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Darren Collison and his coach are both confused (Ball don't lie)

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    Darren Collison and his coach are both confused (Ball don't lie)

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/bal...urn=nba-295396

    This is just your weekly reminder to always, always question coaches. Question GMs, commissioners, writers, and pundits as well. Bring it on. But also don't be afraid to question coaches. Even if they're manning a team that might be overachieving. Always, always question coaches. They may own the 30 toughest jobs in the NBA, but you can always find a coach to question.

    Like, possibly, Jim O'Brien, head coach of your Indiana Pacers.

    Obie has done fine work in turning these Pacers into a top-gear defensive outfit, and the squad could be well on its way to a playoff berth (after what would be a five-year drought by this spring), but he's also been rather curious with his rotation work. Especially with second-year point man Darren Collison(notes), whose addition was supposed to put the Pacers over the top.

    Here's the lowdown, via the Indianapolis Star's spot-on beat man Mike Wells:

    Pacers coach Jim O'Brien has added in some theatrics by using a few unconventional rotations. Collison has sat in the fourth quarter at times while Ford played in crunch time, which has frustrated him.

    Friday night in Atlanta, he sat the entire fourth quarter in favor of [A.J.] Price, which really hurt, Collison said.

    "I don't know why I didn't play," said Collison, who has started all 19 games he's appeared in.

    "I'm not going to lie, it's been tough. Right now, I'm not used to it. It is what it is."

    O'Brien liked what Price could bring to the Pacers, so he got his shot.

    "I thought our best chance of coming back was with A.J. in the game because he spaces the court, he shoots the 3 and he also needed playing time," O'Brien said. "I also think he did a nice job."
    A.J. Price(notes), it should be noted, does shoot the three. He doesn't make the three that often, but he does shoot it.

    Price entered the Hawks game shooting 33 percent from long range this year, which is below average, but passable to the extent that a 3-9 mark on the season will allow. But he also missed all three of his attempts during the fourth quarter in question (you can do the math beyond that), along with missing four-of-five attempts from the field during the turn. He did dish three assists, as the Pacers outscored the Hawks by a point.

    Darren Collison, who is quite good, is shooting over 41 percent from long range on the season. And while he joins myself, TV's Ryan Howard, and Eddie Van Halen in the unfortunate club full of people who have used the semi-phrase "it is what it is," this is a guy who should be playing ahead of A.J. Price. I like Price's effort, as does Obie, but there are a whole lot of guys who should be playing in front of A.J. Price.

    Now the "needed playing time" part? Yes, that works. Price had played just once (a 3 1/2-minute stint in a blowout win over Toronto) since Nov. 20. This is still a legitimate concern for Pacer fans, though. Collison isn't getting the sort of playing time that his talents would suggest, and while the UCLA product isn't turning this into a soap opera (that's our job), Jim O'Brien would be wise to not hamstring himself in this regard.

    He'd also be wise to look at those box scores that are free for everyone to look at following the game before commenting on a particular player's shooting aptitude. Otherwise, Obie? Bang-up job, my man.

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    I'm actually somewhat suprised that no one ever saw this. I'd like to preface my opinion on this topic by stating that I have been a Pacer fan since Dale Davis was drafted. I have a love for tough players that foul hard, play good defense, and set good picks that it's almost frightening. He started that. That is why I love Tyler, Posey (even though he has his shortcomings), and Josh. However, I do believe that we need big time upgrades at this position. I looked around here in 08-09 season and ditched the 09-10 season early, then I came back this season with the urge to share some of my opinions.

    This articles "theme" is my complete opinion on our coach. He gets our players to play very hard, and especially on defense. However, he doesn't understand stability in rotations and he is simply too hard on younger players- talented or not.

    I did, however, understand this benching of Darren Collison in this game his team or not. Darren is simply not going to be very impressive until he has a power forward that he can both run a pick 'n roll and more importantly pick 'n pop with. The few times that you have seen him and a lackluster big (as in a pnr or pnp, not neccessarily a post up or putback guy like Roy and Josh) execute a high pick 'n pop you will understand where I am coming from. David West, who coincidentally played with Collison, Carlos Boozer, or Zach Randolph would be absolutely perfect for Darren Collison. So I believe that Darren won't be effective until he has the ball in his hands more, and he has a big that can both score on the pick 'n roll and pick 'n pop.

    Since we don't have any of those players, Darren isn't going to be too effective. In the Atlanta game, he was having a very poor game. Thus the reason that AJ came in.
    Last edited by hoops_guy; 12-19-2010, 12:20 AM.
    We need better than solid. No JJ Redicks, Andray Blatche, Mike Dunleavy type guys to have big roles on our team.
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    Re: Darren Collison and his coach are both confused (Ball don't lie)

    Its No Secret, We All Know Whats Up. We Gotta Get OB Outta Here and We Also Gotta Upgrade The PF and SG Spots. I Wouldn't Want Bird To Do Anything Stupid That Would Hamper Us In The Long Run But I Just Wish Their Was More Of A Sign Of Urgency To Make Something Happen.

    Great Post BTW.

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    • #3
      Re: Darren Collison and his coach are both confused (Ball don't lie)

      Yea, I saw this. I think for the most part most articles have been pretty uninformed.

