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Woj: Indiana 'serious threat' to sign D. West

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  • pacergod2
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    Re: Woj: Indiana 'serious threat' to sign D. West

    Also, I love Kirlenko's game, buthe would be a terrible fit here. Somebody complained about Nene's lack of an offensive game, yet promoted bringing Kirilenko here, who has a minimally better offensive game at best and he is a SF. We already have an efficient SF who we are paying a lot. With as much as I like Kirilenko's game, I don't see the need for us. I would rather go after Wilson Chandler in March if we go the SF/PF route.

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  • pacergod2
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    Re: Woj: Indiana 'serious threat' to sign D. West

    Diversion tactic?

    This could be a feeler for what we won't do. I don't necessarily believe that, but nobody tossed that out. It could be pure speculation and we are promoting that specualtion in an attempt to go elsewhere.

    Personally, I think that we are throwing out these kinds of feelers to make it known we are interested. The more these guys feel wanted, the more they will consider us, IMO. That is a necessary move by smaller markets to say, "you're our guy" in order to attract better free agents.

    Also, we may be going after West, because we will get him cheaper than the other options. Coming off an ACL and being 31. He plays for a team that is owned by the NBA and got ripped for making a trade that brought in more salary obligation at the deadline. They might not be players for DWest because they are on money lock down. Would the NBA sign off on a deal that they thought was too big? West might be our best, "Cheapest" option in terms of what we get for the money.

    West is a much better player than I think he is getting credit for. He is a very hard worker and is tough as nails. He takes care of his body, so I don't worry about him gaining a ton of weight, which is so much tougher for big guys like Shaq to overcome injury. Skinny guys like Amare do better in recovery as long as they work hard.

    Nene and Chandler, I love. When talking about needing a bucket at the end of a game, Nene helps the team score in an efficient manner or on a putback. He won't isolate, but do we want isolation basketball when the game is on the line? H*LL no. Our best scorer is not an isolation scorer, so why would you want those possessions late in a game? You shouldn't. Nene can get you a bucket in the flow of the offense, whereas Chandler is more capable of making an athletic play to win a game. Both aren't nearly as talented offensively as West. I would say both are better defenders, but that is more a promotion of their defensive acumen and less a detraction from West's defense. West is a good rebounder, but I think his numbers would be higher if he didn't play the high post on offense so much and did not have an excellent rebounder in Okafor playing next to him. I think if we brought West in to play next to Hibbert, his rebounding numbers would get better than his already solid (but not league leading) rebounding totals. I think you see a similar trade-off with combinations like Lopez/Humphries and Nene/Martin. Both sets are good rebounders, but are more effective rebounders together than individually.

    I think West would be a great addition if the money was right, like many people already mentioned. We might be targetting West for more PG-friendly reasons than just West though. If we lose a season, I think West would become even cheaper with the amount of teams going to throw money at higher valued players. I have no control over what we do, so I just want to see moves that make sense, i.e. adding West and a backup C or trading a guard (and Posey as an eventual amnesty casualty) for a big with a bigger contract like Kaman. JMO.

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  • pacer4ever
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    Originally posted by ballism View Post
    I think if we got Dwight and CP3 in 2012, and then Iggy and Josh Smith in 2013, Granger would be a perfect fit for that team!
    I know this is sarcasm by you but I think that is the type of team I would be a perfect fit for . We would be the best defensive team by far and that would be with me playing defense that makes Dunleavy look like a good defender.

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  • graphic-er
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    Just as long as signing a 31 year old D.West with unproven ligaments doesn't keep us from Eric Gordon next year.

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  • daschysta
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    I wouldn't hate west for a decent contract (we may be able to get a deal on him due to the injury).

    Offensively he'd be a pretty good fit, and he'd be a real second option/ 1B kind of guy. Plus we know he's thrived beside collison before.

    Age doesn't worry me so much with David West, as his game doesn't rely on athleticism so much.

    We can still be a very, very good defensive team with west in the lineup, he's a better defender than tyler, who gets lost constantly and we looked like a pretty epic defensive team vs. chicago anyhow, I don't think we would really hurt us there anyhow.

    I'd prefer nene, and honestly wouldn't mind sitting on our money until we see what we've got/ pull off an uneven trade at the deadline, but I wouldn't be on suicide watch or anything if we got West, and still think he'd substantially improve our team for the next few years.

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  • Gamble1
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    Re: Woj: Indiana 'serious threat' to sign D. West

    Originally posted by Sookie View Post
    He's a pretty terrible choice to pair with Roy.
    Offensively no.. Defensively yes. Rebound wise its a wash IMO with Nene or West.

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  • Sookie
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    He's a pretty terrible choice to pair with Roy.

