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  • Foul on Smits
    Member
    • Jun 2010
    • 5436

    Collison still confused by point guard rotation



    CHICAGO -- There wasn't supposed to be any drama at the point guard position, not after the Indiana Pacers traded for Darren Collison during the summer.

    Collison, a star in the making, was supposed to be the starter, with veteran T.J. Ford backing him up and second-year man A.J. Price getting sporadic minutes, as needed.

    It hasn't played out that way the first seven weeks of the season.

    Pacers coach Jim O'Brien has added in some theatrics by using a few unconventional rotations. Collison has sat in the fourth quarter at times while Ford played in crunch time, which has frustrated him.

    Friday night in Atlanta, he sat the entire fourth quarter in favor of Price, which really hurt, Collison said.

    "I don't know why I didn't play," said Collison, who has started all 19 games he's appeared in.

    "I'm not going to lie, it's been tough. Right now, I'm not used to it. It is what it is."

    O'Brien liked what Price could bring to the Pacers, so he got his shot.

    "I thought our best chance of coming back was with A.J. in the game because he spaces the court, he shoots the 3 and he also needed playing time," O'Brien said. "I also think he did a nice job."

    O'Brien has sat Collison in the past because he prefers Ford's experience. Collison's problem is that he's still having a difficult time running the offense and playing the type of aggressive defense O'Brien wants.

    Collison is averaging 13.5 points and 4.2 assists in more than 28 minutes a game.

    "It's real tough, but I guess you have to control things when you're in the game," Collison said. "When you're not in the game, you just have to stay in tuned and try to help other guys."

    For Price, Saturday was an opportunity to show he can be an effective player when given an opportunity. He had three points, three assists and two steals in 10 minutes against the Hawks.

    "Coach just told me to be ready," Price said. "I'm always ready to play."

    Price was on the court when the Pacers cut Atlanta's 16-point fourth quarter lead down to seven twice.

    "It's coach's decision on who plays," Ford said. "A.J. did a good job. I know my role, I know my situation. I'm cool with anything that happens."

    Saturday was just the fifth appearance of the season for Price, who had an impressive rookie season last year.

    "It's been tough, but like I've been saying since the beginning of the season, it's all about being professional," he said. "I just come in with the right mentality and stay ready and be out there and produce when he does call my number."
    This is twice now. It's happened with Ford and now Collison is having trouble. What's the problem here? Difficult system? Difficult coach? Difficult player? Is O'Brien not teaching his sytem good enough? It's just my opinion but it seems, to me, that the lack of consistency with the Pacers lineup is reflective of the Pacers win/loss record. Too much time playing the matchup game instead of playing our best players and forcing other teams to matchup with the Pacers.
    Last edited by Unclebuck; 12-13-2010, 10:21 AM.
  • vnzla81
    Member
    • Jul 2008
    • 68282

    #2
    Re: Probably not a good idea to **** off our point guard of the future

    No big deal, we just need to wait three more years for DC to learn the system
    @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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    • NapTonius Monk
      The Enforcer
      • Jan 2007
      • 5109

      #3
      Re: Probably not a good idea to **** off our point guard of the future

      Not good.

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      • sportfireman
        Member
        • Jul 2009
        • 1533

        #4
        Re: Probably not a good idea to **** off our point guard of the future

        The problem is the coach!!!! I've said before Collison was having an allstar season as a ROOKIE before the Pacers and their coach. Now he can't average 5 assist.
        I'm not perfect and neither are you.

        Romans 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the esteem of Elohim,
        Ephisians 4: 32 And be kind towards one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as Elohim also forgave you in Messiah.

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        • D-BONE
          Peace Dog
          • Feb 2006
          • 15653

          #5
          Re: Probably not a good idea to **** off our point guard of the future

          Then coach is going to have to go or Collison is going to have adjust to the system if you want any satisfaction. Within his system/expectations, I don't disagree with JOB. Collison has not been that good. Mediocre. Careless handles and inconsistent defensive effort.
          I'd rather die standing up than live on my knees.

          -Emiliano Zapata

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          • ballism
            Over the pond
            • Oct 2010
            • 2427

            #6
            Re: Probably not a good idea to **** off our point guard of the future

            Well I can't say I blame him, allthough I'm a bit dissappointed that he feels that way. I think it would be much healthier for him if he had AJ's attitude. We are strongly running for the playoffs, we are likely better than your last year's team, you are new, you are starting and getting good minutes. Relax and do your best to fit in for now.

