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    http://www.indystar.com/article/2010...sees-from-team

    SACRAMENTO, Calif. -- It wasn't on the level of energetic Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban, but Indiana Pacers owner Herb Simon emerged from the locker room Sunday night pumping his fist and sporting a smile that could have lit the Staples Center.

    "That was a real good game," Simon said after the Pacers beat the Los Angeles Lakers 95-92. "We're coming along real well. I like the buzz we're getting."

    The Pacers, so often a pushover in recent seasons, are sending a message that those days are done.

    The Lakers became the latest team to receive it.

    Lakers guard Kobe Bryant, who needed 33 shots to score 41 points, said the Pacers will be a playoff team this season.

    The victory over the Lakers followed a win last week at Miami, another presumed title contender.

    "I like the way people are talking about us and I like the way we're playing," Simon said Monday. "We beat some of the best teams and we lost a few that we should have won. I'm getting more and more optimistic."

    The Pacers will try to make it four wins in five games tonight when they play at Sacramento in stop two of a rugged four-game Western swing.

    This is supposed to the final year of a rebuilding phase for the Pacers. They were supposed to turn the corner next season after using abundant salary cap space to acquire players next summer.

    The timetable may have hastened.

    The Pacers have been competitive in every game besides a 26-point loss to the Philadelphia 76ers.

    They had eight losses of at least 10 points through the first 15 games last season. They have only three such losses this season.

    "We expect to be in the playoffs every year, but this year we're expecting it a little bit more," Simon said. "Yes, we think we're doing everything we can to be in the playoffs."

    Point guard T.J. Ford said last week the players are finally buying into coach Jim O'Brien's system. Team chemistry is also better. Players are doing a good job policing themselves in the locker room and making a commitment to have everybody on the same page.

    "We've got good chemistry," Pacers president Larry Bird said. "No matter if they have a good game or a bad game, they come back in and have a good practice the next day. Right now everything is pretty good."

    The biggest difference has been on the defense. The Pacers shot 17 percent on 3-pointers, an ominous sign in the past, against the Lakers. They made up for it by holding the Lakers to 38.6 percent shooting.

    The Pacers are second in the league in field goal percentage defense at 42.8.

    "I think one of the reasons they're better (on defense) is because Roy (Hibbert) is staying out of foul trouble," Bird said. "James Posey has a lot to do with it, too. He's brought a defensive mentality here. He talks to players, he's engaged in it and his work carries over to everybody else."

    Bird and Simon aren't kidding themselves. They know there will be ups and downs. The Pacers have lost some games at home they expected to win.

    "We played some good games and we've played some bad ones," Bird said. "The only thing that irritates me is some of the losses we've had at home, but overall they're improving.

    "I've got a good feeling about this team."

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    Re: Bird and Simon are liking what they're seeing

    If Simon is that happy with the team, that bodes very well for Larry Legend.

    What I especially like to see is the last two lines from Bird. He feels good about this team, but he's still irritated and knows we have to improve. So, the show ain't over yet, folks.

    --pizza
    It's a new day for Pacers Basketball.

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      Re: Bird and Simon are liking what they're seeing

      Good comment from Bird on Posey. What a great trade that's turned out to be so far.

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        Re: Bird and Simon are liking what they're seeing

        just hold off on the "JOB extension talk until after July 1"

        Then evaluate the entire body of work
        Sittin on top of the world!

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          Re: Bird and Simon are liking what they're seeing

          Ok.

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            Re: Bird and Simon are liking what they're seeing

            Originally posted by imawhat View Post
            Good comment from Bird on Posey. What a great trade that's turned out to be so far.
            I completely agree. And it's not just what he does on the court, it's just the mentality he has brought to the team and he is willing to teach it. The only time Miami and Boston have had championships in recent times is when Posey was there. I'm starting to believe that may be less of a coincidence. The guy brings a hard nosed game to the court, willing to take the charge. "Hey young fella, wanna get a ring like these two I have? Play defense like this.."

            I'm eating my crow on Posey. While sometimes I may disagree about him playing over Hansbrough in certain situations, his veteran leadership may be the missing piece to the puzzle. If we would re-sign him on a two year veteran minimum deal I don't see how we pass it up at this point.

            Some may argue that he is just playing for a contract and his life in the NBA, but it seems to me he has embraced this team and they've embraced him...Defense win championships...

