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Larry Brown 'stepping down' as head coach of the Bobcats

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  • #31
    Re: Larry Brown 'stepping down' as head coach of the Bobcats

    Originally posted by cordobes View Post
    I'm not sure I get your point.

    Tyrus Thomas has been getting about 20mpg playing in a rotation that features Diaw playing at the 4/5 and them Mohammed, Brown, Wallace and Thomas himself sharing the remaining big man minutes. Lately, during Gerald Wallace's injury, it has been Mohammed + Brown sharing minutes at the 5 (with Brown playing more) and Diaw + Thomas manning the 4 spot, with Thomas getting around 20 mpg. He's been averaging 20mpg for the season, I expect that number to climb to +30mpg.
    If your saying that Thomas isn't getting enough minutes now than your in for some disappointment now that Brown is out. I like Thomas but unless that team blows it up and starts over like they should of last year than he wont be getting anymore PT.

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    • #32
      Re: Larry Brown 'stepping down' as head coach of the Bobcats

      Originally posted by grace View Post
      That's the only time I've ever heard of anyone believing it.
      I should clarify that Dan was speaking as though he knows something about it, not just that he was believing something he was told.

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      • #33
        Re: Larry Brown 'stepping down' as head coach of the Bobcats

        Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
        Why can't we be this lucky?
        Luck? You call forcing a hall of fame coach out and allowing a bunch of players who have given up to stay on the floor - luck? I'll stay away from that luck.

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        • #34
          Re: Larry Brown 'stepping down' as head coach of the Bobcats

          larry would be a nice coach for the pacers if they were farther along in the rebuilding process. but no sure he is the guy for a young team. especially one with two young PG's. larry is very tough on PG's and i can see both darren and AJ having trouble doing the things larry wants to do.

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          • #35
            Re: Larry Brown 'stepping down' as head coach of the Bobcats

            I put this in the random thoughts thread, but it fits better here.

            Let me preface this by saying I think Larry Brown is the best basketball coach on the planet, #1. IMO.

            However, he has to managed cuz he's crazy when it comes to drafting, player tolerance, anything to do with anything other than on court basketball related coaching.

            Also, he has a 3 year shelf life.

            So you need a strong GM who can tell Larry to get out of his office without souring him on the existing players so much that he can't coach them. (IE get out of my office, i'm not trading Reggie and Mark Jackson for Vernon Maxwell, but you still need to coach the existing team without being passive-aggressive about it)

            I think most GMs would be 1) incapable of this 2) unwilling to do this.

            At this point, at 70, I'm not sure he's worth the time, effort, and risk for anyone, honestly.

            Even at its best it was high risk, high reward. However, he's that 5% I always talk about for NBA coaches that are complete difference makers. I think he's a 10 game difference, IF you do all of those things to placate him.

            I wouldn't even entertain it, if I was the Pacers, doesn't make sense.

            If they did though, Best Case, I have no doubt he'd make a 10 game difference in year one. You'd have to have a bailout/exit strategy when he imploded in year 3, if not sooner.

            Worse case, you listen to him personnell wise and you gut your team and you start all over again.

            It's really just not worth it.

            On a side note, I give Larry Brown credit for the beginning of the 90s great Pacers teams when he coached, but also the following Larry Bird coached teams. What I mean is if Brown didn't coach up the early 90s group, the Bird late 90s group would have never happened. He has that lingering impact.

            This is mainly why I think it sucks he got fired because I bet Charlotte goes on a big run now that he's gone, and part of it will be the product of what he taught them about "playing the right way".

            Just my opinion of course.
            Last edited by Speed; 12-23-2010, 12:45 PM.

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            • #36
              Re: Larry Brown 'stepping down' as head coach of the Bobcats

              article from yahoo sports

              Adrian Wojnarowski

              http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slu...tsjordan122310

              For all of Michael Jordan’s draft failures as an NBA executive, the Charlotte Bobcats owner had the right idea on that June night in 2008. Stanford’s Brook Lopez(notes) had slipped to ninth, and Jordan and his top basketball executives prepared to select him. So sure of the choice, one team official called Lopez’s agents and told them to prepare the 7-footer for the walk to the podium. Michael Jordan had his man.

              Only, Larry Brown wouldn’t stop his protesting in the draft room. For some reason – who knows, because Brown didn’t scout these players – the coach wanted to take D.J. Augustin(notes), a small point guard over a skilled 7-footer. He didn’t want Raymond Felton(notes), Brown bellowed. Finally, Jordan relented. The Bobcats notified the league they were taking Augustin and left Lopez stunned when the commissioner didn’t call his name.


              Less than three years later, Jordan could’ve had a rising Eastern Conference power with Lopez and Felton. He could’ve had a contender. Now, the Bobcats are back on the brink of irrelevancy, and the owner has no one to blame but himself. He fired his Carolina Tar Heel savior on Wednesday, ultimately tiring of Brown’s belligerence the way everyone else did in his previous several jobs. Brown relentlessly ripped the roster of these 9-19 Bobcats, endlessly debated his desire to stay on the job, and never won a playoff game.

