The Rules of Pacers Digest

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Whether your are a long standing forum member or whether you have just registered today, it's a good idea to read and review the rules below so that you have a very good idea of what to expect when you come to Pacers Digest.

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Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.

Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

Rule #2

If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

An example:

If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:
Title of the Article
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Rule #6

We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.

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Rule #7

Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

Rule #8

We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

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Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.

Rule #10

We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.

Rule #11

Do not advertise anything without talking about it with the administrators first. This includes advertising with your signature, with your avatar, through private messaging, and/or by making a thread or post.
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  • Re: Chris Paul to Clippers

    Originally posted by Kstat View Post
    Gilbert's letter was mailed AFTER the trade was vetoed. It had nothing to do with it.

    Are you sure about that? Why would he send an email like that if the trade had already been vetoed? His email sounds like someone who is upset about a trade that is going to happen, not someone who is writing about something that has already been cancelled.

    It was leaked to the media after the trade was cancelled, but did he send it to Stern before Stern vetoed it? I thought he did.


    • Re: Chris Paul to Clippers

      However, the Yahoo! Sports Staff obtained an email sent from Gilbert to Stern in which he explicitly urged the Commissioner stop the trade. Initially it was believed that Gilbert's lobbying against the trade may have factored into Stern's decision, however, Wojnarowski, later tweeted that a timestamp on the email indicated it was sent after 10 p.m. when the trade had already been vetoed.
      Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.


      • Re: Chris Paul to Clippers

        Originally posted by Doddage View Post
        So CP3, Billups, and Mo Williams? Okay...
        The Clippers wanna be successful like Minnesota.

        It's a Kahn-spiracy.


        A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
        Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...


        • Re: Chris Paul to Clippers

          Using what the Jazz acquired for Deron Williams as the standard, I don't think Chris Paul's current price tag is unreasonable.

          Derrick Favors
          Devin Harris
          2011 1st Round Draft Pick
          2012 1st Round Draft Pick

          Favors was, at that point, the current #2 overall pick in the draft, and the Nets had a 17-40 record at the time of the deal (the pick ended up #3 [Enes Kanter]). Throw in a point guard two-years removed from the All-Star Game, Harris, and an additional 1st round pick, and I'd say that compares to what New Orleans' management is demanding for Paul.


          • Re: Chris Paul to Clippers

            Thanks, didn't know that. That does change my perspective.


            • Re: Chris Paul to Clippers


              The Hornets and David Stern: NBA fans really do not like the situation that is playing out in New Orleans involving Chris Paul. It stinks of collusion, it stinks of bad management – it just stinks.

              Before you pass too much judgment on this brutally botched process, consider how we got here.

              Last year George Shinn was trying to sell the Hornets to minority owner Gary Chouest. Sources say Shinn was refusing to put any more money into the Hornets and when the BP oil spill hit the Gulf Coast, Chouest’s Edison Chouest Offshore took a major hit from suspended oil drilling, which combined with a hefty asking price killed a potential deal.

              Sources say Shinn was going to default on loan payments, which would have caused a ripple effect impacting every NBA team that owed money – either in risk-related rate increases or outright debt calls from investors fearful for their money.

              Sources at the time pointed to the cost of the domino effect one team defaulting would have on all of the team as being more expensive than buying the team. So the NBA and its 29 owners agreed to buy the team.

              Since owning the team the NBA has treated the franchise like a “fixer up” house. They have pumped tons of resources into the Hornets on every front turning around the business outlook of the team.

              Sources say there is a “ready-for-signature” sweetheart arena lease that would keep the team in New Orleans through 2025. The Hornets have 10,000 season tickets sold for this season. There are plans to renovate and improve the building. There are tax inducements and benefits in place and even a new TV deal that could swell the broadcast revenue maybe even three fold.

              To put it bluntly – the Hornets are now positioned and priced to sell.

              Enter the Chris Paul saga.

              No one expects that Chris Paul will stay in New Orleans beyond this season. However if Chris is going to be traded, he has to return a future for the franchise.

              The NBA has spent hundreds of man-hours working on the business side to make this team attractive to would-be buyers, they cannot afford – literally – to allow a deal on the basketball side that ties the team to long-term contract money and no future.

              No offense to Luis Scola, Kevin Martin and Lamar Odom – who would have landed in New Orleans as part of the now-dead Lakers deal – but those players are at or past their prime, and on high dollar contracts.

              None of them draw a national TV audience, and none of them are marquee enough to sell a season ticket around. They might win basketball games, but this isn’t about winning basketball games yet.

              The L.A. Clippers deal is almost there in terms of what the NBA wants in return for Chris Paul – a deal built around young guys on their rookie deals and an unprotected first round pick.

              Fans want to believe this is about David Stern wanting to steer players… and at some level maybe that’s true.

              But what all of this is really about is ultimately selling the Hornets.

              The NBA wants the Hornets to look like a can’t-miss investment for an owner… the NBA has put the paint on the house, installed new appliances and added new carpet… they cannot allow the basketball operation side to park a used car in the driveway just as they are trying to sell it.

              Young guys, draft picks and a promising future will be the “bow on the top” that gets this sold, and that’s why the NBA is being aggressive about what the Hornets get back for Paul.

              A clean slate full of young guys and draft picks is a lot more attractive to a would-be owner who can then mold the team his way, rather than a roster full of guys that have two or three years left that handcuff the owner to high dollar salaries with no flexibility.

              Chris Paul is going to be traded. That is going to happen soon, but the deal that gets it done will be a lot more about enhancing the sale value of then Hornets and a lot less about anything else.

              You may not like how this is playing out, but this is about business first and the NBA’s desire to flip the Hornets in a sale as quickly as they can.

              This is the rest of the story.


              • Re: Chris Paul to Clippers

                I don't think that Clippers offer - the one in which the Hornets get to choose Eric Gordon or the Minny pick - is going anywhere in the next couple of months, so no need for New Orleans to rush to a deal.


                • Re: Chris Paul to Clippers

                  Originally posted by bballpacen View Post
                  Possibly b/c we are all Pacer fans here...
                  Not True. There's a lot of fans from other teams that post here.


                  • Re: Chris Paul to Clippers

                    Originally posted by cordobes View Post
                    I don't think that Clippers offer - the one in which the Hornets get to choose Eric Gordon or the Minny pick - is going anywhere in the next couple of months, so no need for New Orleans to rush to a deal.
                    LAC is working on a long-term extension with Gordon, so that deal is actually gone.

                    NOLA can have the minnesota pick, or nothing. The clippers have all the leverage here.

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                    • Re: Chris Paul to Clippers

                      Originally posted by Kstat View Post
                      LAC is working on a long-term extension with Gordon, so that deal is actually gone.

                      NOLA can have the minnesota pick, or nothing. The clippers have all the leverage here.

                      So Aminu, Bledsoe, and Minny's unprotected pick is basically the offer?

                      How does that stack up with the IND/BOS three team deal?

                      Hansbrough, Collison, Rush, Green, Bradley, Clipper's 1st (from Boston), Indy's 1st?

                      I still want Rondo!
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