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Coach Vogel says the team plans to utilize the D-League this season and will likely send Miles Plumlee, Orlando Johnson and Ben Hansbrough.
— Scott Agness (@ScottAgness) October 29, 2012
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Good!! That is exactly who it would be good for! Orlando Johnson should spend most of the year there, I think. -
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...and Miles?
He seemed pretty ready play some spot minutes at 5 and contributeComment
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good move I bet Pritchard is behind this he has used that tool very well in the past in Portland.Comment
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The Vets aren't going to like this! They won't have any rookie's to get their donuts or wear pink backpacks or whatever. They will have to do for themselves. (giggle, giggle, snort)
On second thought they might not send the three of them up to Fort Wayne at the same time . . . darn!Comment
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I'm not a big fan of D-League. I think they learn more being up with the Pacers, practicing, getting to know the ways of the NBA. Not a big deal either way.Comment
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I agree, most people learn best by playing with and against the best, not with those who couldn't make it.Comment
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I'm very happy they are going to use the DLeague. Better than riding the bench. Getting actual minutes will help.First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.Comment
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I love Frank Vogel. I love the fact that his ego is not so large that he is not afraid to not have his players under his thumb every min. of every day.
What Uncle Buck say's has some merit, but from about the middle of December to the end of March most teams do not practice anyway, as in full actuall practice. They have shoot arounds & film sessions. Yes they get the benefit of the coaching staff being here with them but nothing & I mean nothing beats actual game experiance.
The D-leauge is not NBA level for sure but it's not AAU or a rec. league either.
To say I'm thrilled with this is a massive understatement.
Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13Comment
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I think it depends on the player and what you're hoping to achieve. For OJ, he needs to regain confidence in his shot. That's not going to happen sitting on the bench. He needs to play and I think the D-League is the best place to do it. He needs consistent minutes to either sink or swim. If he's the shooter we thought he was then he should be able to show it in the D-League.
I think D-League would have been horrible for Lance. He would have tried to be the star. I doubt that the D-League experience could have changed his mindset.
For Ben? I don't see the point of D-League unless they just want him to stay sharp or work on specific things.
Hard to say with Miles. I think they want to change his mindset a bit and he seems very coachable. Maybe the D-League will work for him. It depends a lot on who they have to work with him and how much input the Pacers have into how they play. It's not helpful if he just learns how to dominate smaller and slower bigs.Comment
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I agree with Peck completely. As I said in another thread, Orlando needs scoring reps. Yes, it's possible that he will develop some moves that don't work against NBA players, but he's going to be handling the ball a lot, taking lots of in game style jumpers (on the move, less space, heart rate up) and at least learning how to score against weaker defenders still better than his NCAA level competition.
I think there is great value in not putting up such a high barrier that some players can't climb it. Players can become dejected when faced with a growth step that exceeds their immediate ability. Just having me stand in front of a 30' sheer wall saying "learn to climb it" is not an effective teaching tool. Give Orlando lower goals that he can work to, then build on that, and then when he's improved more he can return and take a shot at the NBA obstacles, which at that point won't be as daunting and out of reach.
Plumlee is athletic enough to be here, but his game is very undisciplined.
Bottom line, reps, reps, reps. It's true that you can learn bad habits and it's true that you can kinda absorb the environment by sitting on the bench, but ultimately the odds of success are that those bad habits and that bench learning just aren't nearly as large as the positives the situation provides.
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I like that. It's great for OJ.
I'd like Miles to be in the rotation and play as I think that he is NBA ready but if he's going to get major playing time in the D-League then that's fine as well
Originally posted by IrishPacer
Empty vessels make the most noise.Comment
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It's not like they'd be spending ALL their time in the D-League.
Anyway, we don't know yet how much time the Pacers' young players will actually spend in Fort Wayne. It could be as little as a one week stretch during a long Pacers road trip.
Regarding coaching, if the Pacers had their own D-League team, they'd have control over the coaching staff. It costs surprisingly little too - under the hybrid system of ownership, the running cost of a D-League team (including salaries) would be less than what they're paying Ben Hansbrough...Comment
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