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1/10/2013 Game Thread #36: Pacers Vs. Knicks

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    Game Time Start: 8:00 PM ET
    Where: The Fieldhouse, Indianapolis, IN
    Officials: D. Stafford, D. Collins, H. Workman

    Media Notes: Indiana Notes, New York Notes
    Television: TNT / MSG / TSN 2 (Canada)
    Radio: WFNI 1070 AM / WEPN 98.7 FM
    NBA Feeds:

    REMINDER: Per PD policy, please do not share a link to, describe how to search for, request a link to, or request a PM about streaming video of a NBA game that is not coming directly through the NBA. Not even in a "wink-wink, nudge-nudge, know-what-I-mean" round-about sort of way. Thank you

    Home: 13-3
    East: 11-6
    Away: 10-7
    East: 14-4
    Jan 12
    Jan 13
    Jan 15
    Jan 16

    Danny Granger - left knee tendinosis (out)
    George Hill - bronchitis-itis (probabable)

    Carmelo Anthony - curling up with some Cheerios (suspended)
    Raymond Felton - fractured right finger (out)
    Iman Shumpert - torn left ACL and meniscus (out)
    Rasheed Wallace - sore left foot (questionable)

    Tim Donahue: Paul George Scary Good in Statement Win Over the Heat

    Indiana defeated the Miami Heat 87-77 Tuesday night in Bankers Life Fieldhouse. It’s a
    regular season game in early January, so the effects are little more than palliative, but
    there are still some things that shone through tonight.

    First, the Pacers defense is as serious as a heart attack. Coming into the night, Indy
    was #1 in the Association in defensive efficiency, allowing fewer than 96 points per
    100 possessions overall. They were also the best at home, allowing fewer than 94
    points per 100. Miami’s 109 points per 100 was third in the NBA, and their 105/100
    was fifth best away from home.

    The Pacers held the Heat to a season-low 77 points, and only 93 points per 100. After
    falling behind 51-44 with 8:23 left in the third, Indy allowed only 26 points over the
    final 20 minutes.

    Second, Paul George is not kidding around.

    In a contest against the two best wings – arguably best players – in the game today,
    Paul George took a turn as the best player in the building.

    In a 12-minute stretch from the 8-minute mark in the third to the 8-minute mark in
    the fourth, the Pacers hung a 33-9 drubbing on the defending champs. Paul George
    – by himself – outscored Miami 17-9 and almost matched their six rebounds with
    five of his own.

    It’s difficult to tell what the crowning moment of the night was for the third year
    player out of Fresno State. Was it the pull up three to extend the lead back after
    Miami started to dig back in? Was it the post up on James, where he stuck a
    turnaround 15-footer in his mug? Was it the game long defensive effort on James
    and Wade?

    Doesn’t matter...CONTINUE READING AT 8p9s

    Dan Divine: Paul George outduels LeBron as Pacers serve notice that they’re still here

    Last year, the Indiana Pacers didn't get much national attention until late in the season,
    when they'd already cemented themselves as one of the league's best, most balanced
    teams. After winning a playoff series and giving the Miami Heat all they could handle
    in the second round, the Pacers didn't catch anyone by surprise this year; most
    observers (us included) picked the Pacers to win the Central Division and again
    challenge for the conference crown.

    But then Danny Granger hurt his left knee, taking away the Pacers' leading scorer.
    Center Roy Hibbert and point guard George Hill struggled to live up to their big new
    contracts, and offseason acquisitions D.J. Augustin, Gerald Green and Ian Mahinmi
    were awful for the season's first month. The biggest thing, though? Paul George — the
    team's first-round pick in 2010, a long, skilled and super-athletic two-way player who
    took a big step in his second season and looked poised to become a matchup
    nightmare in Year 3 — stumbled, too.

    The 22-year-old swingman struggled when asked to assume Granger's offensive role,
    shooting less than 40 percent from the floor over the season's first month and looking
    less than stellar in his first crack at being a primary NBA scoring threat. As a result,
    last season's top-10 offense plummeted to the league's third worst after 16 games
    (and would've been worse if not for metronome-steady power forward David West)
    and only the NBA's stingiest defense kept the Pacers at .500. Indy already suffered
    nationally from a lack of stars; now they were a starless team with underperforming
    pieces that couldn't score and turned most games into grind-it-out rockfights. And so,
    folks haven't talked about them much.

    That might change after Tuesday's home win over the Heat, though. Because while
    the underlying story is the Pacer D holding Miami's No. 3-ranked offense to a season
    -low 77 points and less than one point per possession for just the fourth time this
    season (thanks, Kevin Pelton), the overarching one is that, while the rest of us
    weren't watching, George has started playing like a star. A 29-point, 11-rebound,
    one-turnover performance turned in primarily against LeBron James tends to make
    folks stand up and take notice of that.

    Twenty-two of George's team-high 29 came after halftime, including 12 (on 5 for 9
    shooting) in a critical third quarter in which he nearly outscored the clamped-down
    Heat himself by himself, tilting the game in Indy's favor and putting the Pacers in
    position for a statement win to celebrate coach Frank Vogel's recently signed
    contract extension.

    After the game, George made no attempt to downplay how important it was for him
    to perform well against the reigning regular-season and NBA Finals MVP, according
    to Cliff Brunt of The Associated Press:

    "It's a chance to for me to see where I'm at, going against one of the best, if not,
    the best in the league," George said. "Another challenge to myself to go at LeBron.
    I definitely wanted to battle him."

