The Rules of Pacers Digest

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Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.

Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

Rule #2

If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

An example:

If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:
Title of the Article
Author's Name
Indianapolis Star

Rule #6

We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.

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Rule #7

Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

Rule #8

We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

Rule #9

Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.

Rule #10

We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.

Rule #11

Do not advertise anything without talking about it with the administrators first. This includes advertising with your signature, with your avatar, through private messaging, and/or by making a thread or post.
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  • #91
    Re: nba 2k11

    Originally posted by Kstat View Post
    The new 2K11 vids looked nice, though. Graphics are essentially identical to 2K10, but I didn't have an issue with 2K10's graphics.
    The TV Presentation is excellent. I still feel like the player models need a drastic overall. The uniforms are WAY too baggy and cause collision problems from time to time, the numbers on the jerseys are WAY too big, and the names on the back are far too small.


    • #92
      Re: nba 2k11

      Originally posted by SYDNEY MILLER AUSTRALIA31 View Post

      this looks awesome i was wondering since watching this clip if there would be the pacers team that took the bulls to 7 games in the praying and hoping miss using Reggie. if anyone knows that would be awesome. thanks
      i wish but they didn't give any love to the pacers and that makes me a little sad our rivalry was better than some of the others and Reggie would be a fun match up to play against if u are playing as Jordon those match ups were epic


      • #93
        Re: nba 2k11

        I hope the gameplay is more like 2k9 than it was 2k10. 2k10 feels very robotic at times, where 2k9 was a lot smoother.

        I also didn't like how the little contact affects a player and the shot so much. I think they fixed it some with some updates, but I hope that 2k11 has a better flow to the gameplay


        • #94
          Re: nba 2k11

          Originally posted by pwee31 View Post
          I hope the gameplay is more like 2k9 than it was 2k10. 2k10 feels very robotic at times, where 2k9 was a lot smoother.

          I also didn't like how the little contact affects a player and the shot so much. I think they fixed it some with some updates, but I hope that 2k11 has a better flow to the gameplay
          ya watch the video with melo and his take to the whole this shows pretty good physical contact and 2k9 i didn't like there was a lot of bad game play i like (2k8 better) 2k10 was better but 11 will be polished and a good bball sim


          • #95
            Re: nba 2k11

            Jordan Challenge Revealed for NBA 2K11
            The first of many appearances by basketball's all-time greatest. First screens included.
            US, July 22, 2010
            by Nate Ahearn
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            The question that echoed in many people's minds when 2K Sports originally announced that Michael Jordan would be on the cover of NBA 2K11 was, "How is he going to be used in-game?" Being that he's been retired for many years now, it was a reasonable question. Well, today 2K Sports announced the first of many Jordan appearances in 2K11 and, perhaps unsurprisingly, it's in a mode called The Jordan Challenge.

            As I'm sure many have predicted before, NBA 2K11's Jordan Challenge mode contains ten of his greatest performances and it's up to you to recreate his in-game achievements. Check below for the full list of games and the multiple goals you'll have to complete in order to finish the mode.

            The Arrival
            When: April 20, 1986. Game 2, 1st round playoffs vs. Celtics
            Goal 1: Score 63+ points
            Goal 2: Shoot 50%+ from the field
            Summary: Jordan made his mark with this 63 point playoff game against a heavily favored Celtics team.

            69 Points
            When: March 28, 1990. Regular season game vs. Cavs
            Goal 1: Score 69+ points
            Goal 2: Shoot 50%+ from the field
            Goal 3: Win the game
            Summary: This time Jordan gets the win by dropping 69 points and putting a dent in the Cavaliers' playoff plans.

            When: Any date in 1990. Regular season game vs. Hawks
            Goal 1: Outscore Dominique
            Goal 2: Hold Dominique under 25 Points
            Goal 3: Win the game
            Summary: Jordan and Dominique Wilkins face off in some of the all-time greatest scoring performances of the era.

            Bad Boys
            When: May 26, 1990. Game 3, Eastern Conference Finals vs. Pistons
            Goal 1: Score 47+ points
            Goal 2: Win the game
            Summary: Jordan showed the Pistons and the world that no defensive strategy could stop him for long.

