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WHAT THE PACERS SHOULD DO THIS YEAR

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  • #31
    Re: WHAT THE PACERS SHOULD DO THIS YEAR

    I think the coaches and front office should decide the line-up, based on which players perform best during practices.

    I think the Pacers ought to try to win every game -- especially the ones I will attend.
    And I won't be here to see the day
    It all dries up and blows away
    I'd hang around just to see
    But they never had much use for me
    In Levelland. (James McMurtry)

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    • #32
      Re: WHAT THE PACERS SHOULD DO THIS YEAR

      Originally posted by Putnam View Post
      I think the coaches and front office should decide the line-up, based on which players perform best during practices.

      I think the Pacers ought to try to win every game -- especially the ones I will attend.
      I agree.
      Go Pacers!

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      • #33
        Re: WHAT THE PACERS SHOULD DO THIS YEAR

        Originally posted by Jayday00 View Post
        Start Lance at PG
        Start Paul at SG
        DANNY at SF
        Murphy at PF
        Hibbert at C

        -snip-
        It'll get us in THE LOTTERY, where there's a few kids that could be STAR point guards in the future!
        That's true. That lineup is so bad - especially the mismatches we'll see in the backcourt - that we'll be last in the league in defense, near the bottom on offense, that's definitely a "we're tanking" lineup.

        While I'm certainly not a fan of our veteran players, a starting backcourt of Lance and Paul will definitely put us in the lottery with serious contention for the #1 pick. Then it becomes a difficult choice -- draft a PG with #1 or draft a SG with #1?

        I'm all-for having a regular spot in the rotation for Lance and Paul - preferably at positions they've played before. Lance at 6'5" "could" convert to PG at some point. But George at 6'9" converting to SG? Let's not ruin them, let's develop them.
        Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
        Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
        Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
        Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
        And life itself, rushing over me
        Life itself, the wind in black elms,
        Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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        • #34
          Re: WHAT THE PACERS SHOULD DO THIS YEAR

          Originally posted by Putnam View Post
          I think the coaches and front office should decide the line-up, based on which players perform best during practices.
          I don't agree that it should be based on practice performaces. I think it should be based on developing the players that are part of the long-term plans. Once training camp ends, they probably have less than 20 practices (not counting shootarounds) the rest of the season. For this young team, this season's games count as practices.

          I think the Pacers ought to try to win every game -- especially the ones I will attend.
          Agree. The players on the court should always be playing to win.
          Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
          Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
          Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
          Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
          And life itself, rushing over me
          Life itself, the wind in black elms,
          Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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          • #35
            Re: WHAT THE PACERS SHOULD DO THIS YEAR

            They should tell their players to play up to their potential which means danny will be mvp, troy will go off for 25 and 15, roy and rush will be all-stars, lance will ROY and george will be the rudy gay/joe johnson combo but better. Hansbrough will bully every opponent out of the game and we finish with an 82-0 record, while during the all-star break we trade away tj to the twolves for their 1st round pick with which will win the lottery!
            Trying to enjoy every Pacers game as if it is the last!

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            • #36
              Re: WHAT THE PACERS SHOULD DO THIS YEAR

              I think the pacers should just PLAY TO WIN THE GAME (in my Herman Edwards voice) from the beginning of the season to the end!
              Larry Bird and Ryan Grigson- wasting the talents of Paul George and Andrew Luck

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              • #37
                Re: WHAT THE PACERS SHOULD DO THIS YEAR

                Originally posted by McKeyFan View Post
                You gave up on Tyler?
                No but I think that he will be a high energy player that sometimes comes in with the second team and that is only if he can deal with his ear issue...I would still consider this a rookie year for him seeing that he didn't get much playing time this year... as far as young talent and developing him he just needs to have Controlled energy...he tends to be alllllll over the place with his play... I don't think that will work in the NBA with him...if he were longer and taller like varejo, Noah possibly...
                Why so SERIOUS

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                • #38
                  Re: WHAT THE PACERS SHOULD DO THIS YEAR

                  Originally posted by ChicagoJ View Post
                  But George at 6'9" converting to SG? Let's not ruin them, let's develop them.
                  Either he can guard 2's as well as the average SG can or he cannot. There's no real conversion offensively.

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                  • #39
                    Re: WHAT THE PACERS SHOULD DO THIS YEAR

                    Nonsense. That depends on the system.

                    PG/ 2 wings/ 2 posts - maybe no conversion offensively. But the wings are not always interchangeable.

                    Four-out? There's potentially a major conversion because of the amount of ball handling that both guards might be required to do. But the forwards are interchangeable. When I look at both Paul and Danny, I really don't see either as a SF or PF. But they're both "forwards." Even though Danny has had a lot of success playing PF, we don't like his body to take as much of a beating. Which is why this team really needs to commit to a four-out. And if the opposing team really has a bruising PF, then we've got Tyler, McBob, and perhaps Magnum.

                    Under a four-out, I'm less worried about whether Lance can convert to "PG" assuming he proves he belongs on the court of actual NBA games as well as he did in summer league (no small task, of course.)

                    I can't believe people haven't figured this out yet... Paul is our new "stretch" forward for when Murphy goes away after this season. We're more likely to have a Granger-Paul front court with two guards and Hibbert than Granger-Paul playing the wings with a PG, Hibbert and PF.