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              Re: Bird and Simon are liking what they're seeing

              Originally posted by 90'sNBARocked View Post
              just hold off on the "JOB extension talk until after July 1"

              Then evaluate the entire body of work
              Bob Hill - 3 straight playoffs

              Isiah - 3 straight playoffs

              There is "winning" and then there is making the most of the roster you have. I'll take a coaching change for a run at the ECF and 60 wins the very next year if you don't mind.


              Remember that some of the biggest factors this year are not using Troy, using Josh drastically more, giving Rush plenty of PT with actual support (to the press at least), moving TJ to the bench and not for Watson but for an actual young talent of the future...

              all of which could/should have been done last year.

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                Re: Bird and Simon are liking what they're seeing

                BTW, the Pacers in the playoffs means Bird retires after the season. 100% IMO.

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                  Re: Bird and Simon are liking what they're seeing

                  Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post
                  Bob Hill - 3 straight playoffs

                  Isiah - 3 straight playoffs

                  There is "winning" and then there is making the most of the roster you have. I'll take a coaching change for a run at the ECF and 60 wins the very next year if you don't mind.


                  Remember that some of the biggest factors this year are not using Troy, using Josh drastically more, giving Rush plenty of PT with actual support (to the press at least), moving TJ to the bench and not for Watson but for an actual young talent of the future...

                  all of which could/should have been done last year.
                  Gimme a break. Josh wasn't ready. Brandon was inconsistant as hell, and TJ is playing just fine.
                  Someone ELSE could say "remember that some of the biggest factors this year are Roy's continued improvement, Danny's renewed interest in defense, Brandons growth and increased confidence, the aquisition of Darren Collison, the reemergence of Mike Dunleavy, the help from Solomon Jones, etc etc etc

                  Just put "I think OB sucks" for everything, you'll save time.

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                    Re: Bird and Simon are liking what they're seeing

                    Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post
                    BTW, the Pacers in the playoffs means Bird retires after the season. 100% IMO.
                    Why do you think that??

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                      Re: Bird and Simon are liking what they're seeing

                      Originally posted by MLB007 View Post
                      Gimme a break. Josh wasn't ready. Brandon was inconsistant as hell, and TJ is playing just fine.
                      Someone ELSE could say "remember that some of the biggest factors this year are Roy's continued improvement, Danny's renewed interest in defense, Brandons growth and increased confidence, the aquisition of Darren Collison, the reemergence of Mike Dunleavy, the help from Solomon Jones, etc etc etc
                      I agree 100%

                      Players change, improve, get healthy, age, get into great condition......from one year to the next.

                      Roy is a completely different player and even if he had played 44 minutes every game last season he still wouldn't have played anywhere nearly as well as he is now. He changed over the summer.

                      Granger is healthy, more confident, committed to defense.........I could continue to discuss the other players and their improvements........ But I disagree with the notion that all of this could have been done last season if only Jim would have realized how wrong he was.
                      Last edited by Unclebuck; 12-03-2010, 09:14 AM.

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                        Re: Bird and Simon are liking what they're seeing

                        It is not all Obrien one way or the other. Some things he could do better and others he has done an excellent job. Some of the things that make us shake our heads may have been planned and enacted for reasons we do not have access to.
                        {o,o}
                        |)__)
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                          "Bird and Simon are liking what they're seeing"

                          @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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                            Re: Bird and Simon are liking what they're seeing

                            Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post
                            BTW, the Pacers in the playoffs means Bird retires after the season. 100% IMO.
                            I'll take that bet. Pie?
                            BillS

                            A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
                            Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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                              Re: Bird and Simon are liking what they're seeing

                              Originally posted by MLB007 View Post
                              Gimme a break. Josh wasn't ready. Brandon was inconsistant as hell, and TJ is playing just fine.
                              Someone ELSE could say "remember that some of the biggest factors this year are Roy's continued improvement, Danny's renewed interest in defense, Brandons growth and increased confidence, the aquisition of Darren Collison, the reemergence of Mike Dunleavy, the help from Solomon Jones, etc etc etc

                              Just put "I think OB sucks" for everything, you'll save time.
                              Josh was ready. Many just didn't see it.

                              As for the factors, there are several...but 75% of it was sending Troy Murphy to New Jersey and adding Collison. That combination is bigger than Hibbert's development. Danny's renewed interest in defense is a byproduct of Murphy not being on the floor...and Posey being there instead. Leadership. It matters.

                              As for Hibbert, he averaged similar numbers last year when Troy Murphy rode the pine...during the infamous 5 game winning streak. Exactly the same stats for boards...9.2 per game. Some of this could have been going on last year. Not this good....but half as good.

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