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Pacers.com: Positive vibe emanating from camp this year (story and video)

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    Positive vibe emanating from camp this year

    One week of camp is hardly the time to start drawing conclusions about a team, at least in terms of its prospects for the season, but there has been one particularly strong impression: the vibe is much, much better -- in fact, it's been as positive as I can remember.

    I'm not sure if that's due to the good health, the fresh infusion of young, upbeat personalities like Darren Collison and Paul George, or the continued emergence of Roy Hibbert as a leadership force on and off the court – probably a combination of all of the above – but this has been a noticeably more angst-free camp.

    With everyone able to practice ever day thus far, Jim O'Brien and his staff have been able to move forward with installation, preparation and evaluation in a relatively seamless manner.

    "It's very important to have everybody ready to go and healthy to go full-out," O'Brien said. "It's absolutely an important ingredient because you don't know what you have till you see everybody together. The other thing is they're not only healthy, they're pretty advanced from a conditioning standpoint."

    The lone asterisk has been Tyler Hansbrough, who participated in practices but not the five-on-five scrimmages. He should begin scrimmaging this week.

    "I'm hoping this will be the last day he won't go (five on five)," O'Brien said Saturday. "He's behind coming in because he didn't have training camp last year and missed most of the season and the more times he misses five-on-five the further behind he gets. There's no sugar-coating it. He'll begin to catch up once he's able to go in very drill that we do."

    Of course, now someone will tweak an ankle and you know who'll get the blame for being the jinx.

    Rave reviews for rookie class

    First-round pick Paul George has quietly had a very strong camp thus far, earning high praise from O'Brien for his hustle at both ends of the court. He has been at or near the top of the team in the all-important "hustle stats" categories – deflections, steals, offensive rebounds et al – since camp opened.

    But he hasn't been the only eye-opener. Lance Stephenson, while very much a work in progress on defense, has been very strong offensively. And Magnum Rolle shook off a slow start to become much more active and aggressive at both ends.

    "Sometime this year we're going to look back on this and people are going to realize this is the rookie class that started to really turn this thing around," said O'Brien. "All three guys are going to be long-term Pacers and play many, many minutes for us. How soon that happens remains to be seen but we're very pleased with where all three guys are right now."

    See how it says ALL 3... that's what i wanted to hear. Alot of people have been speculating whether Stephenson would be traded, or dropped by the pacers, which I think would have been an awful idea. Look, i know Stephenson has had problems..but we have to keep in mind, he's only 20. Actually just turned twenty a month ago, so the recent problem he had was when he was 19. There's still no reason for domestic violence, "alleged" domestic violence..but the Pacers did a great job of getting him the much needed help ASAP. No doubt Bird and others gave him an earful about this, Im sure they told him EVERY little thing he does now that he's an NBA player will be under a massive microscope, so he needs to act like a true professional. I have faith that he will mature, considering all he's wanted to do his whole life is to get to the NBA level, so i'm fairly sure he'll get his act together. There is so much upside to this guys talent/playing ability it's ridiculous.

    http://www.nba.com/pacers/video/2010...993/index.html


    Conrad Brunner
    Pacers.com




    In that video, you see interviews with JOB, Magnum, Lance, and Paul..at around the 1:00 part you see Stephenson taking a jumper, THAT stroke. He could possibly be an all-star player. He can just flat out ball. What's your guys opinion on this? Like Lance, don't like him? Want him to stay? Leave?

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    Pacers.com: Positive vibe emanating from camp this year (story and video)

    http://www.nba.com/pacers/news/web_101004.html

    He notes that Tyler is expected to start playing 5 on 5 (scrimmages) this week. I'm assuming that means starting today or tomorrow, as they didn't practice yesterday.

    Good stuff with the rookies.

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      Re: Pacers.com: Positive vibe emanating from camp this year (story and video)

      Do Obie's comments about these guys being long term Pacers mean Lance is safe regardless of what happens at his court date?