                    I don't expect Price-Lance-Granger-George-Hibbert to be the starting lineup down the road (I still think Rush and perhaps Tyler will be the starters, and hopefully we eventually upgrade at PG and/or get a better PF than Tyler), but I can see that lineup on the court quite a bit... assuming the young guys eventually reach their potential. Even ignoring Tyler, I still think I'd like Price-Rush-Granger-George-Hibbert better with the idea that Lance is a complete change of pace from Rush.

                    But these aren't low-ceiling/ high-floor players. There's still a strong chance we'll get to see how low their floors are. Something we haven't had to worry about since Shawne Williams and Fred Jones.
                    Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
                    Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
                    Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
                    Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
                    And life itself, rushing over me
                    Life itself, the wind in black elms,
                    Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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                    • #40
                      Re: WHAT THE PACERS SHOULD DO THIS YEAR

                      Am I missing something but I can't see why George can't be a 2. He weighs about 215 so he isn't a 4, has been projected as a 2 or 3 and some say he is the next McGrady.

                      Is he too tall at 6'9"? Too slow to defend other SG?

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                      • #41
                        Re: WHAT THE PACERS SHOULD DO THIS YEAR

                        He's too slow in my estimation, but I haven't seen enough of him to make a definite conclusion.

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                        • #42
                          Re: WHAT THE PACERS SHOULD DO THIS YEAR

                          Originally posted by speakout4 View Post
                          Is he too tall at 6'9"?
                          Absolutely. Which plays into...

                          Too slow to defend other SG?
                          He's going to need to score like Durrant in order to "win" his position. Because a guy that long guarding players 3-5 inches shorter is going to have to sag way off (giving up jumpers) or he'll get burned laterally. He's working with a lot of disadvantages defensively.

                          He's probably best suited to be a "3". But ideally, in a system where the "3" and "4" are interchangeable. Same as Danny, same as Dunleavy. None of them are really "4's", but they'll have a better chance to be successful as a "4" than as a "2".

                          As for only weighing 215 as a 19 year old. I'm sure that will change. He doesn't need to bulk up to 235 or anything crazy like that. But as he matures and his body/ trunk/ midsection fill out, he'll be closer to 225.

                          To play guard at 6'9", you need to be in the Magic Johnson/ Durrant out-of-this-world level of good, especially on offense. Not just good.
                          Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
                          Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
                          Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
                          Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
                          And life itself, rushing over me
                          Life itself, the wind in black elms,
                          Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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                          • #43
                            Re: WHAT THE PACERS SHOULD DO THIS YEAR

                            Originally posted by ChicagoJ View Post
                            Absolutely. Which plays into...



                            He's going to need to score like Durrant in order to "win" his position. Because a guy that long guarding players 3-5 inches shorter is going to have to sag way off (giving up jumpers) or he'll get burned laterally. He's working with a lot of disadvantages defensively.

                            He's probably best suited to be a "3". But ideally, in a system where the "3" and "4" are interchangeable. Same as Danny, same as Dunleavy. None of them are really "4's", but they'll have a better chance to be successful as a "4" than as a "2".

                            As for only weighing 215 as a 19 year old. I'm sure that will change. He doesn't need to bulk up to 235 or anything crazy like that. But as he matures and his body/ trunk/ midsection fill out, he'll be closer to 225.

                            To play guard at 6'9", you need to be in the Magic Johnson/ Durrant out-of-this-world level of good, especially on offense. Not just good.

                            I completely disagree. Someone who is a good defender and willing to put in the effort can just as easily guard someone who is 6' as someone who is 6'9 (assuming they have the height to guard someone 6'9). Yes, it might take a little time for him to get used to guarding SGs, but as long as he is willing to put in the effort his height shouldn't matter. 95% of being a good wing defender is technique and effort.

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                            • #44
                              Re: WHAT THE PACERS SHOULD DO THIS YEAR

                              Oh, I'm sure he can defend the wing against guys his size and speed. Those are called "forwards." If you're asking a big guy to defend a quicker player on the wing, then 95% is not technique and effort. You've seriously underestimating lateral foot speed.

                              Or do you think Dunleavy's technique and effort are bad? I sure don't. He's a fine team defender. And an average individual defender against guys his own size. And way below average against the smaller, quicker guys. I'm sure George is quicker than Mike. He's probably only somewhat below average against the smaller, quicker guys. If he's putting up 28/ game or averaging nearly a triple-double, we'll cut him some slack on defense. (Come to think of it, we won't. Danny sure gets lambasted for his defense around here...) Because he'll be giving up 27/ game.
                              Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
                              Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
                              Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
                              Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
                              And life itself, rushing over me
                              Life itself, the wind in black elms,
                              Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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                              • #45
                                Re: WHAT THE PACERS SHOULD DO THIS YEAR

                                I've only seen George once in college and in the Summer League, but it seems to me he has enough quickness to check on NBA wings (2s and 3s alike).

                                Height per se is not a disadvantage, some of the best wing defenders in the league were as tall as or taller than George - Bobby Jones in the 80s, guys like Tayshaun Prince in his good days or Kirilenko. And LeBron James is possibly the best perimeter defender in the league these days, even when guarding PGs. George's height will allow him to give 1 or 2 steps to his man while still be in position to contest the shot.

                                Not sure if he has enough fastness+agility to defend well off-the-ball those guys who run around a lot like Ray Allen or Rip Hamilton, probably that type of player will give him trouble, but once he learns some fundamentals and gains reputation I'm expecting him to be a plus on-the-ball defender, even when guarding the quickest players around.

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