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  • Pacers brass were "furious" with AJ Price

    http://www.newsday.com/sports/basket...rice-1.2582680
    By Alan Hahn

    A.J. Price managed to make it back from a potentially devastating knee injury suffered last spring without missing any time this season. He said his decision to play in that charity game at Half Hollow Hills West was a mistake but added, "It was a Long Island thing and a favor for a friend type of thing."

    The former Amityville star and two-time Suffolk County player of the year fractured his left kneecap in the May 22 game, which was organized by Troy Jackson, whose brother is former NBA guard and current ABC/ESPN analyst Mark Jackson.

    Price was the only NBA player in the game. The Pacers were furious when Price, a second-round pick in 2009, told them of the injury.

    "Looking back at it, it probably wasn't the smartest decision," Price said. "I don't think I regret it. I probably should have consulted with people before I did."

    Price made a quick recovery and the Pacers kept him on the roster after he arrived ready for training camp. He was inactive against the Knicks yesterday, has appeared in only six games this season and is averaging 5.2 points and 2.2 assists in 10.2 minutes per game.

    His $726,000 salary for this season will be guaranteed if he isn't waived by Wednesday. The Pacers see Price as their future backup point guard behind Darren Collison once veteran T.J. Ford's contract expires this summer.
    Could this be a reason why he hasn't seen much playing time this year, despite playing well when given the opportunity?
    Sittin on top of the world!

  • #2
    Re: Pacers brass were "furious" with AJ Price

    Well they can get over it. Quick.

    TJ Ford sucks.
    We need better than solid. No JJ Redicks, Andray Blatche, Mike Dunleavy type guys to have big roles on our team.

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    • #3
      Re: Pacers brass were "furious" with AJ Price

      I don't know. Seems stupid, if you aren't going to play him, why not just cut him at the start of his injury instead waisting resources on him and holding on to him and not playing him.

      Unless of course its JOB that's mad, not Larry.

      But JOB has treated Price the same way this season as he did last season. Compliments in the press and then no playing time..

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        Re: Pacers brass were "furious" with AJ Price

        Originally posted by hoops_guy View Post
        Well they can get over it. Quick.

        TJ Ford sucks.
        Agreed.

        They need to learn to deal with being "furious" and let the kid play.

        I've seen enough of TJ. Hell, I'd seen enough of him 2 years ago.
        Stop quoting people I have on ignore!

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        • #5
          Re: Pacers brass were "furious" with AJ Price

          It's because Jim is a horrible human being, and hates charities.




          Yes. I'm joking.
          Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right. ― Ricky Gervais.

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          • #6
            Re: Pacers brass were "furious" with AJ Price

            Originally posted by 90'sNBARocked View Post
            despite playing well
            Sounds like a perfectly valid reason to inactivate a player. I mean really, winning insn't everything.

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            • #7
              Re: Pacers brass were "furious" with AJ Price

              This does remind me of the huge * attached to any discussion of AJ Price and our future PG plans. Why should we assume we can count on his health?

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              • #8
                Re: Pacers brass were "furious" with AJ Price

                jims so weird i mean ford has failed and jim benched him in the past

                now we get a young pg who is the best pg we've had here in such a long time and now he plays ford

                jim has such a man crush with veterans to the point where its down right scary
                In 49 states it's just basketball, but this is Indiana!

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                • #9
                  Re: Pacers brass were "furious" with AJ Price

                  Thats okay, I'm furious with the Pacers brass.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Pacers brass were "furious" with AJ Price

                    Originally posted by Scot Pollard View Post
                    jims so weird i mean ford has failed and jim benched him in the past

                    now we get a young pg who is the best pg we've had here in such a long time and now he plays ford

                    jim has such a man crush with veterans to the point where its down right scary
                    The walls are closing in on JOB, so he is reacting by scraping together whatever he can. He thinks the old players are it right now, but as you see he is slowly changing over to the younger guys, and if he last long enough, he will have been through every possible roster scenario by seasons end.
                    "Did we learn anything?"-Jonathan Ames

                    "No, but thats okay, It's a good thing to stay in the dark about things - it keeps life more interesting."- George Christopher

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                    • #11
                      Re: Pacers brass were "furious" with AJ Price

                      Originally posted by Hicks View Post
                      This does remind me of the huge * attached to any discussion of AJ Price and our future PG plans. Why should we assume we can count on his health?
                      I would be concerned, honestly. He's prone to really really freak injuries (that to be honest, all seem to be connected, AVM to ACL to the fracture..I just don't know if there's any injury that the bone fracture could lead too..).

                      I would hope thats done with, that he's had his fair share of bad luck, but I would be lying if I said I didn't cringe every time he drove to the basket. (Like I do with so many of the women's players I watch)

                      I think Price, if he stays healthy, can be a starting quality PG. But the Pacers are certainly smart not to take that risk. If he can stay healthy and beats out Collison at the starting PG spot, then good for him. If he can't stay healthy, then the Pacers have Collison. If he can stay healthy, and doesn't beat out Collison, then the Pacers have a good backup..or if he's given the opportunity to start somewhere else, once again, the Pacers still have DC.

                      The A.J. Price of his Junior college season (shown in flashes his senior year, and as a Pacer..but he just hasn't completely returned to healthy yet)...was quite frankly, my definition of a perfect PG. There's a reason I'm a fan. And if he returns to health, is perfectly capable of being a good starter. But he's obviously prone to extremely weird and traumatic injuries..so I'd be the first to say..don't depend on him, but give him a chance.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Pacers brass were "furious" with AJ Price

                        Given the myriad of stupid on-off court issues that have plagued this Team and its roster has seen over the years, it was a stupid ( but well-intentioned ) choice to make by AJ. I don't mind if the FO had some concerns about this ( enough to make them "furious" ) towards AJ. But let's be realistic about this....it was a mistake ( IMHO a minor one at that ) but this is nothing that the FO should heavily penalize AJ on.

                        My hope is that this amounted to nothing more then a "slap on the wrist" and that anything the AJ can do ( within reason ) that could lead to potential injury could be consulted upon with the FO.....if anything, we have seen far worse when it comes to Pacers Players doing something more stupid during off-hours / off-season.
                        Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Pacers brass were "furious" with AJ Price

                          Originally posted by Hicks View Post
                          This does remind me of the huge * attached to any discussion of AJ Price and our future PG plans. Why should we assume we can count on his health?
                          The Pacers are simply taking the safe route. If he's in a suit, he's less likely to get injured.

                          That's a valid reason to keep playing TJ, even though AJ is clearly better, right?..

                          Even if AJ does get injured again, we still have TJ 'The Turnover' Ford to come back in his spot.

                          Is the Pacers approach to seriously never play him because "he might get injured"? In that case, why do we even play?
                          Stop quoting people I have on ignore!

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                          • #14
                            Re: Pacers brass were "furious" with AJ Price

                            Sooooooo is he not supposed to play any basketball unless he's in a Pacers uniform? He probably shouldn't lift weights, or do any workouts either. You could get hurt doing those.

                            WTF.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Pacers brass were "furious" with AJ Price

                              Before training camp, we kept hearing things that AJ would be healthy and back to action well ahead of schedule. I think it was stated that normally an injury like his would keep a player out for a few months... and I believe that they said that normally he would be expected to be back around mid- to late-December.

                              Instead of accepting his "miraculous recovery", maybe all the Pacers did was to give him the normal time for recovery of an injury like his just to try to make certain that he was completely healed.

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