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How Do You Solve a Problem Like O’Brien?

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  • How Do You Solve a Problem Like O’Brien?

    http://www.eightpointsnineseconds.co.../#comment-6073

    by Tim Donahue

    The NBA is a players’ league, and the results that any team achieves are overwhelmingly driven by the quality of that team’s players. Coaches are necessary, even important, but in the NBA they have less impact on the variability of a team’s result than is popularly attributed. The reason for this is that there is less variability in the quality of coaches than is popularly thought.

    I believe that there are a select few “great” coaches, and, surprisingly, even fewer “terrible” coaches. Most are qualified individuals with their own collection of strengths and foibles. Most will succeed with good talent, and fail with weak talent.

    The most successful coaches have their biggest impact before the game starts. Their primary job is to teach the players what to do and prepare them for what the opponent will do. In general, I consider in-game moves, particularly play-calling out of time outs or in late-game situations, to be highly overrated. Those times more than any other are dictated by the quality and the execution of the players.

    Because of this, I consider the greatest sin an NBA coach can commit is to over-coach. To think that he can “out-coach” the game, or win a game in the huddle, as opposed to the players winning it on the floor. Or, as I like to say, “To become Isiah Thomas.”

    Right now, Jim O’Brien is over-coaching. He seems to be over-coaching, because he has no faith in his players — at least most of them. The lack of faith in a lot of his players (guys like TJ Ford, Brandon Rush and, now, Roy Hibbert) is well earned and well deserved. But that is beside the point.

    A classic rule of management says that people will perform to expectations — whether that be up or down. So by assuming failure on the part of his players, he changes that assumption from being probably right to almost certainly right. Therefore, he’s creating a self-fulfilling prophecy that these guys will fail.

    So, while the root of the problem is, was, and will continue to be the issues related to the inadequacy of the players, O’Brien has become a contributor to the problem by confirming those flaws, predicting failure and, therefore, ensuring failure.

    Perversely, the thing that seems to have happened here is not so much — as one commenter to 8p9s said — that the coach has “lost” the players, but that the players “lost” the coach.

    So, the Pacer management is faced with a problem I’ve seen before in my professional life: How do you remove an under-performing manager without letting the under-performing workforce off the hook?

    I’m of two minds on firing O’Brien mid-season.

    Firs of all, I don’t like it because it gives credence to the overwhelming fan voice that says O’Brien is the problem. To me, that’s a gross oversimplification of the situation, and much of the vitriol is based on style, rather than actual substance. Put more simply: it’s always easy to blame the coach, particularly one you don’t like.

    On the other hand, there doesn’t currently seem to be any signs that the team will turn around under O’Brien. It is possible that even a temporary (and false) bounce would be enough to get to the playoffs. That’s something I think these players (Danny Granger, Rush, Hibbert, Darren Collison, A.J. Price, Tyler Hansbrough, even Paul George) and this franchise desperately needs, and should weigh heavily in any considerations.

    It has been reported that the Pacers’ brass are not pleased with O’Brien’s performance right now, but they will keep him until the end of the season — primarily because they don’t view any of his assistants as viable alternatives. Arguably, this restriction on removing O’Brien right now seems entirely artificial.

    Let’s not pretend that former Pacers assistant coach Lester Conner was some head-coach-in-waiting and current Pacers assistant coach Frank Vogel isn’t. It seems to me that Vogel could continue the system well enough, while arguably being more likely to “not know what’s going to fail.” If I thought O’Brien was actually doing serious damage, Frank Vogel being only replacement wouldn’t stop me from pulling the trigger. (Mike Wells is reporting that the team “wouldn’t move any of the assistants up,” however.)

    Still, what happens if Bird walks into Conseco today, tells O’Brien they’re letting him go, promotes Vogel, and then says to the players, “OK … no more excuses”? Does the team turn it around? Who knows? But there probably would not be a major windfall of victories immediately. This isn’t an incredibly talented team whose coach is holding them down. This is a flawed, immature team whose coach isn’t making things any better or easier.

    Ultimately, I think O’Brien is committing what I consider to be the worst coaching sin. However, I don’t think he’s the core problem, and I don’t think firing him is the core solution. It’s self-serving, but my suspicion is that Bird’s opinion isn’t that far different from mine.

    So can Bird stage an intervention?

    What happens if Bird does two things?

    Goes to the players and lays it all on them. Says, “Grow up. The reason you’re losing is because you aren’t playing well. O’Brien will be here for the rest of the year, so man up, and do your job.”
    Then goes to O’Brien, and says, “Look, I’m not going to tell you who to play, but I am going to tell you to make a decision. By tomorrow morning, I want you to come back in here with a rotation that you will go with for the rest of the season, along with contingencies for injuries. It will be entirely up to you. I don’t care who it is, but you will lock down a 9- or 10-man rotation, and you will communicate this to your players with your commitment to stick with it for the rest of the year. I will back you completely. If a necessary change becomes apparent, then we will discuss it, but we are done with the constant changes. I know what you think the problems are, and I don’t necessarily disagree, but I don’t care any more. We need to pick a course and stick with it.”
    Is that the happy — or even unhappy — medium that gets this team back on the same page?