            I'd hate him to lose his confidence and spirit because of this.
            Last edited by ballism; 12-13-2010, 08:42 AM.

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            • BringJackBack
              Member
              • Jun 2010
              • 8584

              #7
              Re: Probably not a good idea to **** off our point guard of the future

              Why is he acting like he's some big-time established player? He's a second year player. His time will come.

              I would have played AJ at the end there too. He wasn't letting friggin' Jeff Teague go off on him.

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              • McKeyFan
                Intuition over Integers
                • Jan 2004
                • 15105

                #8
                Re: Probably not a good idea to **** off our point guard of the future

                Ain't it strange?

                We get down 20 and are playing a team that is overwhelming us. What does JOB do? He puts in AJ Price.

                If AJ is that big of a secret weapon, why doesn't he play on a regular basis?

                "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference

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                • Trophy
                  Member
                  • Mar 2009
                  • 8557

                  #9
                  Re: Probably not a good idea to **** off our point guard of the future

                  DC hasn't been terrible and is honestly the best PG we've had here in a while. He's had a huge impact on our success this season.

                  I'm not worried about him getting less time.

                  DC will improve and be a better PG for the future and guide the offense a little bit more and assist more.

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                  • DrFife
                    Member
                    • May 2008
                    • 2373

                    #10
                    Re: Probably not a good idea to **** off our point guard of the future

                    Sookie and other AJ lovers,

                    Have you heard/read anything about Price's physical condition this season? Based on reports from other athletes who have gone through rehabilitation, many of us speculated that last year Price was maybe 85-90% healthy and that this would be the year for him to show himself at (near? above??) 100%. I wonder about any recent news to that effect.

                    (How cool if AJ were to reveal that he, in fact, is even better than what we were hoping Collison would be!)


                    "He’s no shrinking violet when it comes to that kind of stuff."

                    - Rick Carlisle on how Kevin Pritchard responds to needed roster changes.

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                    • PacerHound
                      Member
                      • Oct 2010
                      • 228

                      #11
                      Re: Probably not a good idea to **** off our point guard of the future

                      Originally posted by vnzla81
                      No big deal, we just need to wait three more years for DC to learn the system

                      Yeah, him and Hansbrough who will be 28 by then. Must take a Ph.D. to get it down. Red Auerbach said in the Feinstein book "Let Me Tell You a Story" that coaches over coach. I think he had a point. You see it even at the high school level today.

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                      • DaveP63
                        Member
                        • Nov 2009
                        • 1237

                        #12
                        Re: Probably not a good idea to **** off our point guard of the future

                        If I hear the term "stretch the floor" one more time...
                        http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-tr...nce-stephenson
                        "But, first, let us now praise famous moments, because something happened Tuesday night in Indianapolis that you can watch a lifetime’s worth of professional basketball and never see again. There was a brief, and very decisive, and altogether unprecedented, outburst of genuine officiating, and it was directed at the best player in the world, and that, my dear young person, simply is not done."

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                        • MTM
                          Member
                          • Oct 2010
                          • 732

                          #13
                          Re: Probably not a good idea to **** off our point guard of the future

                          I am as ready as most of you for a change at the coaching position.

                          That said, DC wants to be the team leader, and I want to see him get there. If so, then he needs to keep his mouth shut to the media on these types of things, get better on defense, and make it obvious that he should be playing instead of anyone else. Right now it's not that obvious.

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                          • NapTonius Monk
                            The Enforcer
                            • Jan 2007
                            • 5109

                            #14
                            Re: Probably not a good idea to **** off our point guard of the future

                            Originally posted by DrFife
                            (How cool if AJ were to reveal that he, in fact, is even better than what we were hoping Collison would be!)
                            That would be a great 'problem' to have. The Price/Collison tandem is the future. I'd like a heavier dose of those 2.

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                            • Unclebuck
                              Administrator
                              • Jan 2004
                              • 36200

                              #15
                              Re: Probably not a good idea to **** off our point guard of the future

                              I want to post this before I read any of the posts in this thread.

                              I think Collison should start and play around 32-34 minutes a game and price should get the oother available minutes. I've seen a few glimpes of better defense from him - but he needs to do it more often

                              Of course if you trail by 20 points heading into the 4th quarter all bets are off.

                              OK, let me read the other posts in this thread

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