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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

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"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

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We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

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Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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    So I'm gonna stick my neck out and likely get lambasted for what I'm about to say.... but.....

    I just want to go on record that while the entire world is relishing in watching the Heat flounder and particular The King... I think he's actually getting a mostly bad rap with his play in this series. The real issue with the Heat is the horrid play of Dwyane Wade and the supporting cast. Yes, LeBron isn't quite LeBron, but in all fairness he's got some stud defenders against him in this series actually slowing him down a bit. Nothing LeBron has said has really been all that horrible, except for the "taxing" statement, which is really mostly true, but people will still blast him for it. When you play SF most of the time, of course it's going to be a bit taxing stepping up into the paint which is generally not your game, but he'd have been better off just not making that statement because of all the little kids who'll take it and run with it.

    He's not a closer. Never really has been. He's a work-horse. He's a stud running back that you ride for 3.5 quarters. That's just his style of play. He's someone who just over-matches everyone all game long. You ride his back for 3.5 quarters.... which is not an unimportant role. But at the end of the game... that's just not his bag, and I'm okay with that. I accepted in my mind a long time ago that he's not the greatest player of all time, he's just a tremendous player. He's not Jordan. He's not Bird or Wilt or Russell. But he's in that next tier. I think everyone wants him to jump up to the Jordan level and hate him until he does so, but we probly will never see that because LeBron isn't much of a cold-hearted killer like a Jordan or Kobe. His mindset is just completely different.

    Jordan was ruthless.... even off the court he competed at everything. LeBron is a metrosexual, lol.... off the court he's just this guy. He's preppy. He's not off smokin cigars and gambling and womanizing and all the stuff that goes along with those more calloused personalities. It's just not who he is. I'm not saying that's good or bad in terms of basketball, it's just an observation of his personality.

    I just don't think it diminishes his game when people say he can't close. He's still a great player. He's not near the flopper that Wade/Chalmers are. He's out there playing some basketball.... he just doesn't have much help, so it's making it seem worse.

    I will agree that LBJ He has made some mistakes in his career, namely the hoopla surrounding his move to Miami, but since then he's generally kept his mouth shut.

    Wade is the one, justifiably and evidently, earning a bad name in this post-season... mostly deservedly. He looks like a man in a bad place right now and he's got some fixing to do.

    Okay, that's off my chest.
    There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.

  • #2
    Re: LeBron

    He looked like a closer vs. Pistons in 07. But he wasn't quite this bulldog-ish defensively back then. I think most of his current closing / free throws stuff has to do with being extremely tired.

    It doesn't mean he's Jordan, or that he didn't choke vs. Mavs.

    But I'd take a *fresh* LeBron over pretty much anyone in the 4th.
    Granted, I'd risk getting the hesitant, Mavs version, but I think that would be very rare and worth the risk. And even in those cases, he'd still be a defensive maniac on the other end.
    The problem is, how can you be fresh if you play 42 minutes including full 3rd and 4th (game 2) and lead your team in all categories including defense and hustle.

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    • #3
      Re: LeBron

      Wade has turned into the biggest douche of the two, but I'm not giving Lebonehead any slack. He still says all the wrong things and comes off as a jerk half the time.

      As egotistical as Jordan was he didn't have the "Chosen One" tattooed on his back and Jordon was the "One". After Danny got in Bron Bron's face he took a bad 3 point shot then a few weak fade-aways. Jordan would have tried to dunk over our entire team, took the ball to the rim relentlessly the rest of the game forcing the refs to make a call. Lebron has super star talent for sure, but will he ever have the super star mentality?
      "Just look at the flowers ........ BANG"

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      • #4
        Re: LeBron

        Originally posted by Kid Minneapolis View Post
        He looks like a man in a bad place right now and he's got some fixing to do.

        Okay, that's off my chest.
        HAHA.. When I first read this part at the end, I could have SWORE it said "he's got some fishing to do."

        lmfao at which I nodded my head in agreement...

