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POST GAME THREAD: 4/22/2014 NBA Playoffs, First Round Game #2: Pacers Vs. Hawks

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  • Nuntius
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    Re: POST GAME THREAD: 4/22/2014 NBA Playoffs, First Round Game #2: Pacers Vs. Hawks

    Originally posted by CableKC View Post
    For this series? I'm leaning towards making Hibbert a 5th scoring option ( a la Foster ) where he just scores like Mahinmi does...on touch backs or bunnies...while focusing on Defense, rebounding and not falling down so much.
    The problem with this is that I don't see Atlanta falling for that. They will try to take him out of the game completely by shooting even more 3s.

    Why would this take him out of the game, you ask? He cannot hype himself up from his defense if no one attemts to drive on him and he cannot grab rebounds if they keep shooting 3s that end up in long rebounds. Long rebounds favor the defender that is further away from the hoop and since Roy is usually positioned closer to the hoop (since that's the essence of boxing out) and isn't very mobile either he will not be able to grab that long rebound.

    What I'm trying to say is this. The Hawks can completely take away Roy's rebounding and defense if they keep shooting so many 3s (seriously, they are averaging 29.5 3s so far and they can definitely take more than that). What they cannot take away completely is Roy's offensive rebounding and post-up game. This is something that we have to keep doing as a team. We have to keep giving him touches early in the game in order to establish his inside presence and Frank should also urge him to hit the offensive boards with reckless abandon because the rest of his team has his back on the defensive end (Roy seemingly hates giving up transition baskets to his man because he tried and failed to grab an offensive board).

    I'm not trying to say that Roy should attempt 15+ shots per game. That wouldn't be a good idea with the way he has been shooting lately. But we do have to establish both him and West early on in order to open up the paint and establish our inside-outside identity. That's something that this team has done in both games so far.

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  • immortality
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    Re: POST GAME THREAD: 4/22/2014 NBA Playoffs, First Round Game #2: Pacers Vs. Hawks

    Originally posted by VideoVandal View Post
    No doubt he is a post up option throughout his career. The dilemma however is currently he is NOT a post up option, I mean it is hard to argue with the futility of Hibberts offensive numbers of late. That is why I was curious to the pulse of the forums on do we try to reestablish the post up scoring Hibbert we've all seen before, or do we accept his current futility for what it is and abadon it? Again I still think we need to establish it and I think tonight's approach was good we got him great looks. How he continues to miss is puzzling but I do think it is a part of our offense we have to continue to try to exploit even if in the short run it leads to more 1 for 7s eventually he has to score again right?
    Didn't even notice West had only 8 points.

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  • VideoVandal
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    Re: POST GAME THREAD: 4/22/2014 NBA Playoffs, First Round Game #2: Pacers Vs. Hawks

    Originally posted by Nuntius View Post
    1) He is shooting 42% from the field and 33# from 3 (41.8% and 32.7% are rounded up). He is also averaging 7 PPG in 18.5 MPG. I don't know where you got your numbers but they aren't extremely accurate.

    2) His strength is not shooting in particular. He can do several things offensively including shooting the 3. He is a well-rounded player that can provide low post defense, rebounding, shooting and passing. He doesn't have the talent level to be an All-Star, of course, but he has worked his *** off to improve every year. He started off in a low level European league but he managed to become a crucial member in a team that won back-to-back Euroleague titles and then also reach the NBA and start for a playoff team.

    3) Once again, I'm not trying to say that he is going to win a series by himself. He is almost exactly like Copeland. A rugged "rookie" that can come in and help your offense perform at a higher level while not giving up a lot defensively (I don't consider Copeland a defensive liability unlike several others in this forum). He is a fundamentally sound role-player. That's all.
    Don't take this the wrong way because you are one of the posters I most enjoy interacting with on here, and I respect your basketball insight......but do you think anyone in the NBA is a scrub? You seem to like every players game or always point out a players strengths and find even the smallest things he does well for a team. Is it possible for an NBA player to not be good in your book? Sure he may be an OK role player and do a few things well, but I just am sick of hearing people talk about him like we have to adjust our entire defense around him. OK maybe scrub was a harsh word but he isn't the series breaker like a lot are making him out to be and a guy I personally don't think we should adjust our defense around.

