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Woj: Indiana 'serious threat' to sign D. West

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  • #61
    Re: Woj: Indiana 'serious threat' to sign D. West

    Originally posted by CableKC View Post
    Although we have Foster.....he's not going to be able to consistently play 24+ minutes a game.....I think that what Pacerized is suggesting is that we need a PF who can play some meaningful backup minutes at the Center spot so that he can play next to Hansbrough. AK47 can't do that on a regular basis.
    I do want a PF that can play center against anyone in the league. I'd be fine with signing a center and starting 2 centers. I've long argued that we gain far more then we lose in that lineup.
    More then anything I want a PF that plays in the paint, is big enough to defend anyone, and gives us an advantage. I don't want a PF that plays like a sf in any way. I'm sick of undersized PF's in the league. There are so many that people think we need to go small to match up with them and we don't. A quality traditional big lineup would dominate in today's nba more then it would in past years if only because most teams couldn't hang with them in the paint.
    Nene is the best available player to fit our needs.
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    • #62
      Re: Woj: Indiana 'serious threat' to sign D. West

      Originally posted by Pacerized View Post
      I do want a PF that can play center against anyone in the league. I'd be fine with signing a center and starting 2 centers. I've long argued that we gain far more then we lose in that lineup.
      More then anything I want a PF that plays in the paint, is big enough to defend anyone, and gives us an advantage. I don't want a PF that plays like a sf in any way. I'm sick of undersized PF's in the league. There are so many that people think we need to go small to match up with them and we don't. A quality traditional big lineup would dominate in today's nba more then it would in past years if only because most teams couldn't hang with them in the paint.
      Nene is the best available player to fit our needs.
      I agree! If we are going to beat Chicago, NY, and Miami we will need to be able to clog up the paint and turn them into outside shooting teams.
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      • #63
        Re: Woj: Indiana 'serious threat' to sign D. West

        If D. Williams would even entertain an offer to stay in Indiana long-term, that's who you go after. West is irrelevant by comparison.

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        • #64
          Re: Woj: Indiana 'serious threat' to sign D. West

          Originally posted by graphic-er View Post
          Nene or Tyson Chandler. We gots to have size and physicality to beat The Bulls or Miami over the next 6 years or so. We need to develop into a defensive monster to beat those teams with 3 of the best players in the league.
          I like either much better than West without question.

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          • #65
            Re: Woj: Indiana 'serious threat' to sign D. West

            I think the NBA will lose a season. If it does there will be free agents like Dwight Howard for us to consider. Of course Howard is torn about staying in Orlando or moving to a bigger market so I don't think he would be interested in Indiana.

            The problem is most stars all seem to be wanting to go to the same teams, and for me if this continues I'll no longer be interested in the NBA. What might help us is if the new CBA restricts that from happening.

            We will see.

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            • #66
              Re: Woj: Indiana 'serious threat' to sign D. West

              Originally posted by Will Galen View Post
              I think the NBA will lose a season. If it does there will be free agents like Dwight Howard for us to consider. Of course Howard is torn about staying in Orlando or moving to a bigger market so I don't think he would be interested in Indiana.

              The problem is most stars all seem to be wanting to go to the same teams, and for me if this continues I'll no longer be interested in the NBA. What might help us is if the new CBA restricts that from happening.

              We will see.
              Its kind of hard to go from Orlando, which was a team that consistently made the playoffs, to Indy
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              • #67
                Re: Woj: Indiana 'serious threat' to sign D. West

                Originally posted by MillerTime View Post
                Its kind of hard to go from Orlando, which was a team that consistently made the playoffs, to Indy
                You think ORL minus dwight is anything other than competing for the lottery?

                IND with dwight > ORL with dwight.

                Danny would be by far the best player he's ever played with, and it would allow us (as much as I love Roy), to package high value young players like roy etc... to get another difference maker.

                Collison
                George
                Granger
                Hansbrough
                Howard

                along with hill could be close to a contender imo.

                Granger would be an awesome #2 option, and if george is anything near what we think we coul dbe a force.

                However I doubt he comes here unless the CBA works out in such a way as to make us the only attractive destination that can afford him, and sign and trades are (with birds rights) are done away with.

                Granger would just eat teams alive iwth the open looks he would get.
                Last edited by daschysta; 10-21-2011, 01:08 AM.
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                • #68
                  Re: Woj: Indiana 'serious threat' to sign D. West

                  We have lacked a consistent scorer to pair with Danny since , I can't even think of who was second in scoring to Danny, maybe Dunleavy the year he averaged almost 20 a game. Nene might be a better rebounder and defensive pressence, but I dont think he can be counted as a legit second option to Danny. West averaged almost 19 points a game and 8 boards. He could be counted on to be that second scorer. Think about how many times late in the game Danny was smothered and we couldnt get a shot off. TJ Ford, as much as people don't likie him, could create his own shot at the end of the game. When the game is down to us needing a shot we could play off Granger and West and the defense would have to respect both.

