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Yahoo reports a done deal!! We turned Troy Murphy into Darren Collison and Posey!!

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  • Re: Yahoo reports a done deal!! We turned Troy Murphy into Darren Collison and Posey!!

    Originally posted by TheDoddage View Post
    When is Price slotted to come back? Depending on that, I think we should keep Ford around to back Collison up. That is, if we can't find a trade that would benefit the team. It's an idea worth considering since 1) Ford is a pretty good PG off the bench, and 2) it would raise Ford's value from simply an expiring to an expiring that has on-the-court value.
    From everything I have heard and read over the past two days, the Pacers are expecting price to be ready for training camp. I heard Morway and Bird both suggest that price is way ahead of schedule. of course there could always be a set-back training camp is 6.5 weeks away, coming on quickly

    But the fact they offered Ford a buyout tells me they want him gone and not anywhere near the team. So even if he isn't traded, i would be shocked to see him get any playing time. Pacers have evidently decided that just having him around will do more harm to the pacers team than it will do good
    Last edited by Unclebuck; 08-13-2010, 11:14 AM.

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    • Re: Yahoo reports a done deal!! We turned Troy Murphy into Darren Collison and Posey!!

      I keep reading this thread and the positive reaction to this thread with all the enthusiasm. It's even getting to me. I never had a problem about the trade, I just kept expecting to hear the trade fell apart at the last moment or it was just another rumor. After 2 days, I can now let reality set in that the trade is for real. I'll have to wait until I see how Collison works out b4 I'm ready to anoit this as the trade of the decade for the Pacers, BUT on the surface it does look really good.

      The draft and this trade gives me hope for the future. AND yes, Bird pulled both off for which a tip of the hat is given freely by me. I'm just wondering if some of these young'ns are going to get much PT this year. No doubt Collison will. I just can't get optimistic about Hanbrough for this year. I'm hoping his recovery has been really down played this off season, and he'll be ready to put the pedal down when playing to solidifying the PF position.

      I'm going to take Bird for his word this isn't the roster going into the season. I really really want Ford traded. I don't care for what as long as it isn't a problem player or a terrible contract. Even if it's not something that can be used, as long as it can be easily traded.

      This team has given me more hope than anytime in the last few years. With what's happened so far, it is quite OBVIOUS that TPTB goal is making the playoffs more than ever.

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      • Re: Yahoo reports a done deal!! We turned Troy Murphy into Darren Collison and Posey!!

        Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
        There is a significant difference between the Tinsley situation and what we have with Ford.

        Ford is on the last year of his contract, so he has much higher trade value than Tinsley did. Plus Ford doesn't have the off the court baggage that JT had.

        So I think we should not buy Ford out (not that I would be upset if they did) and look to trade him sometime between now and the trade deadline in February.

        The hard question and decision is what do to with him if they cannot trade him. As I mentioned it seems rather clear the Pacers don't want him on the roster. Not sure if they should do what they did to Jamaal, tell him to just stay away, but I don't want or expect him to get any playing time.
        I think the Collison trade makes it more likely that a Ford trade can now get done.

        Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't most of the trade rumors involving Ford aimed at getting another point guard in return?

        If that was the case, the situation has now changed entirely. Now, instead of negotiating with the Bobcats for Augustin or Felton (just as an example), the negotiations could center on Ford for Dampier (again, just an example).

        To me, the Collison trade changes the dynamics of any possible Ford trade.

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        • Re: Yahoo reports a done deal!! We turned Troy Murphy into Darren Collison and Posey!!

          Originally posted by xtacy View Post
          words can't express how happy and excited i'm.

          am i dreaming? is this an inception?
          Do you have a totem?
          {o,o}
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          • Re: Yahoo reports a done deal!! We turned Troy Murphy into Darren Collison and Posey!!

            It's been two days and I'm still smiling over this.
            “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” - Winston Churchill

            “If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to serve as a horrible warning.” - Catherine Aird

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            • Re: Yahoo reports a done deal!! We turned Troy Murphy into Darren Collison and Posey!!

              Question....

              Out of all the PG's that came out of last years draft where would you rank him as far as....

              How good he is now...

              and

              How much potential he has...

              Just a quick look at the PG's selected in last years draft...

              Evans, Curry, Price, Jennings, Rubio, Flynn, Teague, Lawson, Holliday, Maynor, Beaubois, Douglass.....

              Just Curious...
              Why so SERIOUS

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              • Re: Yahoo reports a done deal!! We turned Troy Murphy into Darren Collison and Posey!!

                Originally posted by Really? View Post
                Question....

                Out of all the PG's that came out of last years draft where would you rank him as far as....

                How good he is now...

                and

                How much potential he has...

                Just a quick look at the PG's selected in last years draft...