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  • PG-24
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    Re: POST GAME THREAD: 4/22/2014 NBA Playoffs, First Round Game #2: Pacers Vs. Hawks

    Originally posted by Nuntius View Post
    It's absolutely true that Roy's offense has been very bad lately. I cannot deny this. However, the opposing teams still see him as a post-up option. They still send double teams on him and attempt to trap him. They still collapse two or three players on him when we manage to give him the ball in the paint. It's true that he is not scoring but the defense still has to account for him and that's something that we should use in our advantage.

    If the opposing defense treated him like Ryan Hollins and allowed him to go 1-on-1 in the post and still missed then I'd agree that he is not a post up option right now. But as long as the opposing team is treating him as a post up option then we should take advantage of that and use him likewise.

    It isn't hard to see how the opposing team's defense changes when Ian comes in. They are happy to allow Ian to post up and they don't double when we give him the ball in a post-up. That said, Ian does provide a PnR option which Roy doesn't provide currently.
    Remember when he used to flip the pass to PG or Lance on that backdoor cut? fun times. kept the defense honest. alot of stuff that worked for us, we went away from. Cant remember the last time he took a 18 footer in rhythm either.

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  • PG-24
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    Re: POST GAME THREAD: 4/22/2014 NBA Playoffs, First Round Game #2: Pacers Vs. Hawks

    Guarding Antic is not rocket science. it just takes efffort from hibbert (or mahinmi). just run him off the three point, disrupts and confuses their entire offense. they did it twice in the 2nd half resulting in 2 turnovers. always make set shooters put the ball on the ground and youll fare much better.

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  • VideoVandal
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    Re: POST GAME THREAD: 4/22/2014 NBA Playoffs, First Round Game #2: Pacers Vs. Hawks

    Originally posted by PetPaima View Post
    I SERIOUSLY think that basketball should get rid of 3-point shot. The basic concept of the game is to put the ball in basket - one method should not be more effective than another. Without a 3-point shot we would get a "purer" version of basketball...
    The NBA and basketball is a source of entertainment. The 3 point shot is entertaining, is far from broken, is equal for both teams. Helps space the floor to keep the game more open flowing. Don't see how it can be viewed as a bad thing or more pure obviously basketball would be played more differently if it was gone but would a bunch of forced paint shots because everyone is packed in the paint be anymore pure?

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  • Nuntius
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    Re: POST GAME THREAD: 4/22/2014 NBA Playoffs, First Round Game #2: Pacers Vs. Hawks

    Originally posted by PG-24 View Post
    he shouldnt be too upset. he played 8 minutes in the 3rd and came out for normal rest (also coincided with lou williams joining teague). from that point, we bust the game open and it was well in hand. no real reason for him to come back in. its the playoffs, games like this are crucial. he needs to understand he helped spark our run and will help spark many more. minutes in a blowout are not important at all
    Same thing happened with Roy as well. Both of them did their job in the second half and we just happened to bust the game open when they were out.

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  • Nuntius
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    Re: POST GAME THREAD: 4/22/2014 NBA Playoffs, First Round Game #2: Pacers Vs. Hawks

    Originally posted by VideoVandal View Post
    When your STRENGTH is shooting and you are 40 percent and 32 percent and average 5 points a game I have a hard time believing you are anything but a scrub he is simply taking advantage of a position badly needed by the Hawks after Horford injury. I could easily see him going from starter to a DNP player next year.
    1) He is shooting 42% from the field and 33# from 3 (41.8% and 32.7% are rounded up). He is also averaging 7 PPG in 18.5 MPG. I don't know where you got your numbers but they aren't extremely accurate.