                  Nene , I dont think you can go to late in the game to get a crucial bucket. He doesnt have a strong mid range game out to 20 feet. He shoots high percentage from the field because most of his points are within 5 feet of the basket.
                  Last edited by 90'sNBARocked; 10-21-2011, 01:38 AM.
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                  • #69
                    Re: Woj: Indiana 'serious threat' to sign D. West

                    Originally posted by 90'sNBARocked View Post
                    We have lacked a consistent scorer to pair with Danny since , I can't even think of who was second in scoring to Danny, maybe Dunleavy the year he averaged almost 20 a game. Nene might be a better rebounder and defensive pressence, but I dont think he can be counted as a legit second option to Danny. West averaged almost 19 points a game and 8 boards. He could be counted on to be that second scorer. Think about how many times late in the game Danny was smothered and we couldnt get a shot off. TJ Ford, as much as people don't likie him, could create his own shot at the end of the game. When the game is down to us needing a shot we could play off Granger and West and the defense would have to respect both.

                    Nene , I dont think you can go to late in the game to get a crucial bucket. He doesnt have a strong mid range game out to 20 feet. He shoots high percentage from the field because most of his points are within 5 feet of the basket.
                    I tend to agree with you on this

                    Nene only shoots a high percentage because all his points are Dunks and Layups.

                    I'm in no way against bringing in Nene, but we're going to have to find a way to bring another scorer as well. Nene can't be counted on to take that last second shot, and if he is all that we can acquire, we're back to being stuck with Danny's Iso (Ugh) for every last second shot.
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                    • #70
                      Re: Woj: Indiana 'serious threat' to sign D. West

                      Originally posted by Will Galen View Post
                      I think the NBA will lose a season.

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                      • #71
                        Re: Woj: Indiana 'serious threat' to sign D. West

                        Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
                        or we could just sign a center like Kwame Brown to play backup C
                        I'd be okay with doing both. Foster could still play a consistent and solid 10-12 mpg as a backup rotational Center. As for Kwame....I think that he's supposed to be pretty athletic...low basketball IQ...but I think he is supposed to be a rather solid low post defender. As a backup to Hibbert...I'd have no problem with playing him behind Hibbert and ahead of or next to Foster in the Big Man rotation.
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                        • #72
                          Re: Woj: Indiana 'serious threat' to sign D. West

                          Originally posted by Psyren View Post
                          I tend to agree with you on this

                          Nene only shoots a high percentage because all his points are Dunks and Layups.

                          I'm in no way against bringing in Nene, but we're going to have to find a way to bring another scorer as well. Nene can't be counted on to take that last second shot, and if he is all that we can acquire, we're back to being stuck with Danny's Iso (Ugh) for every last second shot.
                          I'd have to dig up the stats somewhere....but Nene is a highly efficient scorer in the low post. He puts up a good # of points for a Player that doesn't require that many touches. I don't mind having a Player like him in the lineup....basically a Bruiser that can be effective on both ends of the floor without requiring too many touches on the offensive end.
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                          • #73
                            Re: Woj: Indiana 'serious threat' to sign D. West

                            Originally posted by daschysta View Post
                            You think ORL minus dwight is anything other than competing for the lottery?

                            IND with dwight > ORL with dwight.

                            Danny would be by far the best player he's ever played with, and it would allow us (as much as I love Roy), to package high value young players like roy etc... to get another difference maker.

                            Collison
                            George
                            Granger
                            Hansbrough
                            Howard

                            along with hill could be close to a contender imo.

                            Granger would be an awesome #2 option, and if george is anything near what we think we coul dbe a force.

                            However I doubt he comes here unless the CBA works out in such a way as to make us the only attractive destination that can afford him, and sign and trades are (with birds rights) are done away with.

                            Granger would just eat teams alive iwth the open looks he would get.
                            I agree. I think Granger, as good as a shooter he is, is a perfect compliment to Howard. You add Granger, George, and Howard's length together and you have a big, athletic team. Howard could even play with Hibbert, imo, and could play PF to start and then center for most of his minutes.

                            I think the Pacers as they are constructed are a great compliment to Howard, but I doubt he comes here. As Barkley said in the playoffs, the Pacers are a well built team with a superstar level player. Really, I hope somehow Williams or Howard gets convinced to come to Indiana.
                            Last edited by righteouscool; 10-21-2011, 05:02 AM.

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                            • #74
                              Re: Woj: Indiana 'serious threat' to sign D. West

                              I think if we got Dwight and CP3 in 2012, and then Iggy and Josh Smith in 2013, Granger would be a perfect fit for that team!

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                              • #75
                                Re: Woj: Indiana 'serious threat' to sign D. West

                                Originally posted by ballism View Post
                                I think if we got Dwight and CP3 in 2012, and then Iggy and Josh Smith in 2013, Granger would be a perfect fit for that team!
                                That team would be just

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