    Just as it would take a total team effort for these Pacers to have gone 15-5 over the last 20 games, it has taken a total team effort for them to go 5-15. Everybody had to come to the party on this one, including Larry Bird, who has been with the Pacers in some function when every player on this roster was acquired.

    Ideally, problems are handled as they arise at lower levels of any organization. The best teams have strong leaders in the locker room to head off trouble early. Should that be insufficient, then it’s the coach’s responsibility to get things back on track. If it moves past that, then you have a team in crisis.

    Right now, the Pacers are a team in crisis, and Larry Bird is the guy who must step up and resolve it. He needs to make sure the players understand their ultimate accountability for their own (and the team’s) performance. He must address any problems he has with O’Brien’s performance without scapegoating him. He must put a fractured team back together.

    And if he can’t or won’t do that, then I don’t know what this franchise can do to change the path they’re on. And I don’t know how they come back from where that path leads.
    "A man with no belly has no appetite for life."

    - Salman Rushdie

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    Re: How Do You Solve a Problem Like O’Brien?

    When I watch him I'm confused
    Out of focus and bemused
    And I never know exactly where I am
    Unpredictable as weather
    He's as flighty as a feather
    He's a darling! He's a demon! He's a lamb!

    He'd outpester any pest
    Drive a hornet from its nest
    He could throw a whirling dervish out of whirl
    He is gentle! He is wild!
    He's a riddle! He's a child!
    He's a headache! He's an angel!
    He's a coach!
    PSN: MRat731 XBL: MRat0731

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      Re: How Do You Solve a Problem Like O’Brien?

      I like his description of the situation. Effectively, it's a very imperfect, inexperienced, and marginally talented group of players. Still, JOB is very much compounding the problem. This can certainly be argued to both hurt any playoff chances and any player development that might occur.
      I'd rather die standing up than live on my knees.

      -Emiliano Zapata

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        Re: How Do You Solve a Problem Like O’Brien?

        JOB is by far the Pacers' easiest problem to solve: You either fire him now or simply don't re-sign him after his contract runs out at the end of the year. It's easy.

        The Pacers have far bigger and more complex problems to solve than Jim O'Brien. He's the easy part.

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          Re: How Do You Solve a Problem Like O’Brien?

          I think the right circumstances can have a coach making a big positive difference (see Larry Brown in 1994), but I also agree that most of the time it comes down to the players.

          However, I believe it's easier for a coach to mess things up than it is to make things better. I think Jim's making it worse.

          It's said that Jim 'isn't the problem', but rather the players are the problem. I say to that: It depends on what you mean by the problem.

          If you mean 'we're not winning 50+ games and we're not a playoff contender', I agree with you it's the players more than it is the coach.

          If, however, you mean 'we're not going to win 41 games,' I completely disagree. I think we have enough talent, right now, to win 41 games. But we won't. And that's on Jim O'Brien.

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            Re: How Do You Solve a Problem Like O’Brien?

            Originally posted by Hicks View Post
            I think the right circumstances can have a coach making a big positive difference (see Larry Brown in 1994), but I also agree that most of the time it comes down to the players.

            However, I believe it's easier for a coach to mess things up than it is to make things better. I think Jim's making it worse.

            It's said that Jim 'isn't the problem', but rather the players are the problem. I say to that: It depends on what you mean by the problem.

            If you mean 'we're not winning 50+ games and we're not a playoff contender', I agree with you it's the players more than it is the coach.

            If, however, you mean 'we're not going to win 41 games,' I completely disagree. I think we have enough talent, right now, to win 41 games. But we won't. And that's on Jim O'Brien.
            Completely agree. If anything, we just don't KNOW what we have because of JOB's insane rotations, starts, and DNPs. All I want is a chance to see what we have. That's it. If our players suck, so be it. They suck. As it is, we don't know because JOB yanks minutes around so much.

            I don't agree with the OP article at all. JOB is not a scapegoat here. His inconsistent minutes and bad in-game strategy (Posey on etc.) are directly related to poor performance. If anything, like I've said over and over, the way he treats his players is why they are underperforming.
            Last edited by oxxo; 01-25-2011, 11:07 PM.

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            • #7
              Re: How Do You Solve a Problem Like O’Brien?

              You can't solve a problem like JOB. He's just taht bad.

              You have to let him run his course of screwing you over. Much like an illness. You can take medication to try to ease it away, but you more or less have to let it run it's course.
              Stop quoting people I have on ignore!

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              • #8
                Re: How Do You Solve a Problem Like O’Brien?

