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  • 90'sNBARocked
    LovingTeamDipo!
    • Nov 2009
    • 10046

    After 5 games what are your biggest concerns?

    Sorry not sure how to make this a poll, and without freaking out just wonder what people feel is their biggest concerns with the Pacers after the first week?

    For me it is : Lack of a player who can get his shot off against most defenders off isolation. Jammal Crawford would have been great, especially in the playoffs

    Coaching, although I like Vogel and think he is a very good motivator and will get better with x and o's with time, I think he will be outcoached at times , especially relating to in game adjustments. An example with this is last night when he implemented the zone defense. Now I applaud trying something new, but he should have known it would have been more effective had Wade played, but with James Jones a solid 3pt shooter, he should have abanded that philosphy much sooner

    Curious as to what others opinions are. This is not a "The sky is falling " thread, becuase even the Thunder or Heat could answer the same questions
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  • Hicks
    Member
    • Jun 2004
    • 53117

    #2
    Re: After 5 games what are your biggest concerns?

    Random Thoughts:

    Crawford would have been huge for us in regards to his ability to create his own looks. Lacking this kind of player on top of our teamplay issues is brutal offensively.

    My biggest concerns are the overall disjointedness they display as a team; not much is fluid or consistent.

    The decision making and teamplay/passing of Granger and Hansbrough really concerns me, particularly Danny because of his role and status on the team.

    Roy continues to make some soft layup attempts that I hate.

    Paul continues to make VERY casual passes and dribble moves, which I really worry about. He also sometimes could be trying to dunk the ball but, like Roy, opts for soft layups instead.

    Darren consistently not being able to keep his man on the perimeter concerns me.

    Lance's inability to hit a shot concerns me.

    Right now there are few things I count on game in and game out, even in the "everyone will have ups and downs" sort of way.

    I pretty much know what I'm going to get with David West, Dahntay Jones, Lou Amundson, and surprisingly I may even start adding Darren Collison to this group, even if it doesn't always work out well, but after those guys? Well.... it's kind of scary in that regard, which is what probably bothers me the most.

    George Hill may sneak in there, but after him I never know which Danny Granger is going to show up, which Paul George is going to show up, which Roy Hibbert will show up, or which Tyler Hansbrough will show up. I never count on Lance for anything. At least Jeff would add to my "know what to expect" group when he gets back, but he'll never be THAT important on most nights, so that's of small comfort.

    Also, it scares me that so many guys need so much coaching/teaching to get where they need to be, and this is just the worst set of circumstances possible to address those issues because of the lockout and the condensed schedule.

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    • billbradley

      #3
      Re: After 5 games what are your biggest concerns?

      Originally posted by Hicks
      Roy continues to make some soft layup attempts that I hate.

      Paul continues to make VERY casual passes and dribble moves, which I really worry about. He also sometimes could be trying to dunk the ball but, like Roy, opts for soft layups instead.
      Maybe Granger suggests lay ups to his teammates? I remember reading that DG prefers to lay it in rather than thunder dunks to preserve his knees/body so he won't have a T-Mac breakdown.

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      • 90'sNBARocked
        LovingTeamDipo!
        • Nov 2009
        • 10046

        #4
        Re: After 5 games what are your biggest concerns?

        Very well written, It would be kind of interesting to revisit these issues in say a month and see if they have changed for the better or worse or still the same
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        • ndcoltsnpacers
          Member
          • Jun 2009
          • 714

          #5
          Re: After 5 games what are your biggest concerns?

          You know the sad thing is that before the season, I really took 2 things for granted:
          1)Danny Granger would be Danny Granger
          2)We had a lot of depth. And a lot of depth

          So far neither has really proved to be true.

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          • Hicks
            Member
            • Jun 2004
            • 53117

            #6
            Re: After 5 games what are your biggest concerns?

            Originally posted by billbradley
            Maybe Granger suggests lay ups to his teammates? I remember reading that DG prefers to lay it in rather than thunder dunks to preserve his knees/body so he won't have a T-Mac breakdown.
            I could understand that for players who making running, high-jumping dunks like wings and guards and some forwards, but not a center like Roy. Dude barely has to jump to throw it down, and it's almost always going to be with one or no steps. Just slam the ****ing ball.

