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  • #1

    Pop wins coach of the year

    Wait for it.

    http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2014/0...s=iref:nbahpts


    SAN ANTONIO — Even after coaching 217 playoff games over the last 17 seasons, San Antonio Spurs coach Gregg Popovich embarked on another postseason Sunday with butterflies swirling.

    “Heck yeah,” Popovich quipped 90 minutes before the Spurs began their 17th consecutive playoffs under the coach everybody knows as ‘Pop.’ “If you don’t get nervous, you’re dead.”

    The gruff Air Force Academy graduate is maybe the only coach in U.S. sports who has to come to be as celebrated for his typically terse exchanges with the media — particularly for his now famous, one-word retorts to television sideline reporters — as he is for his enduring legacy with a single franchise.

    On Tuesday, Popovich, 65, added yet another layer to his rich, sure-fire Hall of Fame career as the recipient of the Red Auerbach Trophy as the 2013-14 NBA Coach of the Year. He led the Spurs to a 62-20 record, the best record in basketball.
    It’s his third Coach of the Year honor and second in the last three years. He joins Don Nelson and Pat Riley as the only coaches to win the award three times. Popovich totaled 380 points, including 59 first-place votes, from a panel of 124 sportswriters and broadcasters throughout the United States and Canada
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    First-year Phoenix Suns coach Jeff Hornacek finished second with 339 votes, Chicago’s Tom Thibodeau was third, Charlotte’s first-year coach Steve Clifford was fourth and Toronto’s Dwane Casey finished fifth in the voting. (Complete voting totals here.)
    Popovich also won the award following the 2011-12 season and also for 2002-03, the season in which Manu Ginobili joined Tim Duncan and Tony Parker to form the Big Three. They won their first of three championships that season. (Popovich won another title with Duncan and David Robinson back in 1999.) The Spurs entered these playoffs as the reigning Western Conference champions, boasting the No. 1 seed and home-court advantage throughout the playoffs.

    That consistency is the hallmark of Popovich’s 18-year career in San Antonio. This season included a 19-game winning streak and only one losing streak of more than two games (three, back in late January). The Spurs extended their streak of winning at least 50 games to an NBA record 15 consecutive seasons.

    The Spurs’ 62 wins is their second-highest total under Popovich, one fewer than the 2005-06 team. This team was an offensive juggernaut, ranking sixth in the league in offensive efficiency (points per 108.2 points per 100 possessions) and No. 1 in 3-point shooting at 39.7 percent. At the other end they ranked fourth overall in defensive efficiency and second in the Western Conference.

    Popovich achieved it while masterfully managing his team’s minutes and particularly his two aging stars, Duncan, 38, and Ginobili, 36. Popovich limited every player on the roster to less than 30 minutes a game while nine players averaged at least 18.9 mpg.
    “We saved minutes all year long so we could give those minutes come playoff time,” Popovich said.

    Rick Adelman‘s announcement Monday that he was stepping down as coach of the Minnesota Timberwolves moved Popovich to the top of the list of career victories among active coaches — ninth on the all-time list — with a record of 967-443. Los Angeles Clippers coach Doc Rivers (644-498) is second and Dallas’ Rick Carlisle (569-339), who is matching wits with Popovich in their first-round playoff series, is third.

    “Pop’s the best coach in the game and for my money he’s the best coach in history because of what he’s been able to do over a period of almost two decades, keeping the same system and just plugging in different players,” Mavs coach Rick Carlisle said. “It’s been phenomenal.”

    Popovich is the longest-tenured coach with the same team in all four major professional U.S. sports
    Last edited by Unclebuck; 04-22-2014, 03:26 PM.
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    Re: Pop wins coach of the year

    Here is a link for who actually voted for whom. Mark Boyle voted for Pop, Horny, and Clifford in that order

    http://www.nba.com/media/042214-2013-14-NBA-Coach-of-Year-Votes.pdf?ls=iref:nbahpts
    Last edited by Unclebuck; 04-22-2014, 03:30 PM.

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    • #3
      Re: Pop wins coach of the year

      Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
      Here is a link for who actually voted for whom

      http://www.nba.com/media/042214-2013-14-NBA-Coach-of-Year-Votes.pdf?ls=iref:nbahpts
      Not a single vote for Frank. It's funny, if voting would have occurred around the ASB, I would bet that Frank would have been #1 or #2.

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      • #4
        Re: Pop wins coach of the year

        Jason Kidd received more votes than Frank Vogel! I'd like to have seen someone predict that in December.

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        • #5
          Re: Pop wins coach of the year

          I honestly don't see how Pop won this. Wasn't SA supposed to be a contender anyway?

          I think CotY should go to a candidate that performs well above expectations.