                The fieldhouse is alive with the sound of booing......
                PSN: MRat731 XBL: MRat0731

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                • #9
                  Re: How Do You Solve a Problem Like O’Brien?

                  It's not that hard Larry, send that man packing today and not a day later!!!
                  GO PACERS!!!

                  Twitter: @Circlecity3318

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                  • #10
                    Re: How Do You Solve a Problem Like O’Brien?

                    Good read and I especially liked the idea of sticking with the 9 or 10 man rotation no matter.
                    It would take away the major complaint about this coach, at the very least.

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                    • #11
                      Re: How Do You Solve a Problem Like O’Brien?

                      Over coaching is a great description of what Obie is doing. I don't think he is an idiot, as some people like to claim. In fact, I think he probably has a great basketball mind. And as an unorthodox NBA thinker, I think he is up there with Don Nelson. The problem to me is that he doesn't seem to adapt to reality very well. Some of his schemes look very nice on paper but for whatever reason the players have not been able to execute them consistently.

                      Take his defense for example. Now when Obie joined the team, he had to factor in two poor defenders (Dunleavy and Murphy) so I could understand why he chose to go with a complicated team defense designed to hide individual deficiencies. Murphy is gone now though and Dunleavy should be a 6th man at best, and the rest of the team can at least defend their position, so couldn't we go back to a more straight up defense? As a "true believer" though I think Obie has fallen in love with his defensive scheme and wouldn't rationally consider alternatives.

                      And then there's the apparent favoritism to certain players. I'm pretty sure that Obie favors players like Dunleavy and Posey simply because they stick to his (rigid?) system, which I think is his main criteria for apportioning minutes. There's a certain hubris in that - in effect Obie is saying that the one true way to win is by following his system, the actual results be damned.

                      Originally posted by d_c View Post
                      JOB is by far the Pacers' easiest problem to solve: You either fire him now or simply don't re-sign him after his contract runs out at the end of the year. It's easy.

                      The Pacers have far bigger and more complex problems to solve than Jim O'Brien. He's the easy part.
                      Well... yes. As far as next season is concerned, that's true.

                      I'm pretty sure the dilemma count55 is talking about is a midseason change. The truth is it won't take much to get into the East playoffs. So which route gives you the best chance? Do you take the devil you know (Obie) who historically has managed to convince his players to make a late season push? Or do you go for the temporary bounce that a new coach can give you, as the Bobcats are benefiting from right now?

                      Before the season I was thinking that we should just ride the Obie era out. At this point though with the Eastern playoffs in reach, I think I'd go for the second option. Unfortunately financial constraints on the Pacers seem to make this unlikely. To me that's a bit short sighted, as the financial benefit from making the playoffs should outweigh the cost of an interim coach. The excuse of having no capable assistant is spurious - Charlotte and Paul Silas have showed that even a veteran NBA coach is willing to take a short interim contract.
                      Last edited by wintermute; 01-26-2011, 06:21 AM.

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                      • #12
                        Re: How Do You Solve a Problem Like O’Brien?

                        Originally posted by MagicRat View Post
                        The fieldhouse is alive with the sound of booing......
                        Dang, you're on a roll. You are right in line with that "Sound of Music" thread theme.

                        And your poem, Meredith Brooks would be proud! Of course, I think that referring to JOB as the song title might have been more appropriate.

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                          Re: How Do You Solve a Problem Like O’Brien?

                          Originally posted by wintermute View Post
                          Take his defense for example. Now when Obie joined the team, he had to factor in two poor defenders (Dunleavy and Murphy) so I could understand why he chose to go with a complicated team defense designed to hide individual deficiencies. Murphy is gone now though and Dunleavy should be a 6th man at best, and the rest of the team can at least defend their position, so couldn't we go back to a more straight up defense? As a "true believer" though I think Obie has fallen in love with his defensive scheme and wouldn't rationally consider alternatives.
                          The defensive system is substantially different from JOB's first year here. it is noticeably different if you were to watch two minutes from Jim's first season and compare it to now you would see. it is much more 'straight up defense. So not only has he considered changes he has followed through on the changes and it has benefitted the defense.

                          he changed it two years ago as a result of not have big guys capable of trapping, helping, rotating in order to play the defense he did with the Celtics and Sixers.

                          here is a thread from 15 months ago where we discussed this
                          http://www.pacersdigest.com/showthread.php?t=48805
                          Last edited by Unclebuck; 01-26-2011, 09:23 AM.

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                          • #14
                            Re: How Do You Solve a Problem Like O’Brien?

                            Welcome aboard, Count.

                            Although the ship left a year and half ago.
                            "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference

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                            • #15
                              Re: How Do You Solve a Problem Like O’Brien?

                              Simple, FIRE HIM!!!
                              I'm not perfect and neither are you.

                              Romans 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the esteem of Elohim,
                              Ephisians 4: 32 And be kind towards one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as Elohim also forgave you in Messiah.

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