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Who would have guessed? A positive reflection

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  • Who would have guessed? A positive reflection

    Well, it's the off season and things are slow. And we are in the summer of our content. Since human nature tends to be negative and our M.O. is to criticize, I am taking the opportunity during this window of success to write a generally positive post about our current status,

    If ever there were a time to be positive, this is the time. You could point to one or two other summers in the franchise's history to be as positive, but this summer may be even more promising than those.

    I hope things continue to get better, but you never know. We had hoped the JO/Artest team that took us to the ECF was still improving but that imploded. So . . . our chance to enjoy that team was limited. In other words, you never know when you've peaked. So let's enjoy the moment.

    Who could have imagined that, just three years after Jim O'Stubborn put Posey in to defend the Knicks big men and embarrassed the franchise, that we would so quickly become a seventh game away from beating the world champs and advancing to the finals? Only the most ridiculous homers on the board would have predicted such a scenario the day before JOS was fired.

    Would could have predicted that his understudy would immediately announce his intentions to do the exact opposite of what his mentor had been teaching him for years? Who could have guessed that he would have actually acted on and successfully executed his bravado?

    Who would have guessed that the 10th pick of the draft would arguably become the best player in the draft by year 3? Who would have guessed that our second round pick that year would be arguably as good as a lottery pick?

    Who would have guessed that our bumbling, uncoordinated, foul prone but lovable center would turn into a defensive beast?

    Who would have guessed that a top free agent would choose us over the Celtics?

    Who would have guessed that San Antonio would trade us Popovich's favorite player?

    Sure, there are ups and downs and mistakes made and decisions that can be criticized. By many, many things have gone right over the past two or three years. Who would have guessed?

    Now, Granger is potentially on the mend. The bench looks to be a bit upgraded. Our young studs will be a year more experienced next season (if the one-year improvement is anything like last year, look out). Larry Bird is back at the helm. There is so much to like.

    I am a happy man. I am choosing to enjoy the summer. Sure, I'll be back into "what have you done for me lately" mode before too long. But for now, they HAVE done a lot lately.

    Go Pacers.
    "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference


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    Re: Who would have guessed? A positive reflection

    Hear, hear.

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      Re: Who would have guessed? A positive reflection

      I know this goes without saying, but it is important to remember though, things can turn bad quicker than they turn good. Pacers fans should be well aware of this from the last time we thought we had a title contender. Not that this team is anything like that team.


      But lets use the Thunder as a current example. They are still one of the best teams in the NBA, but I am guessing their fans are getting a little nervous. Everything had gone perfectly for them, each year they were getting better and better moving towards a championship. Now things look a little different. Other teams have moved up on them.,

      My only point is take nothing for granted, enjoy the good times, but expect a bumpy ride.

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        Re: Who would have guessed? A positive reflection

        Well done, McKeyFan... well done.

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        • #5
          Re: Who would have guessed? A positive reflection

          Preach!
          If games are won and lost on a calculator and piece of paper, then why do we bother to play them?

          @LetsTalkPacers

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            Re: Who would have guessed? A positive reflection

            Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
            I know this goes without saying, but it is important to remember though, things can turn bad quicker than they turn good. Pacers fans should be well aware of this from the last time we thought we had a title contender. Not that this team is anything like that team.


            But lets use the Thunder as a current example. They are still one of the best teams in the NBA, but I am guessing their fans are getting a little nervous. Everything had gone perfectly for them, each year they were getting better and better moving towards a championship. Now things look a little different. Other teams have moved up on them.,

            My only point is take nothing for granted, enjoy the good times, but expect a bumpy ride.
            That throws us in another tangent of "What if Westbrook..."

            I think the Thunder will be OK.

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              Re: Who would have guessed? A positive reflection

              Nice post. Fully agree.

              I'm very proud of the guys for last year. It was my first year as a season ticket holder and I loved it. Felt like I experienced everything they did. When Granger went down at the beginning of the season I didn't expect us to do any better than around 500. Boy was I wrong. I'm so happy that Paul and Lance and Roy really developed last year and stepped up to the challenge.

              I'm extremely excited for this year. I really believe that Danny will be back in the starting lineup and at least at 80% of what he used to be. He has an old mans game, so I think he will be okay. I see him As the piece that pushes us over the top. His leadership and shot making ability will really help our guys. I think the bench is improved from last year. I expect Copeland to knock down threes and I think he's capable of it. Our offense off the bench should be way better. CJ should definitely be an improvement over DJ. And I think our young guys like Solomon, OJ, and Plumlee are going to be able to contribute. Even Sloan looks like he has what it takes to be the back up PG if an injury happens.

              All in all I'm very excited to get this year started! Can't wait till pre season.

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                Re: Who would have guessed? A positive reflection

                I've never been as proud of a Pacers team as I have been this past year.

                Going to the finals, gutting out games with a brawl depleted roster, Reggie's various heroics... None of those things have made me more proud of this TEAM than our recent season.

                These guys are capable of true greatness. I know they see it too. Reach out and grab it, guys!

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                  Re: Who would have guessed? A positive reflection

                  Isn't it really easy to be positive now since everything is going so well? Wouldn't a better time to be positive be when things are rough? Unless you're saying that we should cherish the good times while they are good (along the lines of UB's sentiment). Is this just a forum-congratulatory post saying 'we made it'? Not to sound like a downer, but I'm not sure what we did.
                  You Got The Tony!!!!!!