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  • Gamble1
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    Re: Woj: Indiana 'serious threat' to sign D. West

    Originally posted by 90'sNBARocked View Post
    We have lacked a consistent scorer to pair with Danny since , I can't even think of who was second in scoring to Danny, maybe Dunleavy the year he averaged almost 20 a game. Nene might be a better rebounder and defensive pressence, but I dont think he can be counted as a legit second option to Danny.
    This is very true. A lot of posters like Nene for obivious reasons but he is better suited for a team with 2 good scorers. He's basically a complement big much like Chandler is on defense. The probelm I have with Nene is that he seems to be ok with giving less than 100%. This was the opinion of some nuggets fans so I tend to think in Indiana he would be even more OK with that type of attitude after a big contract.

    Personally I think the money that could be saved on not signing Nene could be used to resign the Pacers own 2012 FA's. IF West is healthy he gives the Pacers a number 2 option that doesn't clog the paint for Roy to work close to the basket. He works well with Collison and he's a veteran that won't get into trouble or hurt the locker room.

    We made a defensive upgrade at the wings with Hill now we just need to add a cheap defensive upgrade at the backup Center position.

    This is one month old but I am not sure if it was posted or not.
    According to Alex Kennedy of Hoopsworld, the Indiana Pacers have free agent David West at the top of their free agent wishlist

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  • Sparhawk
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    Originally posted by Doddage View Post
    That team would be just
    Pacers would be the assassins of the NBA Although I'd decline Iggy. He'd only take minutes from PG.

    Josh Smith and Howard...yes please!!!!

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  • glazedham42
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    Granger, Howard, and George would be a nightmare for other teams on both sides of the floor. Can you imagine teams trying to stay out of the middle to avoid Dwight, and their reward for doing that is Paul and Danny's length, and athleticism on the perimeter? That would be a scary team to play offense against.

    I'd love to see the Pacers get back to playing brutal, east coast, beat you up defense like most teams did in the 90s. Back when you would win a game with a final score of 78-75 and the game was still exciting for the fans to watch because each basket was a monumental battle.

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  • Doddage
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    Originally posted by ballism View Post
    I think if we got Dwight and CP3 in 2012, and then Iggy and Josh Smith in 2013, Granger would be a perfect fit for that team!
    That team would be just

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  • ballism
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    Re: Woj: Indiana 'serious threat' to sign D. West

    I think if we got Dwight and CP3 in 2012, and then Iggy and Josh Smith in 2013, Granger would be a perfect fit for that team!

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  • righteouscool
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    Originally posted by daschysta View Post
    You think ORL minus dwight is anything other than competing for the lottery?

    IND with dwight > ORL with dwight.

    Danny would be by far the best player he's ever played with, and it would allow us (as much as I love Roy), to package high value young players like roy etc... to get another difference maker.

    Collison
    George
    Granger
    Hansbrough
    Howard

    along with hill could be close to a contender imo.

    Granger would be an awesome #2 option, and if george is anything near what we think we coul dbe a force.

    However I doubt he comes here unless the CBA works out in such a way as to make us the only attractive destination that can afford him, and sign and trades are (with birds rights) are done away with.

    Granger would just eat teams alive iwth the open looks he would get.
    I agree. I think Granger, as good as a shooter he is, is a perfect compliment to Howard. You add Granger, George, and Howard's length together and you have a big, athletic team. Howard could even play with Hibbert, imo, and could play PF to start and then center for most of his minutes.

    I think the Pacers as they are constructed are a great compliment to Howard, but I doubt he comes here. As Barkley said in the playoffs, the Pacers are a well built team with a superstar level player. Really, I hope somehow Williams or Howard gets convinced to come to Indiana.
    Last edited by righteouscool; 10-21-2011, 05:02 AM.

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  • CableKC
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    Originally posted by Psyren View Post
    I tend to agree with you on this

    Nene only shoots a high percentage because all his points are Dunks and Layups.

    I'm in no way against bringing in Nene, but we're going to have to find a way to bring another scorer as well. Nene can't be counted on to take that last second shot, and if he is all that we can acquire, we're back to being stuck with Danny's Iso (Ugh) for every last second shot.
    I'd have to dig up the stats somewhere....but Nene is a highly efficient scorer in the low post. He puts up a good # of points for a Player that doesn't require that many touches. I don't mind having a Player like him in the lineup....basically a Bruiser that can be effective on both ends of the floor without requiring too many touches on the offensive end.

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  • CableKC
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    Re: Woj: Indiana 'serious threat' to sign D. West

    Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
    or we could just sign a center like Kwame Brown to play backup C
    I'd be okay with doing both. Foster could still play a consistent and solid 10-12 mpg as a backup rotational Center. As for Kwame....I think that he's supposed to be pretty athletic...low basketball IQ...but I think he is supposed to be a rather solid low post defender. As a backup to Hibbert...I'd have no problem with playing him behind Hibbert and ahead of or next to Foster in the Big Man rotation.

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