    2) His strength is not shooting in particular. He can do several things offensively including shooting the 3. He is a well-rounded player that can provide low post defense, rebounding, shooting and passing. He doesn't have the talent level to be an All-Star, of course, but he has worked his *** off to improve every year. He started off in a low level European league but he managed to become a crucial member in a team that won back-to-back Euroleague titles and then also reach the NBA and start for a playoff team.

    3) Once again, I'm not trying to say that he is going to win a series by himself. He is almost exactly like Copeland. A rugged "rookie" that can come in and help your offense perform at a higher level while not giving up a lot defensively (I don't consider Copeland a defensive liability unlike several others in this forum). He is a fundamentally sound role-player. That's all.

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  • PetPaima
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    Re: POST GAME THREAD: 4/22/2014 NBA Playoffs, First Round Game #2: Pacers Vs. Hawks

    Originally posted by Dr. Hibbert View Post
    Also need to point out how much I despise teams that play like ATL. I mean, yeah, the ball movement is great, and obviously you play to your strengths, it works for them, etc.

    But I hate teams that just chuck it like ATL and GSW. It's just not a long-term winning strategy, and I hate teams that win playing that kind of ball. You know they're going to be an easy out the next round, and they're going to look awful when their shots aren't falling. I want to say it feels "cheap" even if I know how hard they work to get some of those shots.

    TNT announcers were puzzled as to why ATL started missing shots. It's not really that hard to figure out...Pacers were playing much better team defense, and you simply CAN'T continue shooting at the same clip -- from the same ranges -- ATL did in the first half.
    I SERIOUSLY think that basketball should get rid of 3-point shot. The basic concept of the game is to put the ball in basket - one method should not be more effective than another. Without a 3-point shot we would get a "purer" version of basketball...

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  • PG-24
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    Re: POST GAME THREAD: 4/22/2014 NBA Playoffs, First Round Game #2: Pacers Vs. Hawks

    Originally posted by cdash View Post
    Wonder how Lance feels about his low minute tally tonight.
    he shouldnt be too upset. he played 8 minutes in the 3rd and came out for normal rest (also coincided with lou williams joining teague). from that point, we bust the game open and it was well in hand. no real reason for him to come back in. its the playoffs, games like this are crucial. he needs to understand he helped spark our run and will help spark many more. minutes in a blowout are not important at all

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  • PetPaima
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    Re: POST GAME THREAD: 4/22/2014 NBA Playoffs, First Round Game #2: Pacers Vs. Hawks

    Originally posted by presto123 View Post
    With the money gained by letting Turner and Lance walk. I like Lance, but I actually think it might be the right move.
    The problem is that the money "saved" by letting Lance walk (Turner will definitely be renounced as his QO is ridiculous sum) can only minimally be used for obtaining a new point. That's the difference between salary cap (restricts moves for players) and luxury tax line (restricts ability to sign your own players). Even if we let them both walk (and Scola and Lavoy), we still ill have only Full Mid-Level Exception to sign FAs. Something which can give you a solid player, but hardly a stating point guard.

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  • Nuntius
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    Re: POST GAME THREAD: 4/22/2014 NBA Playoffs, First Round Game #2: Pacers Vs. Hawks

    Originally posted by VideoVandal View Post
    No doubt he is a post up option throughout his career. The dilemma however is currently he is NOT a post up option, I mean it is hard to argue with the futility of Hibberts offensive numbers of late. That is why I was curious to the pulse of the forums on do we try to reestablish the post up scoring Hibbert we've all seen before, or do we accept his current futility for what it is and abadon it? Again I still think we need to establish it and I think tonight's approach was good we got him great looks. How he continues to miss is puzzling but I do think it is a part of our offense we have to continue to try to exploit even if in the short run it leads to more 1 for 7s eventually he has to score again right?
    It's absolutely true that Roy's offense has been very bad lately. I cannot deny this. However, the opposing teams still see him as a post-up option. They still send double teams on him and attempt to trap him. They still collapse two or three players on him when we manage to give him the ball in the paint. It's true that he is not scoring but the defense still has to account for him and that's something that we should use in our advantage.