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                    Re: Who would have guessed? A positive reflection

                    We do have something really good going on right now with the Pacers!!! I wish the next season started tomorrow!!!
                    Being unable to close out a game in which you have a comfortable lead in the 4th Q = Pulling a Frank Vogel

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                      Re: Who would have guessed? A positive reflection

                      Originally posted by AesopRockOn View Post
                      Isn't it really easy to be positive now since everything is going so well? Wouldn't a better time to be positive be when things are rough? Unless you're saying that we should cherish the good times while they are good (along the lines of UB's sentiment). Is this just a forum-congratulatory post saying 'we made it'? Not to sound like a downer, but I'm not sure what we did.
                      We didn't burn BLF to the ground after Bird picked up JOB's option. None of this would be possible otherwise!

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                      • #12
                        Re: Who would have guessed? A positive reflection

                        While I'm ready to see this team push for a championship, these last two plus years have been really rewarding. It's been a joy to watch this group of guys grow. Frank has done an amazing job growing into the coaching role. He is not afraid to change things up and the guys love and respect him.

                        I could go on and on about how proud I am of Roy, Lance, and Paul on growing to not only great basketball players, but great men.

                        David came in and it seems the team suddenly grew up. Him and Roy might be two of the few people that actually scare Lebron on the court. He's a grown MAN and has helped this team turn from a group of boys to men.

                        George Hill has just been that stable rock. He brought stability to that PG position. He might not be the greatest PG but he is a great player.

                        Last but not least is Danny. He has just been great. Absolutely no ego. He's helped show PG all the ropes. You can tell that all the guys on the team love and respect him. One of my favorite moments from last year is when he made his first basket and the team went WILD.

                        This upcoming year might be their best chance at a championship for a long time. The team know's that and the rest of the league will find that out next year.

                        Paul George said it best:

                        “Who knows? This could be the last opportunity we have a team well put together like this,” George said. “Nothing is ever guaranteed in this league. Everybody has to sacrifice coming into training camp and really put their minds to it. We have a great opportunity. And I think now it’s about finding a way to get over that hump and making The Finals. And as we all saw [with the Heat and the Spurs], when you get there anything can happen. But I think this is our year … I really think it has to be our year.”
                        http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2013/0...=iref:nbahpt6b

                        I can't wait for this year. If nothing else, this team will play their hearts out and that's all that can be asked.
                        Last edited by Pacerfan; 07-23-2013, 07:31 PM.

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                          Re: Who would have guessed? A positive reflection

                          Originally posted by AesopRockOn View Post
                          Isn't it really easy to be positive now since everything is going so well?
                          Of course!

                          Originally posted by AesopRockOn View Post
                          Wouldn't a better time to be positive be when things are rough?
                          Possibly, but what's wrong with being happy right now?

                          Originally posted by AesopRockOn View Post
                          Unless you're saying that we should cherish the good times while they are good (along the lines of UB's sentiment).
                          LOL and what's wrong with that exactly?

                          Originally posted by AesopRockOn View Post
                          Is this just a forum-congratulatory post saying 'we made it'? Not to sound like a downer, but I'm not sure what we did.
                          So no one is allowed to say they feel good about things during the offseason unless we just won a championship? I would hate to be that type of fan... at the end of the day this is entertainment, after all.

                          Last edited by rabid; 07-23-2013, 08:10 PM. Reason: added a smiley face :)

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                            Re: Who would have guessed? A positive reflection

                            Originally posted by rabidpacersfan View Post
                            So no one is allowed to say they feel good about things during the offseason unless we just won a championship?
                            No, of course not. Believe me, I was one of the few who was completely satisfied with making the conference finals. I'm super duper happy. I haven't felt this good about my sports team in many years.

                            That said, I'm trying real hard, Ringo, to make sure that I'm the same fan of the team in the lottery as I am of the team inches from the Finals. This board's members are so good (relatively) at staying level and not exaggerating the worth of their fandom. There is the chance though, especially if the success continues, that attitudes can change, and we all start taking a little too much credit.

                            I don't want to come off like I'm policing people; that's so far from my intention. I'm just personally trying to keep my distance. I'm not sure if I misattributing the sentiment in your OP, McKey Fan, as I re-read it, I think maybe I did. One of the reasons fans of certain teams are disliked is that those fans only feel fulfilled if the team is successful. I think there's a dangerous cycle that happens when a team starts winning, the players and organization begin thanking the fans, and the fans absorb that energy without giving it back, overhedging on an immaterial investment like a fund manager in 2007. I'd rather not have to talk myself out of my own importance, especially on basketball.

                            Anways, thanks for the smiley, rabid.
                            You Got The Tony!!!!!!

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                              Re: Who would have guessed? A positive reflection

                              Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                              I know this goes without saying, but it is important to remember though, things can turn bad quicker than they turn good. Pacers fans should be well aware of this from the last time we thought we had a title contender. Not that this team is anything like that team.


                              But lets use the Thunder as a current example. They are still one of the best teams in the NBA, but I am guessing their fans are getting a little nervous. Everything had gone perfectly for them, each year they were getting better and better moving towards a championship. Now things look a little different. Other teams have moved up on them.,

                              My only point is take nothing for granted, enjoy the good times, but expect a bumpy ride.

                              That is a great point. I'm certainly high on this young talented roster, but nothing is ever guaranteed. Making it to Game 7 of the Eastern Conference Finals is not something that comes around everyday and you can never be sure that you'll get it again.

                              When the Bulls made it to the 2011 ECF's with Rose as their MVP, who would have ever dreamed that their next two seasons would be ruined by the injury to Rose?

                              When the Thunder made it to the Finals last year, everyone had them penciled in to get back there this season. But then they traded Harden, and Westbrook went down for the playoffs. 0 showed that he was basically as important Durant.

                              I'm not trying to sound negative because I'm expecting another Eastern Conference Finals next year, but nothing is ever guaranteed in this league.

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