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        Re: Pacers.com: Positive vibe emanating from camp this year (story and video)

        Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
        Do Obie's comments about these guys being long term Pacers mean Lance is safe regardless of what happens at his court date?
        I always thought he was safe with Clark and hibbert both here to help him be a better person, unless he got jailtime

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          Re: Pacers.com: Positive vibe emanating from camp this year (story and video)

          Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
          Do Obie's comments about these guys being long term Pacers mean Lance is safe regardless of what happens at his court date?
          I noticed that, too. It's kind of strange to hear him say that, but then again this is the coach, not Bird, so maybe he wasn't considering the PR as much as Larry would.

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            Re: Pacers.com: Positive vibe emanating from camp this year (story and video)

            Originally posted by ThA HoyA View Post
            I always thought he was safe, unless he got jailtime
            That's probably the truth, but if the allegations are proven to be what happened, he probably IS going to jail.

            Almost makes me hope they know something we don't.

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              Re: Pacers.com: Positive vibe emanating from camp this year (story and video)

              Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
              Do Obie's comments about these guys being long term Pacers mean Lance is safe regardless of what happens at his court date?
              O'Brien is probably speaking strictly from a basketball perspective. I'd find it hard to believe that a worst-case scenario outcome for Lance legally wouldn't change that projection.

              It's possible that the O'Brien and the Pacers are not expecting jail time, etc, but it's more likely that Obie wasn't even considering it when talking about him.

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                Re: Pacers.com: Positive vibe emanating from camp this year (story and video)

                Originally posted by Hicks View Post
                That's probably the truth, but if the allegations are proven to be what happened, he probably IS going to jail.

                Almost makes me hope they know something we don't.
                I think the allegations are probably close to the truth, but I think that there is probably very little chance that he will go to jail.

                Not that I'm happy about that conclusion, but it's how I think it will play out.

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                  Re: Pacers.com: Positive vibe emanating from camp this year (story and video)

                  Let's say Lance is convicted, but no jail time. Probation, fine, community service, whatever.

                  Is he still a Pacer?


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                    Re: Pacers.com: Positive vibe emanating from camp this year (story and video)

                    Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
                    Let's say Lance is convicted, but no jail time. Probation, fine, community service, whatever.

                    Is he still a Pacer?
                    Yes after a suspension because they would have a few months head start on "him growing up and changing"

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                      Re: Pacers.com: Positive vibe emanating from camp this year (story and video)

                      Probably.

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                        Re: Pacers.com: Positive vibe emanating from camp this year (story and video)

                        You're gonna keep a guy on the team if he's convicted of banging his girlfriend's head against the bottom stair? That's gonna be a bitter pill to swallow for a lot of the fan base.

                        A conviction would blow the story up again, any time showing him as a "changed" person will be lost.

                        I don't know if he will be convicted, but if he is, I think you have to cut him.


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                          Re: Pacers.com: Positive vibe emanating from camp this year (story and video)

                          Just because he gets convicted... Doesn't mean all the reports are true... If the slamming of the GF head is true I really doubt he would in camp, it would too much of a risk to try and overcome that PR wise.

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                            Re: Pacers.com: Positive vibe emanating from camp this year (story and video)

                            I have to agree with Obie and say that this rookie class will change the direction that the franchise is headed, and I think into a good direction.

                            "I've got an idea--an idea so smart that my head would explode if I even began to know what I'm talking about." - Peter Griffin

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                              Re: Pacers.com: Positive vibe emanating from camp this year (story and video)

                              Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
                              You're gonna keep a guy on the team if he's convicted of banging his girlfriend's head against the bottom stair? That's gonna be a bitter pill to swallow for a lot of the fan base.

                              A conviction would blow the story up again, any time showing him as a "changed" person will be lost.

                              I don't know if he will be convicted, but if he is, I think you have to cut him.
                              I disagree

                              If a "family member" has an issue, you don't cast him off, you work with them, see if there repentive and hopefully you have a maturing , appreciated child. If that child has the same issue again , then things are looked at differently

                              I am not saying this about anyone on the board, but there are a lot of people in this world (that wont admit it) that love to judge and point the finger because it makes them feel less guilty about the mistakes they have made in their own life

                              I personally dont think the Lance situation was as bad as many are believed to have thought (no need to drag up the reasons why I feel that way)

                              I really hope that Lance matures, he reconciles with the mother of his children, and goes on to hava successful life both on and off the court
                              Sittin on top of the world!

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