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          • #6
            Re: Pop wins coach of the year

            Originally posted by Shade View Post
            I honestly don't see how Pop won this. Wasn't SA supposed to be a contender anyway?

            I think CotY should go to a candidate that performs well above expectations.
            A lot of people predict the Spurs are going to fall off before every season and it never happens. So I do think Pop did get his team to perform above expectations.

            I would like to see what the over under before the season on number of wins. I bet Pacers over-under was higher than Spurs.


            Edit: Here is the vegas over and under. Spurs were picked to win more games than the Pacers. But certainly not 62. interesting to look at these now. No doybt the Suns and Bobcats over-achieved the most.

            http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-...014-nba-season

            Last edited by Unclebuck; 04-22-2014, 03:53 PM.

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            • #7
              Re: Pop wins coach of the year

              Boring choice. They had a great season, but winning a bunch of games with a team that went to Game 7 of the NBA Finals isn't the most impressive thing in the league. I don't think that coaches should get this award just because people "expect" the team to fall off.

              Hornacek and Thibs were more deserving. And why is there no love for Terry Stotts? He's not even mentioned in this article, is he? They had a 19 game turnaround this year. Am I really supposed to believe that Pop did the best coaching job in the league this year when he won a lot of games with a team that went to the Finals last year and has been winning FOREVER? I mean yeah it's impressive that they keep winning, but as long as they're healthy it's something that should be expected.

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              • #8
                Re: Pop wins coach of the year

                Spurs weren't healthy though

                TD missed 8 games. but he only played 29.2 minutes per game
                Parker missed 14 games and he only played 29.4 minutes per game
                Leonard missed 16 games and only played 29.1 minutes per game
                Manu missed 16 games and only played 20.8 minutes per game.

                They hardly extended their best players during the regular season.
                Last edited by Unclebuck; 04-22-2014, 03:58 PM.

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                • #9
                  Re: Pop wins coach of the year

                  Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                  Spurs weren't healthy though
                  Duncan played 74 games, Parker 68, Leonard 66, Manu 68. Yeah Parker and Leonard got a bit dinged up, but I'm not handing a COY award to Pop just because he battled through a 14 game injury to Tony Parker and a 16 game injury to Leonard. Other coaches, such as Thibbs, have dealt with far worse. Thibbs had to deal with the psychological issue of keeping the team focused after being gutpunched by yet another Derrick Rose injury.

                  The Spurs won maybe 5 games more than what most would have picked them to win. Virtually everyone would have called this a 55-57 win team before the season started.

                  The lack of love for Terry Stotts is mind boggling.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Pop wins coach of the year

                    The Spurs were also pretty bad during the injury portion of their schedule. They lost to every quality team they played.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Pop wins coach of the year

                      The Blazers were predicted to win an average of 42 games according to the vegas over/under linked above. They won 54 games. But the Bobcats and Suns won above 20 more games than predicted, so if that is your criteria, then those two coaches deserve to be 1 and 2.

                      I think Pop is sort of like Jordan was back in his playing days. You could have picked MJ every year, but they tended to spread the wealth. You could give the award to Pop every year

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                      • #12
                        Re: Pop wins coach of the year

                        Originally posted by Shade View Post
                        The Spurs were also pretty bad during the injury portion of their schedule. They lost to every quality team they played.
                        How is that possible. They lost 20 games the whole season. tell me their injury portion of their schedule and I'll go through and count quality wins

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                        • #13
                          Re: Pop wins coach of the year

                          Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                          How is that possible. They lost 20 games the whole season. tell me their injury portion of their schedule and I'll go through and count quality wins
                          They still beat the bad teams on their schedule. They just lost to all of the good ones. Look at the early part of their schedule.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Pop wins coach of the year

                            Originally posted by Shade View Post
                            They still beat the bad teams on their schedule. They just lost to all of the good ones. Look at the early part of their schedule.
                            Record vs plus .500 teams. i think this disputes your claim.

                            OKC - 31-14
                            Heat - 25-14
                            Spurs - 29-16
                            Clippers - 27-18
                            Pacers - 18-17
                            Rockets - 22-22
                            Blazers - 20-21

                            I picked these teams because they had the 7 best records, all winning more than 54 games


                            OK., I went though to see how the Spurs did against the other top 6 teams. They lost their first 6, and started 1-10. Ended up 6-12 against these teams. Not sure if that is good or bad. let me check Pacers. and OKC to see how those compare.

                            Pacers were 8-6 vs the other 6 top teams. pacers were lucky they played most of the top teams in december.

                            Thunder were 13-6 which is the best in the NBA by far.
                            Last edited by Unclebuck; 04-22-2014, 04:23 PM.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Pop wins coach of the year

                              My point exactly. The Spurs had a very good record to start the season from feasting on cupcakes, but were only 1-10 against the top teams of the league at the time.

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