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            • cdash
              Whale Shepherd
              • Jun 2009
              • 32259

              #7
              Re: After 5 games what are your biggest concerns?

              That things won't change.

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              • vnzla81
                Member
                • Jul 2008
                • 68187

                #8
                Re: After 5 games what are your biggest concerns?

                _ Danny Granger sucking

                _ Tyler Hansbrough sucking

                _ No offensive system

                _ Not having a point guard that can create shots for others.

                _ Dwest sucking

                _ A defensive system but not enough defenders to implement the system, 4 out of 5 starters are not that good defenders.



                This are my concerns for now.
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                • 90'sNBARocked
                  LovingTeamDipo!
                  • Nov 2009
                  • 10046

                  #9
                  Re: After 5 games what are your biggest concerns?

                  Originally posted by Hicks
                  I could understand that for players who making running, high-jumping dunks like wings and guards and some forwards, but not a center like Roy. Dude barely has to jump to throw it down, and it's almost always going to be with one or no steps. Just slam the ****ing ball.
                  Wow

                  Hicks is really mad

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                  • 90'sNBARocked
                    LovingTeamDipo!
                    • Nov 2009
                    • 10046

                    #10
                    Re: After 5 games what are your biggest concerns?

                    Originally posted by vnzla81
                    _ Danny Granger sucking

                    _ Tyler Hansbrough sucking

                    _ No offensive system

                    _ Not having a point guard that can create shots for others.

                    _ Dwest sucking

                    _ A defensive system but not enough defenders to implement the system, 4 out of 5 starters are not that good defenders.



                    This are my concerns for now.
                    you forgot the ball boy and his pechlance for not moving quickly enough off the court

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                    • 2minutes twoa
                      Member
                      • Dec 2011
                      • 535

                      #11
                      I'm not overly worried yet. I do hope that over the next few games guys start to settle into their roles and embrace them. I'm still waiting for Hibbert to take that next step. His stat line looks pretty solid, but he still struggles to get position for a guy that's 7' 2" and 278 lbs. I think what we're witnessing is a young team dealing high expectations for the first time and lack of practice time.


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                      • JEM
                        Member
                        • Mar 2011
                        • 275

                        #12
                        Re: After 5 games what are your biggest concerns?

                        I just want to see open shots being made.. Right now it seems like PG is really the only one knocking down open shots.

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                        • jeffg-body
                          Member
                          • Jul 2007
                          • 4061

                          #13
                          Re: After 5 games what are your biggest concerns?

                          My main worry right now has been getting out on fast breaks and lack of penetration on offense. I am happy with how we have played so far and I think as the players get more and more familiar to each other it will improve.

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                          • PR07
                            Member
                            • Jun 2006
                            • 7226

                            #14
                            Re: After 5 games what are your biggest concerns?

                            Passing and dribbling. Dahntay may be the poster boy for this, but pretty much all of our perimeter guys get tunnel vision and don't pass as a team. Granger and George's handles didn't get any better, so we don't have a guy that can consistently break guys down off the dribble. Collison has his moments, but he's not a great passer for the position and due to his size, struggles to always finish. Maybe as George Hill gets more comfortable, he's the guy?

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                            • Ant
                              Member
                              • Jun 2004
                              • 228

                              #15
                              Re: After 5 games what are your biggest concerns?

                              Originally posted by vnzla81

                              _ Dwest sucking
                              DWest hasnt been "sucking" imo. He had one pretty rough game, as well as the entire team for that matter sans Hibbert. I wouldnt call his clutch runner vs Toronto or the intangibles he has brought to the team "sucking". Plus the dude is rounding his way into basketball shape and coming off a significant knee injury. Just because you are not a fan of his and have some kind of strange biased against him doesnt mean he has been sucking. He clearly has been a bright spot and brings something this team has desperately needed.
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