Message to the Pacers front office re: Lance Stephenson

                  Originally posted by Rogco View Post
                  Me Thinks your time line is wrong...

                  January 22 - Pacers start to fall apart. Beginning of Hibbert self destruction
                  February 1 - Pacers brass desperate due to Hibbert issues, sign Bynum
                  February 5 - Rumors circulate of Paul George cheating on Doc River's daughter, getting a Miami stripper pregnant, then offering her a large sum of money to have an abortion
                  February 5 - Paul George get's significantly worse for the rest of the year
                  February 16 - All star break, Pacer's fans hopeful break will help team.
                  All Start break weekend - something happens that destroys team chemistry. Persistent rumors involving PG and Hibbert. Hibbert falls completely apart for the rest of the year and doesn't take responsibility for his play, blames others.
                  March 4 - Pacers fall apart for the rest of year
                  March 22 - Rumors that PG has been sending pics of his penis in a catfish scam
                  Also around this time, rumors circulate that Lance thinks he's the man and is upset at all the attention PG is getting, and is irritated at the obvious disintegration of the team caused by Hibbert and PG woman issues.
                  March 31 - selfish dudes comment. Everyone assumes Hibbert is talking about himself (just kidding) statistical analysis leads everyone to believe it can't be Lance as he's the one guy who still actually passes to Hibbert and has more assists to Hibbert than anyone else.

                  May 29 - PG get's hit with a paternity suit.

                  I think assuming Lance is the problem is completely ignoring the issues PG has had with his penis this year, not to mention Hibbert's completely inability to play basketball. It's also ignoring that Lance was our only started who actually gave 100 percent for the entire postseason, as opposed to Hibbert (no effort) west (sometimes no effort) hill (sometimes no effort) and pg (sometimes less effort).
                  First, I have been a HUGE Lance supporter but the writing has been getting written on the walls for months now. As much as I like Lance, it simply cannot be denied. He's at least one of the major strains of cancer on this team.

                  Second, they didn't sign Bynum because they thought Hibbert was falling apart. They signed him to keep him from Miami. Hibbert already came out and said they were buddies...I think it was something related to gaming together.

                  Third, Paul's baby mama drama may have affected his game. I would not be surprised at all. But it didn't cause the entire team to fall apart. Nor did it cause the fights between Lance, Turner and George Hill...or the prior incident with Granger. There is a clear pattern. Now you get to see Lance in action right on the court with LeBron. Immature and always trying to bully someone. That is Lance. He is a bully and that's why that locker room had issues I bet. It's no surprise Hill had to be separated from Lance because Hill doesn't take crap from anyone.

                  Also, Hibbert's comment was not about West or PG. Wasn't that published? I'm sure it wasn't about Ian, Cope or Scola. It was about either Hill or Lance...or both...because neither of their names were mentioned. Notice that Hill and Lance had to be separated about the time Hibbert said it. This is not rocket science. This is not about Lance Stephenson sharing or not sharing the ball. It's about him picking fights with his team mates and attempting to intimidate/bully them...IMHO.

                  Edit: BTW, my timeline wasn't wrong. It just didn't include Paul's issues and the Bynum signing which you seem to consider the root cause of the team's downfall.
                  Last edited by BlueNGold; 06-01-2014, 08:20 PM.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Message to the Pacers front office re: Lance Stephenson

                    Originally posted by Speed View Post
                    I wish this didnt read like it was from a group of Pacers fans. Just for the record I'm not of this opinion. I respect it but its not representative of All Pacers fans.
                    A single thread started by a single poster isn't going to be viewed as "all Pacer fans". It is only my opinion. The thread itself, however, should give them a good idea how the hard core fans feel.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Message to the Pacers front office re: Lance Stephenson

                      Originally posted by Larry Staverman View Post
                      The disrespect he showed towards Wade and The King was horrible. Doesn't he realize these are the champs.

                      I wish Lance could learn to handle himself like a champion and a professional like this:
                      2 wrongs don't make a right. Love that he has an edge and doesn't back down...as long as he stays a good teammate and doesn't put himself before the team. Which is my concern

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                      • #12
                        Re: Message to the Pacers front office re: Lance Stephenson

                        I'm pretty sure Lance's issue was with Dahntay, not Danny. I actually think that Danny was someone Lance respected.