    If the opposing defense treated him like Ryan Hollins and allowed him to go 1-on-1 in the post and still missed then I'd agree that he is not a post up option right now. But as long as the opposing team is treating him as a post up option then we should take advantage of that and use him likewise.

    It isn't hard to see how the opposing team's defense changes when Ian comes in. They are happy to allow Ian to post up and they don't double when we give him the ball in a post-up. That said, Ian does provide a PnR option which Roy doesn't provide currently.

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  • VideoVandal
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    Re: POST GAME THREAD: 4/22/2014 NBA Playoffs, First Round Game #2: Pacers Vs. Hawks

    Originally posted by Nuntius View Post
    Antic is not a scrub, my friend. He is a role player but he is very good at what he does. He is a tough player that will battle for every inch even if he's not a very good athlete, he can shoot, he is a very good passer (excellent choice for late clock in-bound players) and generally understand how an offense works.

    He is a lot like Copeland in this regard. Neither player was thought of as a major talent when they were young but their play proved that they belong with the big boys. Olympiacos wouldn't win last year's Euroleague title if it wasn't for him.
    When your STRENGTH is shooting and you are 40 percent and 32 percent and average 5 points a game I have a hard time believing you are anything but a scrub he is simply taking advantage of a position badly needed by the Hawks after Horford injury. I could easily see him going from starter to a DNP player next year.

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  • Nuntius
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    Re: POST GAME THREAD: 4/22/2014 NBA Playoffs, First Round Game #2: Pacers Vs. Hawks

    Originally posted by VideoVandal View Post
    You are right IF we ask Roy to challenge Antic he is almost completely useless, but do we really need to ask Roy to challenge Antic? To me you just tell Roy to do what he has done all year and if a 32 percent 3 point shooter hits 2 or 3 on 7 or 8 attempts big deal. Why adjust to a scrub like Antic? Who cares if he lives behind the arc jacks up 3s if we keep making Atlanta play like they did tonight (all jump shots no points in the paint) that has to favor us. Game 1 yes they hit a ton of 3s but they also got to the FT line a ton and got a lot of paint points from Teague penetration. If you make them live and die ONLY by the 3 and take those other 2 factors away I think that can only be to our advantage. So to tell Roy to play totally differently because of a scrub like Antic seems like the wrong thing to do. Let Roy continue to protect the rim and let Antic try his best to win this series for them that is a challenge we should embrace. Let Teague win the series or Antic? I know what I am choosing.
    Antic is not a scrub, my friend. He is a role player but he is very good at what he does. He is a tough player that will battle for every inch even if he's not a very good athlete, he can shoot, he is a very good passer (excellent choice for late clock in-bound players) and generally understand how an offense works.

    He is a lot like Copeland in this regard. Neither player was thought of as a major talent when they were young but their play proved that they belong with the big boys. Olympiacos wouldn't win last year's Euroleague title if it wasn't for him.

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  • CableKC
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    Re: POST GAME THREAD: 4/22/2014 NBA Playoffs, First Round Game #2: Pacers Vs. Hawks

    Originally posted by VideoVandal View Post
    No doubt he is a post up option throughout his career. The dilemma however is currently he is NOT a post up option, I mean it is hard to argue with the futility of Hibberts offensive numbers of late. That is why I was curious to the pulse of the forums on do we try to reestablish the post up scoring Hibbert we've all seen before, or do we accept his current futility for what it is and abadon it? Again I still think we need to establish it and I think tonight's approach was good we got him great looks. How he continues to miss is puzzling but I do think it is a part of our offense we have to continue to try to exploit even if in the short run it leads to more 1 for 7s eventually he has to score again right?
    For this series? I'm leaning towards making Hibbert a 5th scoring option ( a la Foster ) where he just scores like Mahinmi does...on touch backs or bunnies...while focusing on Defense, rebounding and not falling down so much.

    But for the rest of the Playoffs ( assuming we make it that far )? No way. The Hawks are just a terrible match up for Hibbert...plain and simple. But that doesn't mean that you don't play him.....just use him purely for defense while splitting far more time with Mahinmi.

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