              Jordan has poured his own money into these Bobcats, immersed himself deeper into the day-to-day duties, and his tolerance for losing has never been lower. How low? Jordan didn’t just fire Brown and his coaching staff on Wednesday, he fired Brown and his Tar Heel coaching staff. For now, Jordan will go with Paul Silas, an old-school tough guy and popular figure in Charlotte’s NBA history, to coach the rest of the season.

              Silas is a long way removed from the NBA – and longer from his late 1990s success in Charlotte. And if bringing back Silas isn’t retro enough for everyone, how about Silas’ old Hornets point guard, Baron Davis(notes)? Jordan is considering a trade proposal that would send Augustin, DeSagana Diop(notes) and Matt Carroll(notes) to the Los Angeles Clippers for Davis, a league source told Yahoo! Sports.

              The Clippers have desperately tried to trade Davis and have included him in proposals with center Chris Kaman(notes), league executives told Yahoo! Sports. Brown could’ve never coached Davis, but Silas allows a different freedom for his players. Whatever moves Jordan makes now, he can’t tear these Bobcats apart and start over again. No way can Jordan sell this market on another cost-cutting revamping of the franchise.

              When Jordan purchased the majority share of the Bobcats, he promised to be visible in the market. He promised to be accessible, to use his stature to sell the franchise in a market that had long ago felt burned and betrayed by the despicable George Shinn and the cheap Robert Johnson. Incompetence reigned forever here, and Jordan ceded more authority to Brown than he had with a coach. They fought over everything, including Brown’s desire over the summer to get out his contract and coach elsewhere.

              Now, Silas comes back to the bench, and one of the owner’s old buddies, Charles Oakley, is expected to join him, two league sources said. This coaching staff won’t win all of its games, but it won’t lose any fights. On his way out, Brown gave Jordan this advice, a source said: Make sure you hire coaches that are your friends, because it won’t work anyway else with you. Oakley was telling friends on Wednesday that he planned to toughen up that Charlotte frontline, and no doubt that’s what Jordan wants out of him.

              In the end, this is Michael Jordan’s money sinking into the Bobcats, his post-playing legacy on the line. Still, nothing’s gone right for him. Two-and-a-half years ago, Larry Brown had nowhere to go, and Jordan had no one to hire. They tried one of those Carolina reunions with the blessing of their beloved coach, Dean Smith, but they were too stubborn, too sure of themselves, to ever work together. From Kwame Brown(notes) to Adam Morrison(notes), from Washington to Charlotte, Jordan never gets the important draft picks right. And when his scouts and instincts told him to take the 7-footer less than three years ago, his coach kept yapping until he changed his mind and took the tiny point guard.

              Yes, Jordan tried to recapture his old Carolina Tar Heel roots to make these Bobcats matter again, and that all ended on Wednesday. Now, he goes back to Charlotte’s NBA roots with Silas and perhaps even Davis. However it ends up, these Bobcats belong to Jordan and there’s no one else to blame. He always wanted control, wanted the ball in his hands and everything on the line.

              His mess, again.
              Oakley as an assistant should be fun to watch. I grew up hating him from the NYK battles, but I miss players like him.

              That is some draft story. Is it me or are behind the scenes draft stories always good?
              Last edited by focused444; 12-23-2010, 12:47 PM.

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              • #37
                Re: Larry Brown 'stepping down' as head coach of the Bobcats

                Originally posted by Speed View Post
                Let me preface this by saying I think Larry Brown is the best basketball on the planet, #1. IMO.
                I think you have to have Spalding in that conversation.
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                • #38
                  Re: Larry Brown 'stepping down' as head coach of the Bobcats

                  It is obvious that Brown was fired. here are a couple of good articles

                  http://www.charlotteobserver.com/201...rown-out.html#

                  http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_nba/

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                  • #39
                    Re: Larry Brown 'stepping down' as head coach of the Bobcats

                    All I want for Christmas is for Larry to fire Jim and hire Larry.

                    Now is the time to do it. He would be great for our team. Not only that, I think he would really WANT to coach this team. This team has ALOT of upside and he can make them into a 50 win team within a year. He is available and Jim is on his last year (hopefully). We should hire the best while we can.

                    It's not going to happen, but it should.

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                    • #40
                      Re: Larry Brown 'stepping down' as head coach of the Bobcats

                      lets see they've had bernie bickerstaff, sam vincent, larry brown and now paul silas

                      they should stop trying to find legendary coaches to coach this pathetic team

                      michael jordan should quit too
                      In 49 states it's just basketball, but this is Indiana!

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                      • #41
                        Re: Larry Brown 'stepping down' as head coach of the Bobcats

                        I jfust can't liet it stay wit way

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