                        Here's why Lance needs to go. There was a team meeting game six. He was told by coaches, players, and Larry Bird to knock it off. Game 6 happened.

                        That's all anyone needs to know. I don't care that he showed up on offense (in the first quarter..and ball stopped.). He has repeatedly shown himself to not play within the team and do what's best for the team.

                        It's funny. He had actually convinced me he had changed the first half of the season. But just watching this team, it was obviously that he's a problem. He may not be the only problem..but he's one of them and a major one.

                        But I've said it before..do the Pacers want to be like the Spurs? Yes? Okay then, the Spurs wouldn't have a guy like Lance on their team.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Message to the Pacers front office re: Lance Stephenson

                          Originally posted by Sookie View Post
                          I'm pretty sure Lance's issue was with Dahntay, not Danny. I actually think that Danny was someone Lance respected.

                          Here's why Lance needs to go. There was a team meeting game six. He was told by coaches, players, and Larry Bird to knock it off. Game 6 happened.

                          That's all anyone needs to know. I don't care that he showed up on offense (in the first quarter..and ball stopped.). He has repeatedly shown himself to not play within the team and do what's best for the team.

                          It's funny. He had actually convinced me he had changed the first half of the season. But just watching this team, it was obviously that he's a problem. He may not be the only problem..but he's one of them and a major one.

                          But I've said it before..do the Pacers want to be like the Spurs? Yes? Okay then, the Spurs wouldn't have a guy like Lance on their team.
                          It indeed involved both.

                          "Veterans Danny Granger and Dahntay Jones took exception to comments made to them during the game by rookie Lance Stephenson. Jones had to be restrained from going after Stephenson in the huddle during a second-half timeout.Things carried over to the locker room after the game when a number of other players were involved in a heated argument.
                          Stephenson, the team’s second-round draft pick, is talented. But there are questions about the 20-year-old’s maturity on and off the court.
                          One of the Pacers’ problems is the absence of a player who can mentor Stephenson and help him grow.
                          “Our problem is internally,” Bird said. “I see what’s going on inside the locker room. I’ve seen a lot of it all year. I tried to address it with different people at the trade deadline.”"

                          http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2011/0...ers-not-coach/
                          Source: NBA
                          Author: Sekou Smith

                          Larry said 3 years ago: "I’ve seen a lot of it all year.". Well, it's not getting better and it's about time to do something about it. For those who think I don't like Lance, you might ask Sookie. I've been defending the man all year long.

                          Edit: I didn't know Kravitz wrote an article but now I'm going to go read it...
                          Last edited by BlueNGold; 06-01-2014, 08:50 PM.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Message to the Pacers front office re: Lance Stephenson

                            The Kravitz article today said Stephenson has to go at all costs and I agree. We took a gamble with Artest and paid dearly for it. I am not saying that Stephenson is Artest, but we just can't take that gamble again. That's not Indiana basketball. I would rather take a small step backwards if that means we have a team that plays for one another and the coach again. If Hibbert has to go to then so be it.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Message to the Pacers front office re: Lance Stephenson

                              The mistake I hope Bird realized is we should have dealt Lance at the deadline. I suggested it and got ripped as to be expected. I understand we were in the midst of a title run. I firmly believe if there were a BANNER in the rafters already Bird would have made the move for the better of the Franchise long term. Simply for one I dont see how we can afford Lancey. Secondly, a first and a solid player in return would have been perfect. (Maybe memphis deals us Tony Allen and a 1st??) I would have listened to that offer.

                              Thirdly, this team went to the ECF and took the Heat to 7 with Lancey as a role player. I got nothing against Lancey,,, just more of a fan of traditional fundamental basketball than the &1 rucker park showboating. Its okay to an extent but just didnt believe the immaturity of Lance ever fit with our Blue Collar starting 5. Will he someday sure, but im not ready to pay him to wait around and find out.

                              Either way, I will trust Legend, and if he hitches his wagon to Lancey he better be ready for the repercussions that impact can have on this Franchise.

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