                Evans, Curry, Price, Jennings, Rubio, Flynn, Teague, Lawson, Holliday, Maynor, Beaubois, Douglass.....

                Just Curious...
                Kind of in order, but not completely. And not to say any of these players are bad, especially the bottom tier players. I just was the least impressed with them.

                Top Tier:
                Evans
                Curry
                Jennings

                Middle Tier:
                Collison
                Rubio (Won't put him in top or bottom due to no NBA experience as of yet)
                Holiday
                Flynn
                Lawson
                Teague

                Bottom Tier:
                Beaubois (Never really watched him play. Maybe better than I think)
                Maynor
                Douglass
                Stop quoting people I have on ignore!

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                • Re: Yahoo reports a done deal!! We turned Troy Murphy into Darren Collison and Posey!!

                  Originally posted by Really? View Post
                  Question....

                  Out of all the PG's that came out of last years draft where would you rank him as far as....

                  How good he is now...

                  and

                  How much potential he has...

                  Just a quick look at the PG's selected in last years draft...

                  Evans, Curry, Price, Jennings, Rubio, Flynn, Teague, Lawson, Holliday, Maynor, Beaubois, Douglass.....
                  IMO Evans, Beaubois and Douglas aren't really PGs. Beaubois maybe, but the other two are guys that can take up minutes at the position but are better suited at the 2.

                  Curry's clearly the cream of the crop in last year's PG list. Rubio....I have to see him in the league before I rank him. Flynn, despite having decent numbers, was viewed as a bit of a disappointment. I don't think he has as much upside as Collison. Teague is a scoring point, maybe a small two, that didn't do much last year. Lawson has potential, but he's short, so that may limit his overall effectiveness.

                  I'd say weighing both the player today and their potential:
                  Curry
                  Jennings (If his shot continues to improve)
                  Collison
                  Holiday (might end up being a better player than Collison, but isn't yet)
                  Lawson
                  Flynn
                  Maynor (Though I want to put him ahead of Flynn)
                  Price
                  Teague

                  I don't know why....but I'm not a big fan of Teague's PG skills. If Beaubois is on the list....he's probably in the Collison Holiday tier.

                  EDIT: And really, one season's not enough to grade any of these guys.
                  Last edited by Ozwalt72; 08-13-2010, 05:00 PM.
                  "man, PG has been really good."

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                  • Re: Yahoo reports a done deal!! We turned Troy Murphy into Darren Collison and Posey!!

                    Originally posted by Really? View Post
                    Question....

                    Out of all the PG's that came out of last years draft where would you rank him as far as....

                    How good he is now...

                    and

                    How much potential he has...

                    Just a quick look at the PG's selected in last years draft...

                    Evans, Curry, Price, Jennings, Rubio, Flynn, Teague, Lawson, Holliday, Maynor, Beaubois, Douglass.....

                    Just Curious...

                    I said before..I think a majority of the PGs..*the ones I've seen not named Evans, Curry (both of whom who I would debate are actual PGs)*

                    Basically..Price, Flynn, Lawson, Holliday, Collison, Maynor..are about equal. To me they all have the same "at worst" (bench player) and potential (good starter) attatched to them.

                    That said, I think they are all very different PGs, and who people prefer will obviously depend on what kind of PGs they like. As all have different "best" qualities and "worst" qualities. And that also means that those PGs are probably going to have to get into the right position (coach wise).

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                    • Re: Yahoo reports a done deal!! We turned Troy Murphy into Darren Collison and Posey!!

                      Originally posted by Really? View Post
                      Question....

                      Out of all the PG's that came out of last years draft where would you rank him as far as....

                      How good he is now...

                      and

                      How much potential he has...

                      Just a quick look at the PG's selected in last years draft...

                      Evans, Curry, Price, Jennings, Rubio, Flynn, Teague, Lawson, Holliday, Maynor, Beaubois, Douglass.....

                      Just Curious...
                      Thats a good question.

                      You can't really answer the question really cause every player is in a different situation then the other when it comes to how good their respected teams are.

                      Evans won rookie of the year and looked very promising but, his team wasn't very good either so was it easier for him to put up his number because of that? I didn't get to watch much of tyreke since the kings games aren't televised nationaly. on the other hand averaging 20 and 5 is no small feet your rookie year. Many put him as the best in the class so that puts him over all other pgs but, only time will tell what he will accomplish.

                      With Curry it looks like the nba hasn't effected his willingness to shoot and be a great shooter at that. All in all if you can put up a high shooting percentage their is a place for you in the nba ranging from miller to steve kerr. He has all the right things. He has great court vision and knows where everybody is. He has a high basketball IQ and didn't make rookie mistakes. He showed he doesn't get flusterd in late game situations. He also hit a game winning 3pointer against someone last year so he can most def hit game winners. Maybe another reggie in terms of big shot 3s for the win? He could be the best out of this class since tyreke has off court issues. He is better all around and I would actually put him above tyreke and the best pg in the class.