    And he did, using his 6-foot-10 frame to harass James into a 4-for-10 first half
    before shaking off his own early offensive struggles to get loose in the second half.
    He didn't hold the MVP down entirely — James finished with 22 points, 10 rebounds,
    four assists and two blocks, though he also turned the ball over an uncharacteristic
    seven times — but on Tuesday night he gave the Pacers an edge in a matchup that
    Miami certainly isn't accustomed to losing, or even having in question.

    It was a pretty monstrous role reversal from the last time the two players met, in
    the second round of the 2012 Eastern Conference playoffs, which the Pacers lost
    four games to two as George shot just 36.5 percent from the floor and frequently
    seemed tentative in his attempts to defend James and running buddy Dwyane
    Wade. As Vogel sees it, for George to turn the tables at Bankers Life Fieldhouse on
    Tuesday was just another big step in an ongoing series of them, according to Mike
    Wells of the Indianapolis Star:

    “It was huge for him,” Vogel said. “He took it very, very personal, not just what he
    did last year in the regular season, but he did not have a good series. He took a lot
    of criticism. It was very important to him to be assertive and to prove he’s growing.
    He’s really blossoming in front of our eyes.”

    The growth has been evident over the past five weeks, which have seen George
    average 18.8 points, 8.2 rebounds, 3.9 assists and 1.6 steals per game and shoot 44
    percent from the floor, 37 percent from 3-point range and 81 percent on free throws.
    This includes a pair of down performances in Indy's recent back-to-back against the
    Boston Celtics and Milwaukee Bucks; before that, as SB Nation's Paul Flannery noted,
    George had averaged 21/8/4/2 on 47 percent from the field and 41 percent from 3
    over his previous 15 games.

    George's offensive uptick has coincided...CONTINUE READING AT BALL DON'T LIE

    Mike Wells @MikeWellsNBA
    Jared Wade @8pts9secs
    Tim Donahue @TimDonahue8p9s
    Tom Lewis @indycornrows

    Frank Isola @FisolaNYDN
    Alan Hahn @alanhahn
    netw3rk @netw3rk
    Mike Kurylo @KnickerBlogger
    This is the darkest timeline.

  • #2
    Re: 1/10/2013 Game Thread #36: Pacers Vs. Knicks

    How is this not titled Hicks vs Knicks.
    If games are won and lost on a calculator and piece of paper, then why do we bother to play them?



    • #3
      Re: 1/10/2013 Game Thread #36: Pacers Vs. Knicks

      We haven't won 9 straight games at home since 2002. We are currently at 8.
      If games are won and lost on a calculator and piece of paper, then why do we bother to play them?



      • #4
        Re: 1/10/2013 Game Thread #36: Pacers Vs. Knicks

        Must win game for the team. But it's also a trap game so the guys have to be careful.

        Copeland is a good scorer. He can replace Melo's scoring for a game or two. But he's a bad defender. PG will have to take it to him.
        Originally posted by IrishPacer
        Empty vessels make the most noise.


        • #5
          Re: 1/10/2013 Game Thread #36: Pacers Vs. Knicks

          Glad to have some LCD Soundsystem before I leave for the game. Thanks!


          • #6
            Re: 1/10/2013 Game Thread #36: Pacers Vs. Knicks

            Originally posted by LetsTalkPacers84 View Post
            How is this not titled Hicks vs Knicks.
            Let's save that for the playoffs.


            • #7
              Re: 1/10/2013 Game Thread #36: Pacers Vs. Knicks

              I mean hopefully George Hill can play but I bet he plays like garbage. The general rule is, unless you're MJ, if you're really sick you should probably not try to run around a basketball court at full speed.

              Cross your fingers.


              • #8
                Re: 1/10/2013 Game Thread #36: Pacers Vs. Knicks

                I have a feeling Ronnie Brewer is gonna have a career night. That scrub is giving me a bad vibe.


                • #9
                  Re: 1/10/2013 Game Thread #36: Pacers Vs. Knicks

                  I am nervous for this game. Seems so huge.
                  "We've got to be very clear about this. We don't want our players hanging around with murderers," said Larry Bird, Pacers president.


                  • #10
                    Re: 1/10/2013 Game Thread #36: Pacers Vs. Knicks

                    Originally posted by Nuntius View Post
                    Must win game for the team. But it's also a trap game so the guys have to be careful.

                    Copeland is a good scorer. He can replace Melo's scoring for a game or two. But he's a bad defender. PG will have to take it to him.
                    Copeland can replace Melo's 29 points a game? I am more worried about J.R. Smith


                    • #11
                      Re: 1/10/2013 Game Thread #36: Pacers Vs. Knicks

                      If we contain Jr Smith and we should win easy. With Melo out he is their scoring threat left.


                      • #12
                        Re: 1/10/2013 Game Thread #36: Pacers Vs. Knicks

                        Hopefully Green doesn't play too many minutes :crossfingers:
                        @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!


                        • #13
                          Re: 1/10/2013 Game Thread #36: Pacers Vs. Knicks

                          Here are there box scores from their 2 previous games that didn't have Melo and Felton:
                          "Danny Granger is one of the top players in the league. To move Danny, you better get a lot back." - Larry Bird


                          • #14
                            Re: 1/10/2013 Game Thread #36: Pacers Vs. Knicks

                            Reggie! Reggie! Reggie!

                            This is definitely a rivalry renewed. Should be a very fun game with a lot of energy.

                            Gotta keep it going.


                            • #15
                              Re: 1/10/2013 Game Thread #36: Pacers Vs. Knicks

                              Originally posted by pacers74 View Post
                              If we contain Jr Smith and we should win easy. With Melo out he is their scoring threat left.
                              No respect for Amare?
                              If games are won and lost on a calculator and piece of paper, then why do we bother to play them?