            1991 NBA Finals
            When: June 2 thru June 12, 1991 vs. Lakers
            Goal 1: Average 31.0+ points
            Goal 2: Shoot 55%+ from the field
            Goal 3: Win the series
            Summary: Jordan silenced the doubters by coming back from a game one embarrassment to thrash the Lakers in these Finals.

            The Shrug
            When: June 3, 1992. Game 1, 1st round playoffs vs. Blazers
            Goal 1: Score 35+ points in the first half
            Goal 2: Make 6+ threes in the first half
            make 6+ threes in the 1st half
            Goal 2: Hold Drexler to under 20 points
            Goal 3: Win the Game
            Summary: Just to prove a point, Jordan sets the tone for the series by dominating the first half of this first Finals game.

            Double Nickel
            When: March 18, 1995. Regular season game vs. Knicks
            Goal 1: Score 55+ points
            Goal 2: Shoot 55%+ from the field
            Goal 3: Win the game
            Summary: After a stint with the bat, Jordan returns to New York to tear up the Knicks for 55 points and an unforgettable pass.

            Father's Day Victory
            When: June 16, 1996. Game 6, 1996 Finals (last game of series as Bulls won 4-2) vs. Sonics
            Goal 1: Score 22+ points
            Goal 2: Grab 9+ rebounds
            Goal 3: Win the game
            Summary: Michael ran the table over the entire league but this fourth title would prove to be just as special as his first.

            The Flu Game
            When: June 11, 1997. Game 6, 1997 Finals (not the last game of the series as it went to 7) vs. Jazz
            Goal 1: Score 38+ points
            Goal 2: Grab 7+ rebounds
            Goal 3: Win the game
            Summary: A very ill Jordan still manages to both dominate the game and hit the winning shot in the last seconds of the game.

            Michael's Last Dance
            When: June 14, 1998. Game 6, 1998 Finals vs. Jazz
            Goal 1: Score 45+ points
            Goal 2: Get 4+ steals
            Goal 3: Win the game
            Summary: With one final resounding shot, Jordan seals both his legacy and the fate of the Jazz's championship hopes.

            NBA 2K11 is scheduled to launch on October 5 for Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3. Check back next week for our first hands-on preview with the game.


            • #96
              Re: nba 2k11


              no pacers anywhere ,hopefully they bring jordan back for 2k12 and they are inserted


              • #97
                Re: nba 2k11

                Originally posted by SYDNEY MILLER AUSTRALIA31 View Post

                no pacers anywhere ,hopefully they bring jordan back for 2k12 and they are inserted
                that doesn't surprise me. Jordan never dominated the Pacers.
                First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.


                • #98
                  Re: nba 2k11

                  Originally posted by Sparhawk View Post
                  that doesn't surprise me. Jordan never dominated the Pacers.
                  Honestly, that's probably why they're not in the game. I've been pushing for the Pacers, since they announced classic teams.


                  Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?


                  • #99
                    Re: nba 2k11

                    I saw some video of NBA Elite 11 on pastapadre the other day. My God, that game looks just as sloppy and unpolished as NBA Live did. It's as if EA isn't trying anymore. Even the folks at PP didn't care for the look of it too much.

                    I think 2K is going to be in a class by itself come October.


                    • Re: nba 2k11

                      Elite 11 being bad does not make 2K11 good. I learned that last year, along with a lot of other people.

                      I have some hope for 2K, though. Maybe last year was just a setback.

                      It also doesn't help that they put their NHL guys on an NBA product. I think their new control scheme idea is a really good one, but obviously there are severe flaws in the gameplay itself.
                      Last edited by Kstat; 09-07-2010, 04:53 PM.

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                          I'm encouraged once again by what 2K is saying, though I have to ask... what the hell kind of a basketball set or play is designated a "floppy"? I've never come across that expression before.


                          • Re: nba 2k11

                            Originally posted by Hicks View Post
                            I'm encouraged once again by what 2K is saying, though I have to ask... what the hell kind of a basketball set or play is designated a "floppy"? I've never come across that expression before.
                            dont know what they mean , but the more i read about this game the more im getting pumped up to play it. hopefully the game is as good as it sounds. either way im looking forward to this maybe more than the real thing to start


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                                This is going to sound very nitpicky, but I wish they'd fix the jerseys. They've been screwed up for years.

                                I can't help it. I'm a very detailed person. This kinda stuff bugs me just as much as gameplay flaws.