      Price did not come in, in the fourth quarter in a close game. He came in the game during a blowout, and helped make the game into a close game. Why would JOB have taken him out in favor of a guy who played terrible?

      Now, JOB has taken out Collison when Collison is playing well..and I do have a problem with that. If Darren's playing well, we gave the "keys to the car" to Darren this season (right now..that doesn't change unless he's not the starter) so if he's playing well, he should play. But if he's not, and Ford is out playing him (Like, truly outplaying him. Not "in Obie's eyes" outplaying him.) I don't have a problem with TJ finishing out the game. But that hasn't been what's happening.

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      • #4
        Re: Darren Collison and his coach are both confused (Ball don't lie)

        Originally posted by LA_Confidential View Post
        Its No Secret, We All Know Whats Up. We Gotta Get OB Outta Here and We Also Gotta Upgrade The PF and SG Spots. I Wouldn't Want Bird To Do Anything Stupid That Would Hamper Us In The Long Run But I Just Wish Their Was More Of A Sign Of Urgency To Make Something Happen.

        Great Post BTW.
        Completely OT---but why do you capitalize the first letter of every word???

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          Re: Darren Collison and his coach are both confused (Ball don't lie)

          Originally posted by LA_Confidential View Post
          Its No Secret, We All Know Whats Up. We Gotta Get OB Outta Here and We Also Gotta Upgrade The PF and SG Spots. I Wouldn't Want Bird To Do Anything Stupid That Would Hamper Us In The Long Run But I Just Wish Their Was More Of A Sign Of Urgency To Make Something Happen.

          Great Post BTW.

          LOL..Do you always capitalize every beginning letter to every word you type?


          Originally posted by cdash View Post
          Completely OT---but why do you capitalize the first letter of every word???
          Sorry.. just seen your post after I made mine..

          Anyways L.A. ...

          Graham Arnatsi's computer locked up on him, so he called me to see if I could ask you "What's up with that?"


          hehe



          I jest ..... I jest .....



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          Last edited by Kemo; 12-19-2010, 02:25 AM.
          "Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end."

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            Re: Darren Collison and his coach are both confused (Ball don't lie)

            Originally posted by cdash View Post
            Completely OT---but why do you capitalize the first letter of every word???
            My Statement Wasn't Meant To Be On Topic. We All Know What Needs To Happen. I'm Tired Of Everything That Is Jim O'Brien Related. Period.
            Originally posted by Kemo View Post
            LOL..Do you always capitalize every beginning letter to every word you type?




            Sorry.. just seen your post after I made mine..

            Anyways L.A. ...

            Graham Arnatsi's computer locked up on him, so he called me to see if I could ask you "What's up with that?"


            hehe



            I jest ..... I jest .....



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            To Answer You Both, Yes I Cap My First Letter When Typing And When Writing Unless Punctuation Is Necessary. My Grammar Is Always Correct and My Sentences Are Always Formed Perfectly So I Really Don't See A Negative With My Posts. This Is A Fan Forum, We All Have Our Own Little Niche. This Is Mine.

            AT LEAST I DON'T TYPE LIKE THIS.

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            • #7
              Re: Darren Collison and his coach are both confused (Ball don't lie)

              I wasn't criticizing, I just noticed you posted like that and didn't know what the reason behind it was. I'm all for niches and individuality, so more power to you.

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              • #8
                Re: Darren Collison and his coach are both confused (Ball don't lie)

                Originally posted by cdash View Post
                I wasn't criticizing, I just noticed you posted like that and didn't know what the reason behind it was. I'm all for niches and individuality, so more power to you.
                No Offense Taken But Sometimes I Do Come Across A Little Blunt, So No Offense.

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                • #9
                  Re: Darren Collison and his coach are both confused (Ball don't lie)

                  Originally posted by LA_Confidential View Post
                  No Offense Taken But Sometimes I Do Come Across A Little Blunt, So No Offense.


                  None taken. It's difficult to gauge such things on messageboards.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Darren Collison and his coach are both confused (Ball don't lie)

                    Mike wells, this guys source, is a douche.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Darren Collison and his coach are both confused (Ball don't lie)

                      Originally posted by cdash View Post


                      None taken. It's difficult to gauge such things on messageboards.
                      Not Really. Some People Can Be Real Douchers.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Darren Collison and his coach are both confused (Ball don't lie)

                        Originally posted by spazzxb View Post
                        Mike wells, this guys source, is a douche.
                        Sick Avatar. Scared Me At Fist Though.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Darren Collison and his coach are both confused (Ball don't lie)

                          Is it just me but does the coach find a way to get the phrase "spaces the floor/court" into every interview?
                          I'm not perfect and neither are you.

                          Romans 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the esteem of Elohim,
                          Ephisians 4: 32 And be kind towards one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as Elohim also forgave you in Messiah.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Darren Collison and his coach are both confused (Ball don't lie)

                            Originally posted by spazzxb View Post
                            Mike wells, this guys source, is a douche.
                            Have you ever met Mike Wells, to form this opinion? I'm betting you haven't, because Wells is a pretty nice guy.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Darren Collison and his coach are both confused (Ball don't lie)

                              Yeah, but being a nice guy doesn't make up for a lack of a basketball IQ.

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