        I don't care who you are, that ish is funny ...
        "Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end."

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        • #5
          Re: LeBron

          No offense, but could you make your thread title more descriptive next time? Something more than just "LeBron." That way people know what your post is about. This applies to anyone, btw.
          Last edited by Doddage; 05-18-2012, 05:29 PM.

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          • #6
            Re: LeBron

            I agree with Hoop, Wade has easily become the biggest douche. LeBron's reputation precedes him in some cases.

            LeBron jokes are easily, but I'm actually impressed with him. He and Chalmers were the only two players not to quit last night. He's played every position from the 1 to the 4 and is busting his *** doing so. How many players can legit hold down four positions?

            I'm not a fan because I think he conducts himself like an arrogant jerk off the court. But on the court, it's just hard for me to clown on him too much knowing how damn good he is. I think he wants to win. I just think his coaching and supporting staff have no idea how to facilitate that beyond throwing money at the problem.

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            • #7
              Re: LeBron

              He's an amazing basketball talent, and we really should be criticizing Wade for not only sucking for being a much bigger D Bag.

              It would be scary how good Miami would be with "shooters" who can actually shoot. Thank god for Battier and Mike Miller
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              • #8
                Re: LeBron

                I meant to comment on this earlier...

                Honestly, I'm not all that concern about Lebron. Lebron is THE reason why Miami is even able to compete with Indiana. I can't hate on a player who's trying to win the series...by himself. Wade is the player who deserves the critism.

                Did anyone watch Stephen A. Smith on ESPN recently? He made a comment that I WHOLEHEARTEDLY agree with when he was discussing the Miami/Indiana series. He stated that Miami is being punk'd right now. Indiana is showing that they have no respect for their team, and are exposing them with each passing game to the point where Wade is getting frustrated with his coach. Also, Skip Bayless mentioned Danny Granger is actually exposing Lebron as "soft". When Granger has "confronted" Lerbron, Lebron tends to make bad decisions for the next 3-5 possessions.

                When he made the comment, he gave me a different perspective on Lebron. What type of statement are we making when Granger is going at their "Chosen One" (on national TV), but he looks towards the ref for help or doesn't retailate? If you look at the video when Wade and Spoeltra got into their exchange, Lebron SAW the incident and he walked away. What does that say about Lebron as a Leader? What does that say about Lebron when he doesn't fight back? I DO understand that he doesn't want to be ejected, but he doesn't even bother shoving Granger back. If Granger and Lebron got into a fist fight, my gut says that Lebron SHOULD win on his physical talent, but then I start to question his heart to win when he comes across people who are NOT scared of his physical gifts.

                I'm calling it now...if Indiana gets out to a big lead, our players are going to start giving Lebron some hard fouls. Lebron doesn't respond well to confrontation. I don't know the answer to this questions, because I don't watch Lebron, but...has Lebron EVER have a game where he dominated a game out of anger instead of talent?
                Last edited by ksuttonjr76; 05-19-2012, 09:58 AM.


                Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?

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                • #9
                  Re: LeBron

                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVMFzTiyKjw

                  Found the video...the comments were made at the 3:45 mark.


                  Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?

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                  • #10
                    Re: LeBron

                    Originally posted by Pace Maker View Post
                    ............. we really should be criticizing Wade for not only sucking for being a much bigger D Bag.
                    Well, there enough douchebaggedness for both of them.

                    Let's at least keep it equal.

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                    • #11
                      Re: LeBron

                      Originally posted by ksuttonjr76 View Post
                      has Lebron EVER have a game where he dominated a game out of anger instead of talent?
                      the way i see it, anger is just one of many possible motivators.
                      it can help you give your best effort, but it doesn't go "instead" of talent.
                      And it's not the only motivator. Is Duncan angry? No, but does he play to the utmost of his talent?

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                      • #12
                        Re: LeBron

                        I'd take LeBron.

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