                      Jennings put up 15.5 and 5.7 a game but, had a way better team all around then the kings or warriors. He looks just as good as curry and also could be the best pg out of this class if he continues on the right path and wants to get better. I know he wants to get better cause what rookie doesn't but wanting to and doing are two totally different things.

                      Now to Collison but, first I want to look at each players stats. stats aren't the final say since each player is on a different team in different situations but, lets looks anyway.

                      evans 20.1 n 5.8 with 37mpg
                      curry 17.5 n 5.9 with 36.2mpg
                      jennings 15.5 n 5.7 with 32.6mpg
                      collison 12.4 n 5.7 27.8 mpg

                      Collison's are sort of out of wake considering he started 37games with no cp3 then backed up paul most of the game. I'm pretty sure his average when paul was healthy was 4.9apg (don't hold me to that). He did for sure however average 9.1apg starting and with no paul. So I'd like to know how much time he played when starting and when backing up paul but, i dont got those stats. If what we saw from him starting is a glance into the future then his looks as bright as evans or curry. I'm guessing when paul was out he averaged around 32 or 33 mpg atleast. Could he of kept that up all year and not jus 37 games idk. He also has 2 very good post players in west n okafor that he can dish to when driving. Hibbert is not as good as okafor yet and west is better then ne pf we have. On the upside Hibbert is getting better and this year should be exciting for him.

                      Its funny thought this trade happened acouple days ago but, during random parts of the days it'll pop into my head and i still am shocked we got him considering how good he is. thank you chris paul! lets all take a moment of silence and thank chris paul. may the talents that have made him the best pg in the league follow collison to indy, Amen

                      another funny thing is we should of drafted him last year. i mean look at all those guards. hopefully that was bird's last bad draft of many bad drafts.

                      I left off all the other pgs cause i was jus tryin to focus on the ones who have the biggest upside and potential. they will all be good nba players and will be in the league for quite awhile. Rubio, is he going to come here or what they deal? Is he supposed to be here the year after this at the latest? more pg trades in the future for the wolves.
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                      • Re: Yahoo reports a done deal!! We turned Troy Murphy into Darren Collison and Posey!!

                        I'm still in shock. I keep reading all the threads and websites over again. We got Darren Collison for Troy Murphy!

                        Simply Amazing

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                        • Re: Yahoo reports a done deal!! We turned Troy Murphy into Darren Collison and Posey!!

                          Originally posted by pwee31 View Post
                          I'm still in shock. I keep reading all the threads and websites over again. We got Darren Collison for Troy Murphy!

                          Simply Amazing
                          Not bad for the "worst GM in the league" is it?

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                          • Re: Yahoo reports a done deal!! We turned Troy Murphy into Darren Collison and Posey!!

                            3 days later...

                            I just wanted to say (again) that I'm (still) freaking pumped about our new Pacers team and can't wait for the season (and the beginning of a new era of Pacers basketball - YES, you heard that right) to begin!!!

                            I love (have always - and will always) my Indiana Pacers, through thick & thin!


                            ...sorry, I'm running through emotional times at the moment...

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                            • Re: Yahoo reports a done deal!! We turned Troy Murphy into Darren Collison and Posey!!

                              I don't know why, but I want to share my thoughts about this great story, because it is the best thing which happened during my short Pacersfan-career! I watch them since the end of the 07/08 Season and read a lot here on PD!

                              I was on vacation, when I read that Darren Collison is the new PG of the Pacers, and I went crazy!!! My friends aren't into Basketball, but I had to tell them, that this trade is like Christmas when you are a Pacers fan!

                              In the afternoon, still shocked and hyped, I watched out of the window...and I saw a bizzare figure running trough the night...lightning fast!
                              After a few seconds I could figure out who it was...

                              It was Larry Bird running and laughing out loud!!! He ran away, cause he got this deal done!!! He joked every other team into a 4-team-trade and just had to give up freaking Muprhy for Darren Collison, the PG of my dreams for the Pacers...the PG I just got on NBA2k10 in unrealistic trade scenarios...muhaha!

                              It was definitley a nice feeling the whole day!!!
                              Props to Larry Bird, I knew he knows what he does!

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                              • Re: Yahoo reports a done deal!! We turned Troy Murphy into Darren Collison and Posey!!

                                I just still can't believe that we managed to turn Troy Murphy into Darren Collison half a week later. Now let's see if Larry can commit another act of grand larceny before the season starts!
                                "Nobody wants to play against Tyler Hansbrough NO BODY!" ~ Frank Vogel

                                "And David put his hand in the bag and took out a stone and slung it. And it struck the Philistine on the head and he fell to the ground. Amen. "

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