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  • Paul George could be a top 3 player according to one East scout...Sporting news articl

    http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/stor...medium=twitter

    NBA scout: Indiana's Paul George has potential to be top-3 player

    Sean Deveney Sporting News Follow on Twitter Archive Email RSS


    Paul George has been moving closer to signing a five-year maximum contract with the Pacers in recent weeks, and on Wednesday, he guaranteed to The Indianapolis Star that the deal would be done before the season starts. Given the way George has played in his first three seasons this comes as no surprise, and depending on George’s health, the Pacers won’t regret this contract.

    How good can George be? Says one East scout: “He can be a Top 5, maybe even a Top 3 type of player. He still has so much raw talent, and he was a late bloomer so you can see he still plays on instinct sometimes. He is far from a finished product. He will be a great player, but I think the important thing to keep in mind is that we’re talking about Scottie Pippen great, not Michael Jordan great. He could be a lot like Pippen, but to get there, he has a lot to do, a lot of work. He can be elite, but he has to plug up some big holes in his game."

    The thing about George is that those holes are relatively obvious, the kinds of things players can learn with experience and repetition. He arrived in Indiana out of Fresno State four years ago, and at the time, he was still a raw but athletic prospect, a guy who had not been heavily recruited out of high school. He could create space and put down jaw-dropping dunks, but basics like footwork, dribbling, perimeter shooting and floor vision were not in his game.

    He is still developing those fundamentals. And he knows it.

    “I know where I want to be as a player, and I know I have a long way to go to get there,” George said. “I am not close to where I want to be. But I think I understand how hard I have to work to get there and I am willing to do that.”

    Look closely at George’s production from last year, and three numbers in particular crop up, each showing something George needs to improve to reach his full potential:

    0.77

    That, according to Syngery Sports, is the points per possession George recorded working out of post-up situations last year, and for a guy who is 6-8 with George’s athletic ability, that is just not nearly enough. George has not made the post a priority in his offensive repertoire, as only 5.7 percent of his possessions came out of the post and he shot only 27.8 percent from 3-10 feet. All of that is a reflection of two things: one, that the Pacers have a pair of solid post-up big men, Roy Hibbert and David West, and, two, the fact that George still needs to add some strength in order to hold his own on the block.

    Anyone who watched George try to defend LeBron James in the post in the Eastern Conference finals last year will remember that James was able to muscle George to his preferred spots repeatedly, and George’s defense in the post is also a work in progress. He allowed .896 points per possession in the post last year, which ranks about average in the league, but that is a big improvement from the previous season, when he allowed 1.128 ppp—one of the worst. George still needs to learn and refine a couple of credible post moves offensively, but more important is just the addition of strength and heft.

    35.4

    That is George’s shooting percentage from 16 feet on out to the 3-point line, and if George has any chance of joining the league’s elite, he will need to improve his shooting from that range. His shooting percentage from that area is up from 31.1 percent the year before, but consider that Kevin Durant shoots 42.9 percent from 16 feet out, and James shoots 44.4 percent. That’s where George needs to be.

    George has long been effective as a spot-up shooter (he registered 1.029 points per possession on spot-ups last year). Even before he builds up a post-up game (as James has done), improving the midrange jumper off the dribble is a must for George. “That is something I focused on last year,” George said. “That hasn’t changed, I still want to be a better shooter.”

    21.6

    George Hill is not a pure point guard for the Pacers, so Indiana often puts the ball into the hands of George in high screen-and-rolls as a way of initiating the offense. In all, 15.8 percent of George’s possessions featured him as the ballhandler, which is a good idea in theory—George’s athleticism makes him a serious threat to attack the basket and forces the defense to collapse into the paint.

    The problem is that George does not get to the rim enough, and these pick-and-rolls are not especially efficient. When you include pick-and-rolls in which he passes, the plays create only 0.789 points per possession, which is below average. (James, by way of comparison, averaged 1.046 ppp out of the pick-and-roll, and Durant averaged 1.017.) George must be better on pick-and-rolls, first by scoring himself more efficiently—getting to the free-throw line more than 3.5 times per game would be a good start—so that he attracts more attention from opponents, which in turn will allow him to find teammates for easier shots.

    That can be addressed, in part, through better ballhandling. George is somewhat predictable in the way he handles, and he can be counted on to commit turnovers, which happened on 21.8 percent of his pick-and-roll possessions last year. That’s around the same percentage as James and Durant, but remember, those two are 30-point-per-game scorers. They’re Michael Jordans. If George is to reach his potential as a Pippen-type player, he will have to develop enough command of the ball to make running the offense through him a worthwhile idea.


    Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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    Re: Paul George could be a top 3 player according to one East scout...Sporting news articl

    Shooting percentage is what I believe is what is keeping him from being a SuperStar. Until that improves to Durant and James range he will just be a star.
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      Re: Paul George could be a top 3 player according to one East scout...Sporting news articl

      If this is the same scout that said he's be the best player to come out of the draft, then I'm inclined to believe him.

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        Re: Paul George could be a top 3 player according to one East scout...Sporting news articl

        Originally posted by Pacersalltheway10 View Post
        If this is the same scout that said he's be the best player to come out of the draft, then I'm inclined to believe him.
        For the millionth time that was Chad Ford.

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          Re: Paul George could be a top 3 player according to one East scout...Sporting news articl

          Originally posted by Eleazar View Post
          For the millionth time that was Chad Ford.
          was it? I remember it being cited to "an anonymous Eastern Conference scout," I always assumed it was Kevin Mackey

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            Re: Paul George could be a top 3 player according to one East scout...Sporting news articl

            If he can make it there, I'll take it.
            Time for a new sig.

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              Re: Paul George could be a top 3 player according to one East scout...Sporting news articl

              I'll never see him as a better player than Lebron, Durant or CP3...it'll be hard to crack top 3
              "So, which one of you guys is going to come in second?" - Larry Bird before the 3 point contest. He won.


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                Re: Paul George could be a top 3 player according to one East scout...Sporting news articl

                Originally posted by MillerTime View Post
                I'll never see him as a better player than Lebron, Durant or CP3...it'll be hard to crack top 3
                With the age advantage on LBJ & CP3 I could... But I'm not holding my breath... Can't wait to see if he's stepped his game up another level!
                Nothing in life worth having comes easy.

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                • #9
                  Re: Paul George could be a top 3 player according to one East scout...Sporting news articl

                  Paul is a bit of a late bloomer. But I don't see him at Durant level. Certainly not LeBron level, although he can contend with him in a game. The good news is that he doesn't have to be that good to get a ring. I do think we may need him up there, arguably in the top 5, to get a ring though.

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                    Re: Paul George could be a top 3 player according to one East scout...Sporting news articl

                    How is being an All-Star, all NBA third team, NBA Most Improved Player and leading your team to within 1 game of the finals at age 23 a late bloomer? And he was 22 for the vast majority of the season.

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                      Re: Paul George could be a top 3 player according to one East scout...Sporting news articl

                      Originally posted by ilive4sports View Post
                      How is being an All-Star, all NBA third team, NBA Most Improved Player and leading your team to within 1 game of the finals at age 23 a late bloomer? And he was 22 for the vast majority of the season.
                      Late bloomer compared to Durant or Lebron. I think I remember reading PG didn't play organized ball till high school or something. You know most superstars are going to be a superstar by their first year in the league. PG is a late bloomer because he is just now coming into that superstar role. Nothing wrong with that. He got a late start so he will show major improvement past the stage most superstars level out.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Paul George could be a top 3 player according to one East scout...Sporting news articl

                        He is: Lebron, DRose, PG
                        Smothered Chicken!

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                          Re: Paul George could be a top 3 player according to one East scout...Sporting news articl

                          Originally posted by Heisenberg View Post
                          was it? I remember it being cited to "an anonymous Eastern Conference scout," I always assumed it was Kevin Mackey
                          Yeah, if I re-call it was a Yahoo sports article, don't think they'd give ESPN's Chad Ford any credit.

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                            Re: Paul George could be a top 3 player according to one East scout...Sporting news articl

                            Originally posted by Heisenberg View Post
                            was it? I remember it being cited to "an anonymous Eastern Conference scout," I always assumed it was Kevin Mackey
                            I thought it was T-Bird.
                            "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference

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                            • #15
                              Re: Paul George could be a top 3 player according to one East scout...Sporting news articl

                              It's cool to see a pro-scout pick up on the same things but several of us have been saying this all summer.

                              A lot of it is familiarity. Unlike Lebron and KD, who have been the top dog at every stage of their career, Paul George is a late bloomer. He wasn't even a McDonalds All-American. His High School and college career was less impressive than every other player on the Pacers starting 5 (that applies whether Danny or Lance starts). He didn't even play organized basketball until his freshman year in High School.

                              The fact that he has blossomed so quickly is a sign of his great work ethic. I think he'll improve this year on his pick-and-roll plays. He struggled at times but was better during the playoffs than he was during the regular season and knowing when to attack and when to set up others. He still needs to drive and get to the basket more because he now has the reputation as an elite finisher. Those types of players tend to get the benefit of the doubt from the referees. The Pacers don't need him to be as good a shooter as Lebron or KD from mid-range. He just needs to be around league average.

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