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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

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We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

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Woj: Lance Is A Clown

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  • Woj: Lance Is A Clown

    Woj points his sanctimonious pen at Lance. Thoughts?

    INDIANAPOLIS – Lance Stephenson is dying for LeBron James to lose his mind and deliver pro basketball the public service of a punch in his mouth. This is the end game for the young Indiana Pacers guard, his flawed and best idea for beating the champions. It'll never happen, because James is too smart and too hell-bent on history to let a clown act get between him and the NBA Finals.

    All around him, the Pacers warn Stephenson to grow up, play the part of a stable pro, and he forever nods in sheepish agreement – only to have his fingers crossed behind his back. Only to shade all of his talents as one of the NBA's most uniquely gifted guards with bush-league theatrics.

    Stephenson comes on a fool's errand, a burgeoning young star whose act should've been anchored long ago on his childhood Coney Island. When his prodigious talent ought to be elevating his standing in the sport, Stephenson is costing himself credibility and contract cash. Most of all, he's costing the Pacers the stability needed to chase a championship.

    These are the Eastern Conference finals, and Stephenson is blowing into the ear of LeBron James. These are the Eastern Conference finals, and he is pushing James at the end of plays, begging for retaliation. These are the Eastern Conference finals and Stephenson is marching into the Heat huddle to hear Erik Spoelstra's plans.

    "I just wanted to hear what he had to say, hear what they were going to do on offense," Stephenson said. "They were trying to run a pick-and-roll and I heard it. …I wanted to get into their heads, get under their skin."

    Foul trouble seemed to slow LeBron James more than Lance Stephenson's antics. (AP)
    When the Pacers finally lose these Eastern Conference finals to the Miami Heat – perhaps as soon as Game 6 on Friday – they'll be largely framed by Stephenson's clown act. He reflects on everyone here. After promising he'd stop trying to incite James and the Heat, Stephenson unloaded everything onto them on Wednesday night. To beat Miami, the Pacers need strong-minded professionalism – an edge that works within the margins. Stephenson won't get away with this nonsense on the road, and yet rest assured: He'll try and he'll fail.
    "We know Miami has what it takes to beat us, but the question is: Do we have what it takes?" David West told Yahoo Sports. "Do we have what it takes to get past them? We've had this hill, this obstacle and we have to get over it."

    Without Stephenson in a serious state of mind, free of the frivolity, Indiana has no chance. In the end, Paul George was the Pacers' hero in Game 5 – his contributions far beyond his 37 points and six steals. His $25,000 fine for grumbling about the foul differential in Game 4 turned out to be the greatest financial investment of his life – $5,000 per foul on LeBron James in Game 5.

    James played 24 minutes, scored seven points, and yet what does it tell you that somehow he still had a chance in the final seconds to beat Indiana? It tells you the gulf is still deep between these two teams, that the Heat are far superior in every element – especially psychologically. Stephenson pesters his own team far more than he does James and the Heat.

    That's why Stephenson goaded Evan Turner into a practice fight on the eve of the playoffs, and why he's forever entangled in dramas with his teammates. From Roy Hibbert and West and George, there was no sense on Wednesday the Pacers veterans found Stephenson's bizarro world the least bit entertaining. They won the game and it felt like his act was an unnecessary evil to them.

    "Lance is Lance," George said.

    Somehow, Indiana survived to make one more trip to Miami for Friday night, and now the Pacers will get the full force of LeBron James in Game 6, the full force of paying for Stephenson's clown show. The Pacers will need him of strong body and mind, need him playing it straight, and now they find out whether Lance Stephenson is capable of playing the part of a real point guard in pursuit of the NBA Finals – or just some clown trying to inspire the greatest player in the world to a meltdown that's never, ever coming.

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    Woj is great at breaking news but a complete asshat when it comes to having any opinion.


    • #3
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      Woj obviously has impeccable sources but when he gets up on his high horse and fancies himself the arbiter of all that is right and in basketball in his columns the guy's just annoying. He loves hearing himself talk.


      • #4
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        Originally posted by Woj
        James played 24 minutes, scored seven points, and yet what does it tell you that somehow he still had a chance in the final seconds to beat Indiana? It tells you the gulf is still deep between these two teams, that the Heat are far superior in every element – especially psychologically. Stephenson pesters his own team far more than he does James and the Heat.
        It tells me that the Heat shot 15/31 from 3. Any other question, Woj?
        Originally posted by IrishPacer
        Empty vessels make the most noise.


        • #5
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          PSN: MRat731 XBL: MRat0731


          • #6
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            Didn't Fox or someone hire Woj? I hope they give him less articles to write and more news to tweet about.


            • #7
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              Originally posted by Nuntius View Post
              It tells me that the Heat shot 15/31 from 3. Any other question, Woj?
              Look, I love Ray Allen..but he's like 50, isn't he tired yet? Shouldn't his shots be short?


              • #8
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                I HATE RAY ALLEN... Seriously!
                12/27/2005 at Spurs - SamBear - 3

                1/2/2008 vs Memphis - SamBear - 19

                4/9/2014 - Luis Scola also recorded a season high with 24 points and Evan Turner added 23 for Indiana.


                • #9
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                  I am so damn sick of everyone (media) and their holier than thou attitude in regards to Lance... trying to turn EVERYTHING into a TMZ'esque narrative...
                  As far as his so called "antics" ...I personally LOVED EVERY MINUTE OF IT .... LOVED IT!

                  Yes, I was thoroughly entertained.... Between George's "godmode" performance in the 2nd half and Lance goading LeDouche into 5 fouls..... I haven't been that entertained since watching the NBA of the 80's/90's .... As far as THIS fan is concerned..... They are all just some haters acting like their so called "brand of basketball" and superstar preferrental treatment is so high up on a pedestal... when in actuality it has pussified the whole NBA and turned it into a cheap imitation of a vaudevillian act...
                  But hey, that's just my 2 cents... lol
                  "Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end."


                  • #10
                    Re: Woj: Lance Is A Clown

                    To be fair, Woj has also called lebron a clown, so at least he's an equal opportunity *******.

                    It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

                    Division Champions 1955, 1956, 1988, 1989, 1990, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008
                    Conference Champions 1955, 1956, 1988, 2005
                    NBA Champions 1989, 1990, 2004


                    • #11
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                      Woj just wishes he could write as good as Lance plays.


                      • #12
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                        When did Lance ever say he would stop his antics against LeBron? He never did that, he said he wouldn't tell the media. To be honest, I doubt even his teammates want him to completely stop his antics.


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                          I'm gonna guess that the Heat are going to make a concerted effort to shutdown, limit and ( statistically ) humiliate Lance tomorrow.
                          Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.


                          • #14
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                            Originally posted by CableKC View Post
                            I'm gonna guess that the Heat are going to make a concerted effort to shutdown, limit and ( statistically ) humiliate Lance tomorrow.
                            Good, more room for Paul to operate and less intense defense on him then!


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                              Originally posted by CableKC View Post
                              I'm gonna guess that the Heat are going to make a concerted effort to shutdown, limit and ( statistically ) humiliate Lance tomorrow.
                              Which, if we're smart about, is absolutely an advantage for us.